Hizbullah claims it destroyed 3 Israeli tanks, killed 20 soldiers
BEIRUT, Lebanon - Hezbollah claimed on Saturday its guerrillas have destroyed three Israeli tanks and caused casualties among Israeli troops in the incursion at the village of Maroun el-Ras in the last three days.Did Hizbullah really kill 20 Israeli soldiers? We'll soon find out, I'm sure.
A spokesman for the Israeli military said he had no infomation about tanks being hit or about casualties in the fighting around the village, located close to the border.
Hezbollah said in a statement read on its Al Manar TV that an “epic battle” was taking place in the border village as Israeli armor and elite troops attempted to seize the center of town under the cover of airstrikes and artillery.
It said that in the three-day battle Israel lost three tanks and 20 soldiers killed or wounded.
“Our mujahedeen fighters are fighting valiantly,” said the statement, adding that the guerrillas also hit an armored vehicle, causing casualties among its crew.
Hezbollah warned the Israelis to expect more resistance if they invaded on the ground, after 11 days of airstrikes across the country.
The battle “was an example of what awaits the Zionists in every village, town and position,” the statement said.
But, if they did, that's mighty slovenly of the IDF "elite" forces. They can't manage to out-maneuvre a band of lightly armed men who have been pounded for over a week, with literally tons of bombs? Tsk, tsk.
posted by qrswave @ Saturday, July 22, 2006
46 Comments:
Stop the presses
New headline
TERRORISTS LIE TO MEDIA IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE GOALS (AS WELL AS MURDER CIVILIANS)
Your hatred for the jewish people is disgusting.
You might want to seek counseling for your problems.
good luck
my dear nathan,
what utter drivel you spout.
Everyone knows it's the ZIONISTS - not the Jews.
Yet you spout the drivel comming from terrorists intent on killing civiians. (any will do but special points for jews)
As I said, your hatred for the jewish people is disgusting.
Please seek help.
Nathan:
You talk as if you're zionist brethen don't kill civilians. Give me a break! Now that is "drivel" and an outrageous outright lie! You characterize the Lebanese resistence as "terrorists" which sounds to me like a typical and predictable zionist ad hominem attack. Shalom!
LA
Nathan, we love Jews, some of my friends and business acquaintances are Jews.
You must be a Zionist to equate Jews with Israel and Zionism. Zionists have hijacked the great Abrahamic faith.
anon:
I can't believe that you cannot tell the difference between intentionally attacking civilians and civilians caught in the crossfire because Hizbullah terrorists hide behind women and children.
You are either willfully ignorant or incredibly stupid.
Breaking News from Arabic sources:
Israel suffers massive resistance in one village - up to 20 elite commandos dead, now Israel abandons ground invasion. Plans to level all villages within 15 km of border, and now interested in international force to monitor border.
What a moral and military defeat for the Zionists. The tide turns here.
islammemo.cc
Not this stupid excuse again. "I can't believe that you cannot tell the difference between intentionally attacking civilians and civilians caught in the crossfire because Hizbullah terrorists hide behind women and children." SUUUURE. Everyone knows Palestinians make perfect skields against Israeli MISSILES!!! They're impenetrable! Besides, the Israeli's said this is whats happening so it MUST be true. Right? Give me a break.
little bro
It is a fact that Hizbullah hides weapons and rocket sites in civilian homes. They are scared little terrorists hiding behind women and children, afraid to face the retribution demanded by their act of war.
Give me a break indeed.
hey nathan,
what are you a preteen?
get lost.
I would invite you to come back when you mature - but it's not likely that you will.
So, let's leave it at that. Scram!
can you not handle hearing a different point of view qrswave?
you are willing to take terrorists at their word but anything that might upset your deluded world view is verbotten.
your mindset reeks of preteen, angry at my mommy rage. get help. soon.
you're a preteen mommy?!! :o
do whatever you want
I'll take that as a no re: points of view.
