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Largest US Church says Bush behind 9/11

The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)'s publishing arm has released a book that says President Bush organized New York's Sept. 11 attacks.

The decision by the 160-year-old Westminster John Knox Press, the trade and academic publishing imprint of the Presbyterian Publishing Corp., to attribute the attacks on the World Trade Center brings into the U.S. religious mainstream a conspiracy theory long held by the world's jihadists.

In 'Christian Faith and the Truth behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action,' author David Ray Griffin calls the United States the world's 'chief embodiment of demonic power, says he initially scoffed at 9/11 conspiracy theories.

But after investigating he concluded that the Twin Towers were brought down by controlled demolition, military personnel were given stand-down orders not to intercept hijacked flights and the 9/11 Commission, ostensibly created to uncover the truth behind the events of 9/11, 'simply ignored evidence' that the administration was involved in the attacks.
Not if, but when the truth behind 9/11 explodes - America in its current form will cease to exist.


I noticed that a number of people have misconstrued my comment as a death wish for America. That is not what I meant. I meant that America will be forced to change in order to survive.

The nation will undergo such fundamental changes in its power structure - i.e., the role of state and local governments vis-a-vis the federal government, issues of local and global defense and foreign policy - that it will no longer resemble what we see today.


At Saturday, August 12, 2006, Blogger BLKNIGHT18 said...

If you are trying to wake up Christians, have them check out www.watchmanreport.com we are an evangelical site that has been pushing 9/11 truth for a year, and are in correspondence with DRG on strategies to further wake up Christians in America to the truth.

At Saturday, August 12, 2006, Blogger Visible said...

You people just get better and better. I am so pleased that we walk this road together.

What troubles me though is why the neo-cons would want to have the apocalypse on my birthday?

This is great news by the way. I've been following Griffin's progress. This ought to shake some shit up.

Keep on with the good work my friends. You are cutting edge

Les Visible

At Saturday, August 12, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...


thanks for the kind words, friend.

hopefully soon, the blogosphere can celebrate its victory over these lunatics, rather than the other way around.

blknight18, anything that wakes the masses is welcome news.

At Saturday, August 12, 2006, Blogger kootcoot said...

This is a very encouraging sign (the publication of this book). I take issue with the following though.

"President Bush organized New York's Sept. 11 attacks."

I personally don't think the (P)resident is smart enough to "organize" something like 9/11. I do think he was complicit though, he just left the heavy lifting of a mental nature to the more intelligent criminals around him.

At Saturday, August 12, 2006, Blogger kootcoot said...

Also you should be more careful with your facts i.e.

"Only three mainline Protestant churches are among the ten largest churches: the United Methodist Church (ranked 3 with a membership of 8,186,254), the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ranked 7 with a membership of 4,930,429), and the Presbyterian Church, USA (ranked 9 with a membership of 3,189,573). All three churches declined in membership since the 2005 Yearbook was released."

Source:The National Council of Churches' 2006 Yearbook of American and Canadian Churches (one of the oldest and most reliable sources of church membership and growth trends)

Mistatements of fact give the right wingnuts a reason to discredit you, even though facts actually mean nothing to Karl Rove and his ilk.

At Saturday, August 12, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

kootcoot, thanks for the info. It's better to describe it as one of the largest churches in the US. But, changing the title now would screw up the links.

I think that the church is sufficiently large, however, that it deserves equivalent attention.

At Saturday, August 12, 2006, Blogger truthman said...

For the person who said Bush isn't smart enough. I don't agree.
It is not about smart or dumb.
Its about giving his OK or getting the people together who could pull it off.
He doesn't have to be the techno wiz of this inside job.
For example, his brother Marvin was the head of the security company for WTC, United Airlines and Dulles Airport.
G. Bush did not have to understand or do what Marvin could do for him.
He could have just got the people together and said you figure out how to do this
and you figure out how to do that. Make it happen number 2 and number 3 and ... number N.

