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Politicians with Guts - result card

PNAC report on politicians with guts.

The gutsy politicians who started the Iraq War (Azores meeting on March 16 2003):

Portugal's Durao/Lopez: defeated (public against war)
Spain's Aznar: defeated (public against war)
Italy's Berlusconi: defeated (public against war)

Britain's Blair: re-elected (opposite party also supported war while public does not)
Australia's Howard: re-elected (public supports war)
US's Bush: re-elected (public supported war)

Notice any empirical (in both meanings!) patterns?

6 Comments:

At Sunday, April 16, 2006, Anonymous Mighty Thor said...

Do I notice any patterns?--Not quite; why don't u enlighten us w. a thesis to start things off? In the USA, the public didn't so much "support" as it "went along," as usual. Further, the "election" (in USA) was outrageous farce, rigged, and fraudulent, the fraud covered up then by "Jews-media."

Iraq war is Orwellian "perpetual war for perp. peace," meant to make Jews in middle money while West and Muslims fight.

 
At Sunday, April 16, 2006, Blogger Akber said...

Patterns:

1. The British Empire, allied in WWI and WWII, still terrorize the world. The powers that be in UK knew this alliance, and violated the public trust and both parties colluded for war.

2. European electorates (especially non-Nordic) are politically mature. They opposed it and still do and made a point of it at the polls.

3. US electorate 'goes along' - as you very rightly put it, and then chickens out. No depth or political maturity. Mention 'gay marriage' or 'abortion' and they will even vote a donkey in. They are isolated from the world.

Your reference to Orwell is valid. However, I doubt that scenario will ever appear wholly. Orwell noticed some patterns long ago and wrote about them -- good job -- he made us vigilant. Humans are too resilient to put up with such stuff for too long.

I again agree that the 'war-on-a-noun' (war on terror) was started as a 'perpetual war'. It has become a farce, and will embarrass its protagonists and relegate them to the dustbin of history.

So, the Orwellian nightmare is an extreme example of what might happen, but I doubt that it will happen.

Again, if the US was mature, the Israeli lobby would not have much influence, as it has diminishing influence in Europe now, where the electorate is much more mature. Hence, I do not agree with Jewish conspiracy theories. Even if there is a conspiracy (I do not think so), then it is the electorate that is to blame, and the people who do not go out on the streets with their 2nd-amendment guns -- as Jefferson envisioned.

 
At Sunday, April 16, 2006, Anonymous Mighty Thor said...

Inductive Evidence Against Jews Is Overwhelming
(Mighty Thor, 16 Apr 06)

Nothing happens here in USA to overthrow Judeo-oligarchs as things aren't bad enough yet in the cyclic Spenglerian "Decline of the West."

Federal Reserve Bank (Fed) counterfeiting fraud is conspiracy by definition and necessity. Ck G. Edward Griffin's "The Creature From Jekyll Island"; also JBS.org. The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is primary vehicle of conspiracy, reputedly 47% Jew.

The Fed-style bankers are behind the imperialist oligarchs, necessarily, just as they're behind the United Nations (again, see Griffin, above).

INDUCTIVE LOGIC and evidence, dear "Akber," lead ineluctably to Jews as suspects who must now prove themselves innocent of conspiracy which they can't do. Yes, there are their (Jew) collaborators among gentiles who can well be identified, like the "Judeo-Christians" who support Israel and yet pretend they're Christian. (See Whtt.org.)

Jews naturally dominate in hubristic Spenglerian "Decline of the West" as they're most sublime subjectivists.

CONCLUSION: Don't u realize u do the Jews and conspirators greatest service by continuing to insist u see nothing wrong with them? U REFUSE TO CONSIDER TALMUD itself as evidence against Jews. Pls get a clue. Thor

 
At Monday, April 17, 2006, Blogger tomtom said...

Interesting discussion about mature and imature electorate.

Recently in Europe the younger people voted and demonstrated for different values: happiness vs money. Death to consumerism is the slogan heard more and more. In Europe there is a change emerging and that is a ( still slow) shift left of the centre. Also in the nordic countries.

But European still dont have the real guts to oppose the US which actually should be an eye opener if that would happen.

An occupation (liberation) of the US would be very interesting. My bet however is a seconds civil war starting in 2008 when Bush & co start their third term and ending in 2011. Coropratism equals facsism, and thew US is not far from where Hitler and Musolini where in the twenties of the previous century.

Dont you guys let it happen.

TomTom, Fearless Navigator

 
At Monday, April 17, 2006, Blogger tomtom said...

Interesting discussion about mature and imature electorate.

Recently in Europe the younger people voted and demonstrated for different values: happiness vs money. Death to consumerism is the slogan heard more and more. In Europe there is a change emerging and that is ( still slow) a shift left of the centre. Also in the nordic countries.

But European still dont have the real guts to oppose the US which actually should be an eye opener if that would happen.

An occupation (liberation) of the US would be very interesting. My bet however is a civil war starting in 2008 (when Bush & Co start their third term) and ending in 2011. Corporatism equals facsism, and the US is not far from where Hitler and Musolini where in the twenties of the previous century.

Dont you guys let it happen.

TomTom, Fearless Navigator

 
At Monday, April 17, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...

Actually, Labor lost many seats in Parliament, and the Liberal Democrats gained some seats. This is the only party that is against the war in the UK.

 

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