Thanks for the clarification.
It is a fact that Hizbullah hides weapons and rocket sites in civilian homes.
So sez the US and Israel. Such claims have as much credibility as Iraq's nonexistent WMDs.
Ah yes I forgot, before US and European intel claimed WMD in Iraq, everyone in the world knew that Saddam was just a sweet little puppy who would not harm a soul.
Nathan,
I NOW consider ALL zionists terrorists [no quotations here] to the extreme of the word. I'm too tired right now to cite sources to prove my point. But in any case, you can keeping crowing all day and all night and I won't believe you and it no longer is relevant.
You remind me of the fairy tale of the little boy that "cried wolf" all the time and everyone stopped believing him.
Regarding Saddam, and yes the US armed that "sweet little puppy" or did you forget that too? I also recall reading a story in Haaretz before the Iraq war where an Israeli intelligence analyst stated that Iraq had no WMDs. I guess he was right because that was another big lie to the world. So go ahead and make more false assertions.
LA
Honestly, I used to think the Jews were persecuted for no reason, now I know why.
If I were Jewish, I would do everything in my power to stop Israel. As it is, as an American, I am doing everything in my power to stop Israel hiding behind America to kill innocent people using my countrywomen and men as their foot soldiers, and my tax dollars to fund Israel's genocidal weapons.
LA
well good night then, the grown ups are talking.
anon 10:07
Of course it is the Jew's fault that they are attacked daily by terrorists hiding in/protected by lebanon, you know cause they breath air and all.
You are in fact doing nothing to stop the war in either Iraq or Lebanon. You only help to prolong the conflicts by giving political cover for the worst people on this planet who would murder you as well if it was possible.
Nathan,
Your nose keeps growing just like Pinochio. You poor thing! Let's hear more tales of woe that zionists imposed on themselves. You steal land, murder, lie and then you think that the dispossessed should kiss your fanny? Tell me what you're doing to promote peace in the Middle East. Tell me how I provide political cover to the resistance. It seems to me that you continuously spew out your zionist drivel ad nauseam. Make a compelling argument to support zionist crimes because you haven't yet. Goodnight!
LA
qrswave:
You are deluded beyond belief if you think that it's "zionists and not Jews."
Your total hatred of the ONE JEWISH STATE IN THE WORLD, along with lies and propoganda you spout to back it up, make it quite clear that you hate Jews and not just "zionists."
Akber:
"Zionists hijacked the great Abrahamic faith." Bullshit. That is your anti-Jewish hatred speaking.
Oh, and like it matters that "some of your best friends are jews." That's a common refrain. "I think Jews are the scourge of the earth and must be cleansed from the planet, but I don't hate Jews, some of my best friends are Jews! How dare you call me an antisemite?!" Whatever.
Of course, in qrswave and your world, prior to the State of Israel, Jews and Muslims lived side by side in harmony. Riiiight.
It is well known what a total and complete LIE that one is.
But keep believing that if it's what lets you sleep at night.
Nathan - you are welcome to post at cultureforall.blogspot.com
:-)
LA
What exacly were the hizbullah terrorists "resisting" when they crossed into Israel and kidnapped two soldiers?
This was a thread about terrorists lying to the media as a matter of practice to further their goals, not about the "zionist crime" of defending Israel's territory and people.
Try to contain your hate, it is not healthy.
Thanks dy I will check it out.
The problem is the Zionists, not the Jews. The Zionists are racist modern day Nazi scum.
The middle east is in such a mess because of them right now. They are the sole reason why suicide bombers exist.
Until the Zionist scum are removed from power it will be impossible to have peace in Israel.
Don't drag all the Jews into this mess, most want no part of it.
shorter anon:
-If only we could get rid of all those jews living in Israel, the terrorists would not blow up civilians anymore-
You sound like a wife beater excusing your violence saying "she asked for it, ya know, she should have just stayed quiet"
I did not drag the Jews into anything. Hizbullah did that when they invaded sovreign territory and kidnapped two Israeli soldiers. Now they want to cry about disproportionate force. Too bad, you don't get to start a fight and then cry when you get your ass kicked.