Or someone else could have come to him like the Joint Chiefs came to Kennedy about Operation Northwoods, an operation to attack US citizens and US planes and blame it on the Cubans, so then the military could takeover Cuba "legitimately".
It wasn't Kennedy who made the plan. Kennedy said no though.
But G. Bush might have said yes.
Please open your mind.
G. Bush benefitted greatly from 911.
There are too many things that are suspicious regarding G. Bush and 911.
His statement that when he saw that a plane had crashed into WTC 1 he said wow that pilot must have been a really bad pilot.
That statement does not ring true to me. The president and the people with him would have to be brain dead to believe that. I am not saying Bush is not stupid. What I am saying is that he is not brain dead. His saying that the pilot must have been really bad seems staged and something to make it look like he had no suspicion of what was going on. But I can't believe Bush actually believed that, he only said it to sound clever or innocent and trying to obfuscate the fact that he did knew exactly what was going on. By this lie we can tell he knew exactly what was going on.

At Saturday, August 12, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

truthout said

"I am not saying Bush is not stupid. What I am saying is that he is not brain dead."

You're a riot!

At Saturday, August 12, 2006, Blogger BrendanOMaidian said...

If our friend, J. Christ were around today, the evil in the temple of the White House would have been driven out before it took residence. Remember, O brethren, these power-hungry, profiteering murderers, were made possible by the antics of Diebold, Harris, Blackwell, the GOP, Neocons, and the like, and the Bush family of corruption going back to Daddy's days in the CIA, and his daddy before him, the Nazi money man in the USA.
The majority of Americans never voted for this coven of thugs, neither in 2000 nor in 2004. We have the Rove/Cheny stench all over our once-great land, and it's no wonder the "commander" calls one of them his "Turd Blossom."
To say they were all involved in 9/11 is not at all difficult, they would and will do anything to stay in power and to keep on reaping the riches. They care not who gets killed, for it is not they who are dying for a "noble" cause.
The noble cause now is to get rid of them and to send them to the justice they deserve: death by firing squad at Ground Zero, the killing field they created. Bastards, all.


At Saturday, August 12, 2006, Blogger Brook said...

I won't say that Bush isn't part of the problem, but I believe he is far far from being at the heart of the problem. He is a public appearance that is part of the problem.

All of these churches won't stfu about how we need to support Israel. Now they are trying to blame all of this on Bush and take all of the blame away from any other organization but this "bushco". Israel spied on us. Israel had control of our software military and flight control software. Israel lobbied us for war. Israel benefited from the people they put in the top of the pentagon who crafted and lead us to war. Israel benefited off the war. Israelies were dancing on 9/11. Israel gave us the false intelligence that Saddam was working with the boogeman al qaeda. Israel gave us the false intelligence that Saddam was buying weapon grade uranium. Israelies were caught sabbotaging areas of Iraq next to our people being sniped. If anything Israel is more to blame. Not only the "neocons". Saying Bush masterminded 9/11 is retarded. It's deceptive. And it's psychological warfare.

At Saturday, August 12, 2006, Blogger ISRAOIL said...

911 was a usa/ Israel operation.The USA's all zionist media was behand the sinister capper. Notice the media going wild on the Red Alertand UK terrorists--non-stop. Notice also--Rupert Murdoc's Sky News is full steaming ahead-- Killers murderers---all Bull shit !
Even if,solid prove was given and the 911 exposed as a black flag operation--the Jewish media--would bury the news in the obitutury columns--- Scant , one day shot and dead issue.
We have to put controls on the Jewish people,for America's safety.

At Sunday, August 13, 2006, Blogger logician said...

Important reminder. When final steps are taken to impeach bush and his despicable band, be sure that the Red, World Destruct button is out of their reach. The final act of villains would be to take all with them. This applies also to Israel leadership.

At Sunday, August 13, 2006, Blogger truthman said...

Point one:

Like the US has it neocons,
So, does Israel have its neocons.

Only a small but extremely powerful group of people in the US are and were behind the Iraq war, 911, Oklahoma City, Waco, JFK asassination and Vietnam etc..

