Israelis bomb crowded Gaza beach, kills children
Even children playing on a beach are open game for Israelis. Unbelievable.
Israeli air strikes and artillery fire killed 10 Palestinians on Friday, including seven people on a crowded Gaza beach, the highest Palestinian death toll in a single day since December 2004, Palestinian officials said.What a load of crap. How can you 'halt the shelling,' yet not know 'for certain' if Israelis fired the shells?
Among those killed on the beach were three children, including an infant, a 3-year-old and a 10-year-old, who were playing at the time, witnesses said.
About 20 people were injured by the shelling, which Palestinian sources said came from Israeli ships. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas called it "a bloody massacre".
The Israeli army initially said its ships had fired shells at militants who launched rockets against the Jewish state after Israel's killing of a top militant who also served as a senior security chief appointed by the Hamas-led government.
But army spokesman Jacob Dallal said later that the shells were neither fired by Israeli naval ships nor the air force. "We are checking if it was artillery," he said.
Army chief Dan Halutz ordered an investigation into the deaths on the beach and halted the shelling, Dallal said.
Dallal said the army does not know "for certainty" if the shells were fired by Israel, and he said the military "deeply regretted" any civilian deaths.
Palestinians can't even let their children enjoy the few beaches they have access to without fear of them being killed by Israeli fire. Abominable.
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UPDATE: The US released a statement regarding the incident that is certain to further infuriate the Arab world against America - if that's at all possible.
"We've seen the news reports about this," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack told reporters.From beach-goers???
"Let me just state what we have said before: that Israel has a right to defend itself," the spokesman said.
"We also at the same time encourage Israel to ... consider the consequences of its actions."For example, the negative public relations impact - not just on Israel - but on the US.
McCormack ought to emigrate to Israel and join the IDF.
posted by qrswave @ Friday, June 09, 2006
51 Comments:
Of course you selectively quote stories, and don't mention the Kassam rockets being fired into Israel. Of course you fail to mention suicide bombers who are supported by Hamas. You fail to mention many things.
As far as this operation, JPost says that this was an accident, which I believe.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1149572649819&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
Head of the IDF's Southern Command, Maj.-Gen. Yoav Galant ruled out that navy shelling off the coast of Gaza or bombs fired by IAF jets brought about the death of at least 13 Palestinians earlier in the day.
According to Galant, the IDF is currently investigating two possible options: misfiring of an artillery round or a dud that exploded on the Gaza beach.
Meanwhile, the Palestinians do not exactly have moral high ground when they produce television shows where children speak of how excited they are about "Shahada" and how they cannot wait to be marytrs. Yes, I have seen said shows.
Oh, and Hamas vows revenge attacks.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1149572650502&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Then note this:
"the Zionist occupation insists on killing ... and does not distinguish between civilian children and freedom fighters."
When the Palestinians train their children to be suicide bombers, they are the ones who elliminate the distinctions between civilian children and freedom fighters. And I want to add that the "freedom" they are fighting for is the freedom to have their own nation where they will subjugate women, treat nonMuslims as second class citizens, and condone honor killings.
Some "freedom fighters!" I think a more appropos word would be "anti-freedom fighter."
Oh, and given the tactics these "freedom fighters" use - I would say a more appropos word would be "terrorist."
Funny how words can be manipulated.
Kassam rockets are fired into Israel nearly daily. The fact that they are not successful does not mean that Israel should wait until they are successful before acting.
The latest suicide bombing was in Tel Aviv about a month ago. There was also the bombing in Egypt, which was aimed at tourists. Both of these acts QRS refused to believe were carried out by Hamas or al queda - no, it was Mossad, of course! *rolls eyes*
For balance in this discussion, we should also note that Israel has been quite successful in attacking the Hamas terror leadership and Kassam rocket operations - they actually employ targetted attacks aimed at military operations.
Can you say that about the Palestinians? I think not.
Oh, and what about the fact that Hamas publicly mourned the loss of Zarqawi?
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/724681.html
Right, great organization, that Hamas!
Albion,
Negotiate with WHOM? Hamas does not even recognize Israel's right to exist. Abbas has no power to stop terror.
So what exactly will negotiating accomplish?
Oh right, bupkus.
Btw, Israel is protecting itself, not seeking revenge. They need to stop the terror enacted against their country.
It is Hamas who is seeking revenge.
Okay, I shall go through your illogical or non-fact based statements one by one.
1) Palestinians were not kicked off the land. The fact remains that the land Israelis live on was lawfully purchased. Secondly, the "refugees" are relatives of those who waged war upon Israel. That is not a "refugee" by any definition! The Arab Israelis within Israel have 100% equal rights with Israelis and a better life than they can hope for in most of the Middle East.
