re: kidnapped Israeli soldier - who on earth enlisted this boy?
He looks like a pre-teen Bill Gates. His "kidnappers" must have taken him out of pity. The 19yr old doesn't look like he can defend himself, let alone someone else. Who on earth enlisted this guy in the IDF? He should have gone to summer camp, not boot camp.But now that he's gotten himself taken prisoner, which is to be expected as a soldier, Israel is crying bloody foul and plans on raising Gaza to secure his return rather than release Palestinian women and children held prisoner in Israeli jails.
Why can't Israelis just admit they were out-foxed and negotiate to save lives? If they release Palestinian women and children, Gilad can then go home to his family, from whose side he should have never left. BUT, NOOOO. Israel must always come out on top.
A LARGE-SCALE military clash loomed in Gaza last night as Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, rejected demands to negotiate for the release of a captive soldier and his army prepared an operation to free the man.Gaza militants who seized Corporal Gilad Shalit after a raid on Sunday had demanded the release of Palestinian women and children from Israeli jails in return for information about his whereabouts.
Mr Olmert quickly responded: “The question of freeing prisoners is in no way on the Israeli government agenda. There will be no negotiations, no bargaining, no agreements.”
He was speaking as Israel massed tanks on the border and said that the country was prepared to assassinate senior Palestinians, including the leaders of Hamas, the ruling party. An incursion to free the soldier would be by far the largest move into Gaza since the Israeli withdrawal a year ago.
So, Israelis are prepared to assassinate an indefinite number of Palestinian leaders in cold blood in retribution for their taking ONE teenage Israeli soldier prisoner and trying to bargain for the release of Palestinian women and children. Sounds equitable - if you're Israeli. To the rest of us, though, it sounds like an extreme position taken by a government that thinks that its people's lives are worth more than the lives of anyone else.
“I gave the orders to our military commanders to prepare the army for a broad and ongoing military operation to strike the terrorist leaders and all those involved,” Mr Olmert said. “Let it be clear: we will reach everyone, no matter where they are, and they know it. There will be immunity for no one.”
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“We expect Mahmoud Abbas to exert his authority,” Mr Gillerman told The Times. “He has the means and military capability to ensure the soldier’s safe return. Leaders in the region and the world realise this is a watershed. It’s the last chance for President Abbas to show he’s in charge.”
One 19yr old soldier who should have never been in the military to begin with is taken prisoner and his return is "watershed." Meanwhile, the slaughter of 14 Palestinian civilians in less than 2 weeks is "to be expected." Apparently, Palestinians disagree.
“Gaza is surrounded by Israeli troops. Daily in Gaza there are massacres and murders and assassinations, so it is not easy to tell people you have to be be patient and polite. You expect a kind of reaction sometimes,” he told The Times. He also complained of international double standards: ignoring thousands of Palestinian prisoner in Israeli jails but protesting at the capture of one Israeli.Sounds reasonable to me. But according to Israelis, Palestinians must either roll over and play dead or prepare to die.* * *
Ahmed Attiyah, whose house is overlooked by an Israeli watchtower in Kerem Shalom, said that Gaza was so ground down by Israeli air attacks and border closures that it had nothing to lose by hitting back. “We were under Israeli threat any time, from their rockets and from their shelling,” he said. “We had no safety, so why not retaliate?” In a nearby hospital Baha Mehedin said that Palestinians wanted peace but were not prepared to sell their rights. “Hamas did something against soldiers, not citizens and not civilians, so I think everyone supports this,” the 56-year-old English teacher said.
posted by qrswave @ Monday, June 26, 2006
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Thor:
"Genocides don’t just happen. The killers must think they kill in self defense. Which is to say that the victims of an extermination must first be perceived as a mortal danger. For this, a propaganda campaign will be necessary. The propaganda that got between 5 and 6 million Jews exterminated in WWII went by the name Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion. This series documents that this propaganda is once again being energetically spread by the Western mass media, just as it was in the prelude to WWII.
The next Catastrophe looms..."
- http://www.hirhome.com/israel/mprot1.htm
Let's pretend for a second that Israel gives into these tactics and frees the named prisoners in exchange for the return of Gilad Shalit. This sends a message to terrorist everywhere that these tactics are effective. Need a prisoner released, nab an Israeli soldier and they will cave in a second.
So the Israelis are lining up for a military strike instead. The Palestinian leadership has it in their power to call the strike off. Return the prisoner,its that simple.(Assuming, of course, that he hasn't been tortured and murdered already - G-d Forbid) If they choose to push Israel to the wall, Israel must and will defend herself and her people. This is Israel's right and responsibility.