9-11 and puppy dogs justify the Muslim holocaust.
Saddam, Sharon, Olmert, bin Laden, George Bush, Tony Blair: the six faces on the same dice of death.
There is no "Muslim Holocaust," although many Muslims would like there to be another Jewish Holocaust that would finish the job off.
Hezbollah is one such organization that is wishing for that - and attempting to make that happen.
Hezbollah is one such organization that is wishing for that - and attempting to make that happen.
Yes, it is very clear they are defending their homeland after Israel provoked a war with them. Sad...so much loss of life over Zionist hubris.
I think I hear sirens...quick, scurry to your rat hole now, da!
die for the elite:
READ HISTORY BOOKS. Israel LEFT LEBANON. They left, and Hezbollah remains armed and continues their aggression against Israel. This is not about "defending the homeland." It's about attempting annhiliate Israel.
Any examination of Hezbollah's Hate TV is proof of this. They want to kill every Jew. THAT is their goal - not "defending the homeland."
lesliemai:
Hitler would have been so proud.
Zionism is a secular form of Bolshevism; it is completely godless. If I had to choose who speaks for me as someone with Jewish ancestry, I choose the Torah True Jews of the Neuturei Karta instead of the apostate socialist zionists.
Not one of the zionist apologists can justify the actions of the state of Israel on the Torah. why? Because it refuses to abide by G-d's laws. The events of the past few days should be ample evidence of this.
Nathan,
According the numerous global news outlets, the Israeli soldiers were CAPTURED in Lebanon. But of course, I'm certain you'll say that those stories are "hate" and propaganda. Speaking of masters of propaganda and deceit - zionists are number #1. Top global ranking!
This thread isn't about hate. It's about the truth, which it appears is something you can't handle too well. What you do is twist everything around and claim that you're opposition hates you. It's so easy to say, you're full of "hate" when you can't defend yourself and what you defend is indefensible.
Out of curiousity, give me one good reason why your zionist policies and criminality shouldn't be hated by me or anyone else?
LA
Nathan,
In your last post, you ignored all my questions and didn't back up one assertion. Still thinking about it?
LA
LA
That is because you have yet to point out these "zionist crimes" which i am supposed to defend. (nazi/islamofacist screeds do not count)
I have taken no land. I have murdered no one. Could you please tell me which "lie" i have "spewed" here?
Your intense hatred for all things jewish clouds your mind so that any defense of Israel, no matter what the situation is simply termed "zionist propoganda"
Your reading comprehension also appears to be defective as any reasonable person can see that this post was about terrorist lies claiming success that they obviously have not achieved and the msm complicity in these lies.
You provide political cover for these evil terrorists by refusing to condemn their deplorable actions and instead attacking the victim of an act of war.
As for where the soldiers were kidnapped by hizbullah terrorists, everything I have read says that the terrorists infiltrated Israel, ambushed soldiers, killed some and took some. After this, Israeli forces pursued the terrorists into lebanon, where another ambush killed more Israeli soldiers. No matter how you try to frame this based on your hatred, Hizbullah committed an act of war upon Israel. Israel has every right to defend herself and citizens just as any other sovereign nation. You only hold Israel to a different standard because of the jew hate that has corrupted your mind.
Nathan,
If you'd like to know what "zionist crimes" I speak of, look at your latest attack on Lebanon. If the shoe were on the other foot and that was Israel, you'd be claiming Holocaust II. I should add that zionists have masacred countless Palestinians since 1922.
You are in denial and delusional. Are you saying that zionists have taken no Palestinian land? Are you really serious about that? Read "Flowers of Galilee" by Israel Shamir, a former IDF Paratrooper who tells the TRUTH for some details. Or just go to a library and do your own research.