Rogue elements within the major media, CIA, FBI, Pentagon, Executive, Oil companies, Federal Reserve Bank (its a privately owned crook infested bank), and elites within the companies who make profit from war and spying are among this powerful group.

THis is also obviously true with the Isralies. They have their small group of high level criminals/crazies in their establishment.

It is also common sense to believe that the majority of the people of Israel like the people of America are good people who adamantly don't want unjust wars. They want democracy and jobs and healthcare and freedom and justice and peace with other nations etc...

We hate these corrupted officials and corrupted media and corrupted corporations in the US and Israel.
We don't hate the main populations of these countries.

Point two:

It also is obvious that there is a big race going on right now.

We have the 911 truth seekers who are trying to get the message to the world and bring the perps to justice. Thank God for the presbyterians specifically David Ray Griffin.

And we have the neocon crazies wanting to commit another 911 and bring the US and world into WW III.


Read everything you can about the 911 crime.

Get equipped to slay the dragon of ignorance.

We have the most just cause of the last 1000 years.
OUr actions will reverberate thru history forever.
This is the moment of moments.
We are the Paul Revere's of our age.

Lets shout it from the rooftops.

third point:

In the next year sometime when you have time read the following URL.
Don't want to distract you from the main job at hand, informing the world about the truth about 911.
Don't poo poo this URL. It will show you who is the head of the beast.

And go see this movie if you have time. You will be shocked at what the truth is about the federal reserve.
Its only playing in a few theatres in the country.
Again, it will show you the head of the beast.

Google From Freedom to Fascism Aaron Russo

Aaron Russo is the director.
Aaron you are a hero!!

At Sunday, August 13, 2006, Blogger jwestt said...

I'm a jew but I'm with the presbyterians. I am surprised americans aren;'t already in revolt

At Sunday, August 13, 2006, Blogger sQuare said...

Bush needs to be brought to trial. Plain and simple. How about those ratings? :)

At Monday, August 14, 2006, Blogger RICKY said...

bush did nothing literally.....the pentagon and the big media are obviously guilty...what do wolfewitz perle and big media ceo's have in common?? the answer my friend is blowin in the wind...i think they are all roman catholic..o wait,,,, im sorry none of them are....what r they??

At Monday, August 14, 2006, Blogger 0.3E9m/s said...

Twenty-two years ago I attended a lecture at the University of Maryland where one of the foremost experts in North America in fire safety design for large buildings described in detail how the WTC towers *would* one day fall down. He drew pictures on the blackboard with those little "squibs" and everything. They're an effect of the shock waves in the vertical steel as they shatter the joints at each floor. Those buildings were *guaranteed* to behave *exactly* as they did if they ever had three consecutive floors fully involved in fire, and the tall building design community knew it.

Construction of those buildings was the biggest scandal in civil engineering and fire science in decades. No buildings were ever built that way before or since. The NYC fire code had to be suspended to grant the construction and occupancy permits. But whistleblowers were punished and the scandal hidden from the public, much like the O-rings on the space shuttle.

The *rest* of the 9/11 Truth story makes perfect sense. Of course the Bush administration either planned the whole thing or at least let it happen and covered up its own involvement. How ridiculous is the claim that they can't figure out who short-sold the airline stocks.

But the 9/11 Truth Movement has become an orthodoxy. If you only buy 99.9% of it instead of all 100%, you're the enemy.

It's significant and tragic that the Movement hasn't attracted anybody with in-depth knowledge of fire safety design in tall buildings. We've got a lab manager, a physicist, and a theologian, squinting at grainy videos and announcing their intutive beliefs with the gravity of scientific truth. But nobody who's studied how large buildings burn or how to fireproof them. That's a whole branch of engineering. It had its own College at Maryland.

I think the "intentional demolition" people are infiltrators. They're like the guy who, whenever someone asks "who killed the Kennedys?", pops up with "and what about Area 51 and Bigfoot?" Their job is to destroy the 9/11 Truth movement's credibility.

At Monday, August 14, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...


assuming arguendo that what you say is true about the towers, how do you explain the collapse in WTC7? Was that too a structural engineering scandal?