Finally, most Israeli boys want to join the army. Don't assume because this kids looks cute in a photo that the Israeli government wrestled him from his parents and stuck him in a boot camp.
Sara
babyowls.blogspot.com
www.babyowls.com
Ghee, you two are quick , and up late too. I'm impressed with your vigilance, if not by your logic.
Just want to make sure the fella gets his link. :)
But re this article:
Sara has it to a T. Though the thought of not negotiating his release feels like a knife in my stomach it really is not an option. I wonder what Olmert will do though.
ChiefMommy Owl said...
Let's pretend for a second that Israel gives into these tactics and frees the named prisoners in exchange for the return of Gilad Shalit. This sends a message to terrorist everywhere that these tactics are effective. Need a prisoner released, nab an Israeli soldier and they will cave in a second.
So the Israelis are lining up for a military strike instead. The Palestinian leadership has it in their power to call the strike off. Return the prisoner,its that simple.(Assuming, of course, that he hasn't been tortured and murdered already - G-d Forbid) If they choose to push Israel to the wall, Israel must and will defend herself and her people. This is Israel's right and responsibility.
Finally, most Israeli boys want to join the army. Don't assume because this kids looks cute in a photo that the Israeli government wrestled him from his parents and stuck him in a boot camp.
Sara
babyowls.blogspot.com
www.babyowls.com
Mon Jun 26, 11:29:12 PM EDT
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You need to take it from other people's perspective as well. This who incident started with the shelling and murdering of Innocent Palestianian civilian babies, children, and families on a beach, and then further slaughtering.
Sara, the Israeli/Ashenazi/Khazars are NOT known around the world for the kindness, compassion, or intelligence. Rather they are known for their racist policies, ethinic clensing, back-stabbing, destablization, apartheid government and support for other Apartheid government like South Africa in the past, and the MOSSAD assassinations.
When taken into light, the Zionists are the ones pushing the envelope. Who ever has heard of foreigners parading arounding as "Semites", meanwhile the real Semites, by blood, tradition, and heritage are being slaughtered in cold-blood.
Perhaps you Sara, need to look at it in the open light. It's not a close or shut case, and it is definitely not about "helpless, innocent" Israel, versus the rest of the "evil" world which is out after them....
......isreali is not as helpless and innocent as you seem to believe.
Er. Whoever you are...
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You need to take it from other people's perspective as well.
Good call, that way we can all understand where we are coming from. It doesnt mean we have to agree though.
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This who incident started with the shelling and murdering of Innocent Palestianian civilian babies, children, and families on a beach, and then further slaughtering.
Aha. And here we have the obvious problem.
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Sara, the Israeli/Ashenazi/Khazars are NOT known around the world for the kindness, compassion, or intelligence. Rather they are known for their racist policies, ethinic clensing, back-stabbing, destablization, apartheid government and support for other Apartheid government like South Africa in the past, and the MOSSAD assassinations.
And here we go: Israel = racist policies, ethnic clensing, back-stabbing, destablization, apartheid government and support for apartheid, assanations.
There is quite a lot there...
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When taken into light, the Zionists are the ones pushing the envelope. Who ever has heard of foreigners parading arounding as "Semites", meanwhile the real Semites, by blood, tradition, and heritage are being slaughtered in cold-blood.
When you view something from that framework, yes it is the Jews. Unfortunately that framework is not valid. Are you open minded enough to have your claims refuted?
By the way, anti-Semitism in our age means anti-Jewish. Just as "gay" used to mean happy, it now means "homosexual" due to the way it is used. So don't be an ass, you know what people mean by that word.
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Perhaps you Sara, need to look at it in the open light. It's not a close or shut case, and it is definitely not about "helpless, innocent" Israel, versus the rest of the "evil" world which is out after them....
No, it is not an open and shut case, however you are ignorant of the facts. Are you willing and ready to learn history and be shown the reality?
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......isreali is not as helpless and innocent as you seem to believe.
I don't have time for this right now. Just use your head. For a start, read the definition of Apartheid, then the definition of ethinic clensing. That is if you care less about being sure you know what you are talking about.
Follow up by asking the question... how come there are Arab Muslim Israelis who sit on the Supreme Court and in Parliment? So much for Apartheid. Then ask yourself what the population of Arabs were in Israel in the 1800's... then in the early 1940's... then in 1948 prior and after the war... and then the population today. Do these rising population figures reflect your claim of "ethnic clensing"?