"Your intense hatred for all things jewish clouds your mind so that any defense of Israel, no matter what the situation is simply termed 'zionist propoganda.'" That is hardly true. I welcome Jews and ALL ethnic groups in my HOME. My dislike here is zionism. Zionism is a perfect blend of communism and fascism. I also believe in a nation state's sovereignty and right to defend itself. However, in this case, Israel is plain wrong. The whole world sees it, but you don't. Once again, you're in denial or you just plain can't think for yourself.
What "political cover?" I call it as I see it. Resistance is resistance. Occupation is occupation. Criminal behavior is criminal behavior. I've never supported blowing innocent people up. Although your zionist perspective makes me question now whether ALL zionist men, women and children should be legitimate targets, although I still refuse to condone killing innocent people. And Israel will pay the price!
Regarding the captured IDF troops, I probably read the same version of the account of the "kidnapped" soldiers as you. Again, how do you "kidnap" a soldier if it's a military operation? I've also read versions of the account where the soldiers had entered Lebanon and were thus captured in Ayta Ash Shab. Who'd lieing to who?
You can try to justify zionist behavior Nathan, but it's a losing cause because the world knows the truth, I'm learning the truth and catching on. My mind is liberated from the lies.
LA
Terrorist quotes for you Nathan:
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."
-- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
"There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their [Arabs] fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
-- Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.
"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.
"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"
-- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.
"I would have joined a terrorist organization."
-- Ehud Barak's response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha'aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian.
"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
LA
LA
I fail to see how words are terrorist actions. do you not believe that individuals should be free to speak their mind? Also, none of those quotes call for an extermination of a people which is so popular among you and your terror sympathizer friends.
My defense of Israel has nothing to do with "zionism" it has to do with a nations right to self defense, something all countries in the world are afforded with the exception of Israel.
You can keep your "im not racist, some of my friends are jews" crap to yourself. We have all heard that nonsense in varying forms. At least have the integrity to acknowledge your hatred, even if you do not desire to change.
If you wish to call hezbullah's actions a military operation, therfore capturing the soldiers rather than kidnapping them, then it just makes justification for Israel to respond that much easier. Conducting military operations in another country without permission to be there is an ACT OF WAR. Once that act was committed be Hezbullah forces, Israel had no choice but to respond, just as any other nation in the world would have.
By the way, has the IRC been allowed to visit these "prisoners" to check on their wellbeing or have they been allowed contact with their families as required by their POW status? doubt that you even care, i mean after all those jews just get what they deserve right?
Nathan,
Those quotes are consistent with zionist terrorism and intent to displace by any means the Palestinians. Any reasonable person would infer that by reading those quotes.
If your defense of Israel is not based on your zionist views, then why do you defend such an abhorrent government? You defend Israel's right of self defense, not Lebanon's or Hezbollah's, and carry on that Israel is the victim. Of what? Palestinian or Lebanese occupation? You ignore history and conveniently omit the past.
You really are stretching things here when you lie and quote me as saying "[I]'m not racist, some of my friends are jews." When did I say that? And you call me a racist as well. I wrote "I welcome Jews and ALL ethnic groups in my HOME. My dislike here is zionism." That's a far cry from your fabricated quote. You are paranoid indeed. Being a Jew must be a burden on you!
Israel's invasion of Lebanon is NOT justified under ANY standards of International Law. Furthermore, if you think that your "kidnapping" story is the real reason for the attack, you're again, delusional and you don't have an inquisitive mind. It's rather basic, you don't launch attacks on Gaza and Lebanon in one week without military plans that were cooked well in advance. You don't do it without tacit approval by the USA. This is not a SWAT team action. This is an act of war and Israel should bare the burden of its act.