2) "Arguing with a Jew" - very funny! Firstly, I know of Jews who are anti-Israel, and nonJews who are pro-Israel. Being Jewish has nothing to do with it. You, however, just stated it did. But riiiiight...those who are anti-Israel have no anti-semitism bias!
3) So you propose Israel "recognize," and throw money at, an organization whose stated purpose is to destroy Israel? Riiiight...
4) I personally think religion is at the heart of much of the problems in the world. That I agree with you on. But if you say that, then you also must recognize that Mohammed himself killed 20,000 Jews.
This conflict goes back hundreds of years...and Jews have been living in the region for several millenia, continuously. To deny their tie to the land is ludicrious.
Meanwhile, note the dismal condition that Jews have in Middle Eastern nations. They are second class citizens in the BEST of the nations, and were outright kicked out in many of them.
Yet always there is a focus on Palestinians and how bad they have it.
I just want to note that this blog transformed me from a fence sitter on this issue to strongly pro-Israel.
Thanks to this blog, I am considering moving to Israel, and making that Aliyah.
I am serious, by the way. I believe in putting my money where my mouth is. I plan on visiting Israel this summer - something I never would have considered if not for this blog.
So thanks!
miss r, you STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED this question... we are waiting patiently for your reply...
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I'm glad you brought that up. Since there is something incredibly OBVIOUS to those who look. The so-called "jews" that you and most people refer to, are NOT semetic. "Semetic people" are what people nowadays refer to as Palestinians. Yes, that's right folks, the people from the land in the middle east, who have lived there for thousands upon thousands of years have BROWN SKIN, and are commonly known as ARABS. The Palestinians and the other arab people in the middle east have not gone anywhere -- they have kept and tended to THEIR LAND for eons. There was a genetic similarity experiment, that uncovered that the true 'israelis' (aka 'semites') who chosen to remain in Palestine/Israel for the last 2000 years, are genetically INDISTINGUISHABLE from Palestinians (aka, one and the same).
Now boys and girls, can you guess who forced this scientific paper to be REMOVED?!
Besides you don't need any fancy DNA test to tell you this obvious fact. Just look at those who claim they are Jews with "Israeli" blood -- they are WHITE, that's right folks, you have the Arabs/Palstinians who are BROWN, and then you have these bunch of posers/fakes who are WHITE and they claim they are the "true"/"chosen" ones...
... who are they kidding?! They are WHITE, several hundred of years ago, the ruler of the land now known as Khazar (southwest USSR or "far-eastern" europe, look it up on the map) were losing their gri6p on their people. And what better way those hundred of years ago (as it is true now, just observe the "fundamental" christian/muslim/jew mass hysteria happening today), than to impose (back then by force) to convert all civilians to Judaism.
These same Khazar (also referred to as Ashkenazi in old literature) have among them the 'Bauer' family (which changed it's name to the 'Rothschild' (i.e. translated from German to mean "Red Sign", which was a 6-sided red star hung over the family's business. There is significance in the number 6, which from traditional christian belief is the sign of the anti-christ (aka devil, b/c christians believe that there 7 holy virtues, and 7 minus 1 = 6, which symbolized Luthifer whom was 'believed' to be once a most holy angel who through lust fell from God's grace, thus he misses one of the 7 holy virtues) This same sign was adopted as the symbol & flag of the newly created 'Israeli' nation, much to the protest of many 'religious' rabbis at the time. This little fact of history has often been neglected.)
You also hear (especially if you study ancient history) of the "Illuminati" or "Masonaries" which are just like the "Rothschild", who were hated in Europe for believing in 'Satan' (they were often called false judea-christians). The Illuminati/Masonaries are basically the active arm of the Khazars/Ashkenazis, aka their 'descendents' -- much like what the Neo-Cons, the notorious Council for Foreign Relations (CFR), and the Cato Institute (all of which are "Jewish" creations, aka Ashkenazi) is today.
They boast notorious members such as, Kissinger (Vietnam, Cambodia, India, Loas affair), Wolfowitz, Rumsfield, etc (you get the picture).
A friend of mine who claims he is 'Jewish', so I asked him what do you mean? By "blood" or by "religions"? He paused for a while and then confusingly said, "both!". Now, I told him he was a European, and this was very obvious. He was a RED-HEAD (aka from the UK/Ireland), and no mistake about it. You put him in a crown of Irishmen, and you wouldn't be able to tell him apart.
So why did I bring this up?! Because the INTENTIONAL confusion that the Zionist community brainwashes their "chosen people" -- you see you can 'CONVERT' to become a Jew (or marry one and thus forced to convert), and then you are led to believe you have "ancient Israeli blood", just like my friend I described earlier. Someone asks who who you are, you answer 'confidently' that you are jewish, even if you are African (just like the lost 13th tribe in Ethiopia that later was "granted" Israeli citizenship to immigrate to 'Israel'/Palestine).