You have to do the work - there is a lot of work to do.
Israel never stopped the land theft or targeted killings. The provoke and have been waiting to attack Gaza.
Sharon's unilateral "Disengagement" plan is not ending the occupation of Gaza. The Israelis are not relinquishing control over the Strip.
The 1.4 million inhabitants of Gaza remain prisoners in a giant penal colony, despite what their partisan leaders are attempting to claim. The IDF is merely redeploying outside the Gaza Strip, which is surrounded by electrical and concrete fences, barbed wire, watchtowers, armed guards and motion censors, and it will retain the authority to invade Gaza on a whim.
http://www.counterpunch.org/loewenstein08172005.html
What May Come After the Evacuation of Jewish Settlers from the Gaza Strip
A Warning from Israel
By Uri Davis, Ilan Pappe, and Tamar Yaron
We believe that one primary, unstated motive for the determination of the government of the State of Israel to get the Jewish settlers of the Qatif (Katif) settlement block out of the Gaza Strip may be to keep them out of harm’s way when the Israeli government and military possibly trigger an intensified mass attack on the approximately one and a half million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, of whom about half are 1948 Palestine refugees.
The scenario could be similar to what has already happened in the past - a tactic that Ariel Sharon has used many times in his military career - i.e., utilizing provocation in order to launch massive attacks.
http://sohailchaudhry.blogspot.com/2005_08_21_sohailchaudhry_archive.html
Theft of land?
*sigh*
Another time, perhaps.
The Wanderer said...
Theft of land?
*sigh*
Another time, perhaps.
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*sigh*
"wanderer" you are really a fool. The Ashkenazis invaded Palestine, with the help of the British DECADES before the "official" formation of Yisrael (now referred to as Israel). The Balfour declaration was in the makings in the later 1800s, and documents were publicly circulating in the early 1900s. You really need to educate yourself on the issues.
But, I'm not convinced you don't know better --- rather, you are purposely misleading people. The Ashenazi, parading around as Semites, is a HUGE problem. 1) Firstly, they are claiming to be some other group of people, of whom they don't share genetic, historical, and cultural ties with, 2) Secondly, they are systematically slaughtering and degrading the real Semites, the Palestinians. And for your information, this began YEARS BEFORE 1945, when millions of people were forced from their homes, when tens of thousands of Palestinians were SLAUGHTERED and THOUSANDS of homes burned or destroyed ---- and this happened years before 1945, to prepare for the "new nation of Yisrael".
"wanderer" you had better get your "facts" together, OR you could just tell your local "superior", we the people are NOT STUPID LITTLE CHILDREN who will easily fall folly to your pathetic thought-out lies and deception.
"sigh*
*double-sigh!!*
The Jewish people did not "invade" mandate of Palestine with the "help" of the British. I am aware of the Balfour document, its contents and its creation. I actually have a copy of it upstairs along with a scroll which is the declaration of the State of Israel.
You said:
"You really need to educate yourself on these issues."
Don't think you have it all understood yourself.
You said:
But, I'm not convinced you don't know better --- rather, you are purposely misleading people.".
So there are two options here. According to you I am either 1) A manipulative liar or 2) just don't know better. Do you say that to anyone who disagrees with you?
You said:
"The Ash[K]enazi, parading around as Semites, is a HUGE problem. 1) Firstly, they are claiming to be some other group of people, of whom they don't share genetic, historical, and cultural ties with, 2) Secondly, they are systematically slaughtering and degrading the real Semites, the Palestinians."
I have to admit, you are original. I like it. Unfortunately there is no evidence for what you have stated. In contrast the opposite is closer to the truth - and there is supporting evidence. Palestinians are a people who have been built by the Arab regemes on the image of the Zionist movement, notice how in 1964 the PLO defined the Palestinian home land as the area of Israel, not the "West Bank" and "Gaza Strip". After 1947 the PLO defined the Palestinian home land as the area of Israel, this now included the "West Bank" and "Gaza Strip" which Israel captured in yet another war in which she had to fight of Arab armies intent on a genocide. I then quote:
"Following another surprising Israeli victory in the 1967 war, Israel ended up controlling the Sinai, the Golan Heights, the Gaza Strip, and the West Bank. In November of that year, the UN Security Council passed UN Resolution 242 which called for
"Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict."