Let's see, two captured Israeli soldiers, and thousands upon thousands of Lebanese, Palestinians under administrative detention. No trial, no lawyers, no anything. No hope of ever being released. Isn't that what the US does in Gitmo? I wonder where that came from? Is that justice Nathan? Maybe in the Gulags of Israel. But not in my country. And I am very concerned that the zionist mentality has infected the USA government's morals, values and justice system. It makes me cringe!
You try to defend Israel but to avail. You haven't made one argument that comes close to justifying zionist aggression. Not one. Maybe you could convince little kids or clueless people of your version of reality, but not this forum. You're way out of league.
"...after all those jews just get what they deserve right?" Don't play the racial card again. It doesn't work and no one cares.
LA
LA
You must have missed the last 5-6 years where Israel left "occupied" lebanon and Gaza. What was the prize for this move? Rockets and suicide bombers from the no longer "occupied" territories exploding in Israel.
As to war plans, you must be incredibly stupid to believe that planning is done only after attacks. The US govt has military operation plans for almost any situation that could arise. Why would Israel, or any other nation not do the same?
What the US does in Gitmo is hold unlawful combatants captured on the battlefield, away from civilians where if they escaped, they could not harm the US population. And every single one of the individuals held at Gitmo is given a hearing to determine their status. Some are sent home, some are kept prisoner.
One does not rate POW status just by being captured in war. (I am aware that the US supreme court has ruled otherwise but they are not always correct and have inserted themselves unconstitutionaly into the business of warfighting) The captured individual must be a lawful combatant, wear recognizable uniforms, maintain a chain of command, and follow the laws of armed conflict. Individuals who chose not to do this, such as the terrorists at Gitmo, are not deserving of the protections for lawful combatants.
They should have been shot when captured as spies (lawful under Geneva) which would have saved the US the headache brought on by the absurd hyperbole spewed by useful idiots like yourself considering the treatment of these terrorists.
It seems to me that you tend to play the racist as opposed to me playing any racial card. You just cannot get away from your hatred of jews, so much so that you even project their race onto those who simply defend Israel's right to exist.
Your use of the term zionist aggression is almost laughable if it were not so sad. Again, Israel left Gaza and lebanon. They are NOT occupied territories, therfore, any military action taken by actors for Gaza or Lebanon constitutes an ACT OF WAR, committed against a sovereign state which may respond militarily as it chooses. Israel could have agreed to a prisoner swap but that simply would have encouraged more kidnappings or "military operations" perpetrated by Hizbullah. As lebanon has chosen to allow Hizbullah to take these actions, they have essentially invited Israel to police their border to prevent further attacks. If lebanon does not want to be attacked, they should not allow military operations to be conducted from their soil.
There is not an international law anywhere which prevents sovereign states from defending themselves when attacked. Your lie that this action by Israel is illegal is just as laughable every other thought that tumbles inside disturbed mind.
Let go of your hate, the Protocols are fake, there is no zionist conspiracy, and I fear it is seriously affecting your mental health.
Your arguments are pathetically embarrasing and factually incorrect. When you can't argue, slander is the only defense. Any 12 year old could do a better job.
LA
Nathan, your hatred of arabs is even more disgusting, esp when you seem to enjoy hundreds of arabs being slaughted by the coweardly zionazi airforce...
At least israels evils are now obvious to the whole world...
Brian
LA
Please prove me "factually incorrect"
As you are apparently unaware of the difference between slander and libel, I doubt you could accomplish such a task. Perhaps you should leave grown-up discussions for grown-ups. I think you may not even know the meaning of either word. Pick up a dictionary, calling you out for your racist attitude is not slander nor libel, it is informed observation. I earlier refered to you as a useful idiot, I think now that you may just be an idiot.
Brian
I don't care what your race, religion, gender or backgroud is. If you choose to intentionally and indiscriminately attack civilians, if you choose to act as a terrorist rather than a reasonable, productive member of society, you deserve to catch a few thousand pounders in your backyard for your actions. Just like when your mommy spanked you for unacceptable behaviour, that is what is happening to Hizbullah.