Why would the Zionists go through with all of the DECEPTION? Simple! Main reason:
-- Wolves in Sheep's clothing.
-- To wage war by way of deception (MOSSAD motto)
Zionists favour the use of 'FALSE FLAG' operations (e.g. Attack on US Liberty, Bombing the Egyptian Hotel, 9/11 -- 5 dancing Israeli Mossad Agents filming and cheering and high-fiving the collapse of the Twin Towers -- of which Larry Silverstein foolishly admitted on camera that WTC7 was "PULLED" (note he recent purchased the building and insurance), and guess who Larry Silverstein is...hint Stein/Berg)
And lastly, let's not forget about the ACTUAL PHYSICAL EVIDENCE for the Holohoax (aka Holocaust) of which there is CONTRADITING EVIDENCE to the contrary -- of which, Revisionists are imprisoned to shut them up. If there was such a thing (of which they claim to know where the mass burials are), why don't they DIGG UP the "supposed" mass graves?! Why don't they counter the Revisionists' scientific, logical, and forensic evidence, and make the revisionists look like fools for not believing??? -- but instead they ban their books, make it "unlawful" to question (which is ridiculous since you can investigate and research every OTHER GENOCIDES, such as My Lai, Killing Fileds in Cambodia, Stalin's slaughter of millions of Russians, etc, etc, etc), and imprison them?
If it is true that they have so much "evidence", wouldn't it be easier and just to prove the Revisionists WRONG -- then you can imprision them (though I don't see why asking questions and doing your homework is a 'sin'), and people wouldn't have so much objection.
----- Instead, they just imprisioned them, WITHOUT A FAIR TRIAL, WITHOUT ALLOWING THEM TO PRESENT THE EVIDENCE --- sounds awefully bad way to promote Justice, but a very effective way to CENSOR and INFLICT FEAR AMONG the Population (the same population who are now learning through actual physical evidence and the laws of physics, that 9/11 Official Story is full of SH!T).
But this "Persecution Complex" serves the Zionists very well. It makes it much EASIER to kill/torture/rape a Palestinian or a Goy or a Nigger or a Chink or something that is NOT "jew", since the perpetrators 'sincerely' believe THE WHOLE WORLD IS AGAINST THEM, that it's survival of the fittest -- and what can be more fitting than 'God's own chosen people'...
You see how CULTS work?! CULTS promote BLIND DEVOTION, blind devotion that is devoid of reason, logic, or compassion -- but is instead substituted with fear (whether 'god-fearing' or whatnot), hate, and self-pitty...
You say all that, but you are not antisemitic!
Antizionism isn't antisemitism!
Riiiiight.
You are an idiot of the lowest order. Not even worth responding to, except to say "Thanks for the good laugh you gave me!" I really enjoyed the chuckle.
Zionist massacre isolates Israel
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The Israeli warship lurking off the Gaza coast immediately after seven Palestinian civilians, including women and three children, were massacred in a shelling incident, was picked up by the cameras. Israel however refuses to claim responsibility for the attack, claiming the explosion on the beach could have been a shell that went astray, or else explosive devices which were lying in the sand and went off.
Another massacre
Another massacre
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Kofi Annan, the UN Secretary-General, has called for a full enquiry into the incident.
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Meanwhile the attacks by Israeli aircraft in Gaza and the shelling incident on the beach have caused the militant wing of Hamas, Izzedine al-Qassam Brigade, to call off its self-imposed 16-month truce and launch three waves of rocket attacks, although it is claimed by local sources that these attacks did not reach Israeli soil.
It appears to be, for the time being, a measured response to what can only amount to an act of state terrorism, another massacre by the IDF against civilians, whether purposeful of by gross negligence.
While it is difficult to imagine that an Israeli warship would purposefully target Palestinian families enjoying themselves on the beach, it is also difficult to understand how such an act could happen without orders from a senior official, whether on the warship or higher up the chain of command. Or is it a fact that commanders of Israeli warships have the liberty to fire at will against anything that moves?
Whatever the cause of this massacre, a massacre it is and what an irresponsible way to handle affairs at such a delicate moment in history, when the international community is trying to get behind Mahmoud Abbas in building a Palestinian State, when pressure is being placed on Hamas to recognize Israel, whose attacks have caused outrage, shock and awe.
50 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli security forces and hundreds have been injured since Hamas swept to power in a democratic election earlier this year, in January. Not only does this type of disproportionate response to security issues constitute a war crime but it also weakens the hand of the moderate Palestinians and strengthens the hard-liners in Hamas.
If many Israeli human rights groups and MGOs are horrified at this type of incident (although the existence of such pressure groups within Israel does not make the headlines) it is also true that the authorities seem to be blinded by hatred and obviously some of them make more money through the continuation of war than by the institution of peace.