This was simply outrageous because earlier that year - despite being victorious after yet another genocidal provocation - Israeli prime minister Levi Eshkol had immediately offered Israel's Arab enemies to take back these territories on condition that they promise never to attack Israel again. The Arabs refused.
You read correctly: that's all the Israelis were asking, and nothing like this -- not even remotely like it -- has ever happened in the history of warfare. Never before has a victorious state, after defending itself against an attack, and winning territory, offered to give it back in exchange for a promise of peace. And that's without mentioning that the attack was an attempted genocide.
But the Arabs refused!
Given this, how could the UN Security Council now demand that Israel return these territories? That was simply absurd, not to mention immoral. The US could have used its veto power in the Security Council to stop this resolution, but didn't."
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You can check those facts if you like.
These same Arabs have also been systematically slaughtering and degrading the Jewish people for years prior to 1948. The grandfather of the Palestinian movement himself, Arafats Mentor, was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem - a Nazi collaborater.
You say:
And for your information, this began YEARS BEFORE 1945, when millions of people were forced from their homes, when tens of thousands of Palestinians were SLAUGHTERED and THOUSANDS of homes burned or destroyed ---- and this happened years before 1945, to prepare for the "new nation of Yisrael"
This happens to be completely false. Perhaps you should look into the Hebron massacre. Anyway - like I said... *sigh!* That means that I really can not be too bothered with you for now.
You said:
"wanderer" you had better get your "facts" together, OR you could just tell your local "superior", we the people are NOT STUPID LITTLE CHILDREN who will easily fall folly to your pathetic thought-out lies and deception.
I am currently writing a detailed article which addresses a few of the comments you have raised. But never mind about that for now: what I am interested in here is your comment about some local "superior". Heh. :)
You do entertainment too? :) Fantastic!
Goodnight Annon.
Typo:
...After 1947 the PLO defined the Palestinian home land as the area of Israel, this now included the "West Bank" and "Gaza Strip" which Israel capt...
- It is supposed to read after "1967".
What you should be able to gather is that the PLO has accidently cottoned onto the truth. Palestine is the area where the Jews live.
In 1948 it was where the Jews had control, and that description has not changed to this day. The fact that Israel's borders have changed only means that the "completely fixed borders of the aincient Palestinian homeland" have also changed!
:)
Tc.
So, Israel plays the same game they have always played. They shell the beach at Gaza, killing innocent people, pretend it didn't happen, then when the Palestinians (so we are told; nobody really knows who carried out this kidnapping) capture an occupying soldier, Israel acts like THIS is the provocation and starts killing everyone and destroying what is left of Gaza.
1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001
2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000
3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.
4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.
7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969
8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.
9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
10. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."
11. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
12. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI's cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)
13. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.
14. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.
15. "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"
17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.
18. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
19. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.
20. "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [I] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.
21. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
22. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.
23. "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.
24. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]
25. "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).
26. "We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." (Jewish Banker Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate).
27. "We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world." (Chaim Weizmann, Published in "Judische Rundschau," No. 4, 1920)
There I was thinking that Miss R, with her vow to make no more comment at this blog, might leave behind a palpable gap.
But others have quickly stepped into the breach.
Funny.
quote: (whatreallyhappened.com)
World Jewish Congress meets in Berlin on Iran World Jewish Congress meets in Berlin on Iran
The World Jewish Congress (WJC) on Wednesday called on the international community to force Iran to forego any nuclear ambitions and the radical Palestinian Hamas movement to renounce violence.
Posted Jun 28, 2006 10:55 AM PST
Category: IRAN
A nuclear-free Middle East cannot happen unless Israel becomes part of the resolution of the issue, yet this part of the equation is never addressed in conferences like these.
And whose kids, I wonder, are supposed to die in any kind of 'force' to be applied to Iran?
--------------------- Kind of sound like the "World Jewry" declaring war on Germany in 1937/38 (yes, before Germany went to war). And also in WW1. Those of you who have archives of old newspapers, and if you are diligent enough to read through ALL of them, you will notice that it is the "jews" (AsheNazis) who FIRST provoked, then YEARS LATER, the Germans are fed up and started countering propaganda. But of course, this important piece of history is misrepresented in Khazar/AshkenNazi controlled media (of which >92% of ALL radio, newspaper, television, movies are CONTROLLED by AshkeNazis --- this includes all small, local independent ones).
Enjoy!
LoL
It does always amuse me how people with nazi-like ideas such as Jewish people controlling the entire world call the Jewish people Nazis.
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