I do, however, agree that a person should not have to believe all or none of a theory. There are many questions still open about 9/11. More than anything, what needs to happen is a genuine comprehensive investigation by disinterested individuals (scientists and investigators) from around the world. Only then can the truth be discovered.

At Monday, August 14, 2006, Blogger logician said...

You describe a view expresed over 20 years ago, that the towers were destined to fall, if certain fire forms were to happen. This does not explain how an entirely different building construction, WTC7, coppapsed in an identical fashion. Nor des it describe how pools of molten steel were found in the basements ofmall 3 buildings. Some of which remained molten for a number of weeks. These facts prove the plot.

When I first heard about that molten steel, my engineering experience left me to believe that Thermite or Thermate had been used to intentionally destroy those buildings. It has now bwen proven by Professor Steven Jones.

At Tuesday, August 15, 2006, Blogger C L I F Y L Q said...

This so called largest church needs to get straight with these two facts before they will finally know the TRUTH about 9/11.

First of all it is NOT BUSH behind 9/11

In truth these Elites are the Zionist who lead Israel and their all too many collaborators in the White house, the Congress, and the Senant. The so called elites are Zionist Nazis who have a single mind set, that of conquering the world ultimately to help with the rise of their God; antichrist!

Once the people at the The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A) etc., get passed this TRUTH, then perhaps you will realize the fact that unfortunately nothing can STOP it until Christ comes to throw Satan and his deciples into the burning lake along with his false prophets.

Review these links for "the truth will set you FREE!"

Israel Takes 10 Academy Awards For 9/11

End Days


God Help Us ALL!!!

Cliff Lindquist

At Wednesday, August 16, 2006, Blogger Bullwinkle said...

I followed a link here from another 9-11 page. My take on Bush's complicity in 9-11 is that he was warned about it and that he agreed with the ensuing "War On Terror" agenda. It also seems that efforts were made to warn important people to avoid airplanes, government buildings, and to come into work late that day. Bush seemed to express a little irritation with the pro-forma warnings coming in when he told the CIA briefer telling him in August at his ranch that Al Queda was likely to strike soon that he had "covered his ass."

Dave McGowan http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr67.html
gives a pretty good explanation of Bush's behavior at Booker Elementary. The operation was falling apart. One of the flights from Boston (175) was late taking off, causing UA11 kill time by flying North for 15 or 20 minutes before both planes headed off towards the WTC. Meanwhile, the two flights from Dulles and Newark which were supposed to return to DC and hit the Pentagon and some other building had gone too far to make it back despite the Defense stand down. Bush looked to me like he was seeing his entire administration under arrest by the end of the day as the operation fell apart before everyone's eyes. Luckily, no one really wanted to kick the guy when he was down.

At Monday, August 21, 2006, Blogger Tomohawk said...

Regarding the total destruction of WTC 1 & 2 (and 7), and the fact that it was an unprecedented near-perfect implosion and complete pulverization into small fragments of virtually all bldg materials, furnishings, and heavy equipment, along with most all people/corpses in the near and upper floors, including all occupants of two alleged planes (except as reported, alleged hi-jacker’s passports found fully readable, un-singed and intact?).

My brothers and I (architectural/engineering consultants who worked there, Port Authority, also survived this single MOST BARBAROUS CRIMINAL ACT AGAINST HUMANITY during non-war time), along with many other qualified specialists in our professional associations, have now unanimously and unreservedly concluded (some, from the very instant) of the sequential implosion collapses:

By collective observation of the event, and examination at the site, WE DECLARE that it was utterly IMPOSSIBLE for this to have happened (so completely) without skillful placement of those "SECONDARY Explosions" of advanced super-extraordinary force, of which thousands of eye-witnesses heard and acknowledged immediately in real-time then, and will always remember, always NEVER FORGETTING (esp. in memorial honor to all the lives and families destroyed), ALWAYS STAND BY unflappably as scientific and well documented HISTORIC FACT for the record books.