This has nothing to do with one being jewish or arab, it has to do with behaviour. Hizbullah attacked Israel. As they are an official, govt sanctioned organization in lebanon, why should they not be held to account for their actions?
Hi nathan,
If you think its justified for Israel to act in self-defence, do you think they made a measured response?
Should Israel have just gone into lebanon, kidnapped a couple of hizbullah terrorists and then fired rockets randomly into civilian populations?
Equal or "measured" force applied to hizbullah would have accomplished nothing. Sometimes it is more useful to hit back harder than you were hit.
Nathan,
As far as facts, let's start out with one quote I posted earlier:
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." -- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
Here is your reply: "I fail to see how words are terrorist actions. [D]o you not believe that individuals should be free to speak their mind? Also, none of those quotes call for an extermination of a people which is so popular among you and your terror sympathizer friends."
The Ben-Gurion quote is historical fact. Any argument that Israeli’s came to Palestine with good will is BS. Let's look at another fact of Palestine history. Approximately 726,000 Christians and Muslims (amounting to 75% of the Arab population of Palestine) who resided in what is now Israel fled or were expelled prior to, during and after the 1948 War to create a state for Jews in Palestine. That IS fact and the direct result of zionist racist policy.
And then you have the nerve to call other people in this forum “racists?” Zionists are supreme racists and the entire world knows that except for Nathan. You defend a racist state and government, so arguably you’re a racist too. You are terribly misguided!
Then you wrote: "My defense of Israel has nothing to do with "zionism" it has to do with a nations right to self defense, something all countries in the world are afforded with the exception of Israel."
No one on this thread said Israel has no right to self defense. YOU said that.
It's amazing to me that you defend Israel's right to "self defense," and you're silent on all the history of zionist terrorism (King David Hotel) in Palestine and Lebanon (Harriri’s assassination) that created Israel's dilemma. You don't mention Palestinian refugees in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and other places. You just breeze right over the history, you pretend it doesn't exist.
Your rationale is that Israel is ONCE again the innocent VICTIM of attacks, and in this current situation, it was the capture of Israeli troops in Lebanon that "started" the entire Israeli invasion. Just another excuse.
Do you have cojones Nathan? Then answer this question directly: Do Palestinians have a right to self defense against a terrorist state?
You further wrote, "you may just be an idiot." Did you say this because you’re SO superior to me or are you just frustrated that your arguments get you nowhere?
Nathan your taunts are so juvenile. Go home to mommy and bring her back to this forum. Maybe she might make an intelligent argument for you because you've failed!
LA
LA
Christ you are deluded. The only people who believe that Harriri was assassinated by Israel are kooks and anti-semites getting all their info from What Really Happened.
Your racism shows with your irrational attacks on Israel and her citizens. Also you continue to lie about what instigated the current situation. Israel left lebanon years ago dumbass. Hezbullah's incursion into Israel started this.
Yes, palesinians have a right to self defense. I wish to God that palestinians would actually defend themselves against terrorists but that would require a pretty bloody civil war, as they would have to fight their own govt.
As for intelligent arguments, simply shouting ZION, EVIL JEWS, etc will not get it down outside of your klan rally.
Find that dictionary yet?
Nathan,
I was going to make some argument but why bother. You're so brainwashed that it renders you hopeless. You are pathetically dense.
LA
LA
Speaking of brainwashing, you may want to check out the movie "Pallywood" which can be viewed at http://seconddraft.org./movies.php
Warning: You may be forced to conclude that your world view is severely distorted.
Nathan got OWNED throughout this entire debate. No more needs to be said of it really. I agree that only a person who is severely underdeveloped mentally, could believe his one sided "Facts". They can continue spinning all they want. Theres no need to even counter it anymore, people are no longer falling for it. Whats interesting is, all of this used to be hidden in plain sight....now, its just IN PLAIN SIGHT. And theres simply no denying that there are horrible atrocities being carried out in Isreal/America's name.
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