The Towers (1&2, w/ super re-enforced structural steel support core, completely layered with flame-proofing materials), were specifically designed to support its own weight/stresses redundantly by many times overload, and to easily withstand extraordinary assaults and impacts from (among other things) very possible collisions by LARGE AIRCRAFT; even over-sized bomb-laden warplanes.
WTC 7 complex, w/o aircraft, nor raging fire (with tell-tail heavy plums of smoke), suddenly imploded near-perfectly symmetrical into its footprint, also into pieces and fragments contained in a neatly arranged heap, within just hours of first tower fire (which was already coming under control and kept to a minimum, as noted/documented by fire-fighters and others on the scene).

At Monday, August 21, 2006, Blogger Tomohawk said...

With GOD given conscience, our family and friends wish to express, for the record, the following:

unfortunately and contrary to the 1st 9/11 Commission Report, and the seemingly Hollywood-like (or trick magic show) story hastily offered (supported only by a dwindling few cronies and other “light-weights” including Popular Mechanics magazine, etc), of which some hardcore remaining LOYALIST still dogmatically keep trying to HARD-SELL down the throats of the uninformed masses, this fact remains:
Even if it were a case of all three of these advanced steel buildings (or any modern steel re-enforced sky-scraper) being well dowsed before-hand with kerosene (jet fuel) on each floor and sub-basement levels, ignited by several large bombs/rockets/mortars randomly (or skillfully aimed) shot into each building, then after several hours of flames burning freely, if these same bomb-ravaged flame weakened buildings were strategically struck by skilled wreaking ball operators, as many and as often times as time and space allowed, these still could not POSSIBLY collapse just so completely, so quickly, so cleanly, so identically and symmetrically perfect, pulverized flat to the ground into dry, non-flaming, un-singed pieces CONTAINED in neatly compact heaps (besides the SPRAY and subsequent WAVES of finely GRANULATED powder shooting upward and spreading outward like a mushroom-cloud), as WTC 1, 2, and 7 magically, astonishingly, but ACTUALLY DID that one (less-than-full-working-hour) day! PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE, without super advanced precision/smart explosives methodically placed and computer-precision timed and launched or PULLED.

In behalf of family and friends, we hereby pledge to stand by this clear and conscious recollection of these observations, and will testify under oath in the proceedings to bring to justice and judicial accounting those criminally involved in the events that day and subsequent deeds carried out as a direct extension and continued perpetration of these serial crimes deliberately committed, including all those complicit in any way to cover-up and protect those upper-most responsible.

At Monday, November 06, 2006, Blogger steven andresen said...

I am interested in your original comment, or one of the first comments, ...that the revelations about 9-11 will bring about change in the structure of our government.

I am skeptical that even a full exposure of what I suspect was a plan by persons in the Bush administration to bring the towers will not, in itself, cause any revisions of our country.

There is the argument that the problem with Corporate America is not so much the people in power, people you could easily replace, rather, it's the structure of Corporate culture that would make whoever replaced the first scaliwags go about doing the exact same shit. It's the structure that makes them take advantage of the weak and the poor, and so on.

Suppose we find evidence that Bush and many others were in on a plan to bring down the towers, the Pentagon, and use these events to further a coup of the United Styates government. Let's say they wanted to make it easier to steal from the American people. I would think there would be enough people and power to limit the investigations well before any movem,ent could be developed to change the structure of our government that allows or encourages such treason. The idea on their part would be to throw whomever they had to to the mob in order to save what and who was really important.

I suspect that someone might wonder who would or what would be more important than Bush and his cronies for making the United States such a problem. I am not, here, thinking there are more secret movers and shakers that pull strings from farther back in the political stage.

I think the problem is more about our assuming our goal in life is survival and survival at the expense of everything and everyone else. I take it this is the ruling thought of the Bush gang who think nothing of wasting the planet and anyone not on their side, so long as they get theirs.

I guess I think the problem with the structure of our government is that it is designed so that the powerful can rob us blind without our knowing it. They will not let us spoil such a racket without an effective fight.

At Monday, November 06, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

"They will not let us spoil such a racket without an effective fight."

They've been fighting the whole time - we're the ones who've been taking it laying down.

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