Time for regime change?
Timothy BANCROFT-HINCHEY
PRAVDA.Ru
Russia Backs Palestine’s Plan to Hold Sovereignty Referendum
Created: 09.06.2006 15:53 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 16:06 MSK
MosNews
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Friday that he backed a proposal to hold a referendum on establishing a sovereign Palestinian state. Russia is part of an international “quartet” leading efforts to resolve a long-standing conflict between Israel and the Palestinian territories.
“We hope the Palestinians will make a clear choice, and that the referendum will bring nearer the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state,” Lavrov said. He added that Russia supports efforts for national accord among all Palestinian groups, the RIA-Novosti news agency reported.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has reportedly been planning a referendum for July 31 on a document — drawn up by Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails — that effectively accepts a settlement with Israel for the two states to exist side by side, based on 1967 borders.
He said he would call for the poll unless Hamas, a radical movement that won Palestinian parliamentary elections in January, acknowledged Israel’s right to exist and launched talks aimed at finding a solution. Hamas vehemently opposes the referendum, however, and considers it to be “illegal”, claiming that local laws do not permit holding referendums on Palestinian law.
Miss R,
I Support you.
The first step is that Hamas has to recognised Israel.
About the video, isn’t rare that the ambulance and the girls with the video camera arrived at the same time???
The ambulance actually needs 10 minutes at least to arrived to the beach....
Greeting from Spain . A
all the media here is pro Palestine. The only news of middle east is when Israel kill Palestinian, and there is no news about Palestinian killing Palestinian.
Hello to you in Spain!
And yes, I do wonder if the radical Palestinians staged this. It is mighty convenient to have the camera there at the exact moment.
Given they use their kids as suicide bombers...they don't exactly care much for the welfare of their children. Wouldn't surprise me.
The whole thing rings false to me, most of all the righteous indignation on the part of the Palestinians.
Too bad more Israeli citizens aren't like the daughter of PM Olmert.
She protested this CRIME!
Miss R, and poser from "spain",
You STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED THIS QUESTION.... You continue to SKIRT the issue. Why do you fear it SO MUCH?! Try addressing any one, just ONE of the topics... Since the idiot from "spain" and you seem to be such STAUNCH supporters of RACIST ZIONISM, at the very least you could give your justification, however demented it is...
Again, we patiently await your (ACTUAL) response...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I'm glad you brought that up. Since there is something incredibly OBVIOUS to those who look. The so-called "jews" that you and most people refer to, are NOT semetic. "Semetic people" are what people nowadays refer to as Palestinians. Yes, that's right folks, the people from the land in the middle east, who have lived there for thousands upon thousands of years have BROWN SKIN, and are commonly known as ARABS. The Palestinians and the other arab people in the middle east have not gone anywhere -- they have kept and tended to THEIR LAND for eons. There was a genetic similarity experiment, that uncovered that the true 'israelis' (aka 'semites') who chosen to remain in Palestine/Israel for the last 2000 years, are genetically INDISTINGUISHABLE from Palestinians (aka, one and the same).
Now boys and girls, can you guess who forced this scientific paper to be REMOVED?!
Besides you don't need any fancy DNA test to tell you this obvious fact. Just look at those who claim they are Jews with "Israeli" blood -- they are WHITE, that's right folks, you have the Arabs/Palstinians who are BROWN, and then you have these bunch of posers/fakes who are WHITE and they claim they are the "true"/"chosen" ones...
... who are they kidding?! They are WHITE, several hundred of years ago, the ruler of the land now known as Khazar (southwest USSR or "far-eastern" europe, look it up on the map) were losing their gri6p on their people. And what better way those hundred of years ago (as it is true now, just observe the "fundamental" christian/muslim/jew mass hysteria happening today), than to impose (back then by force) to convert all civilians to Judaism.
These same Khazar (also referred to as Ashkenazi in old literature) have among them the 'Bauer' family (which changed it's name to the 'Rothschild' (i.e. translated from German to mean "Red Sign", which was a 6-sided red star hung over the family's business. There is significance in the number 6, which from traditional christian belief is the sign of the anti-christ (aka devil, b/c christians believe that there 7 holy virtues, and 7 minus 1 = 6, which symbolized Luthifer whom was 'believed' to be once a most holy angel who through lust fell from God's grace, thus he misses one of the 7 holy virtues) This same sign was adopted as the symbol & flag of the newly created 'Israeli' nation, much to the protest of many 'religious' rabbis at the time. This little fact of history has often been neglected.)
You also hear (especially if you study ancient history) of the "Illuminati" or "Masonaries" which are just like the "Rothschild", who were hated in Europe for believing in 'Satan' (they were often called false judea-christians). The Illuminati/Masonaries are basically the active arm of the Khazars/Ashkenazis, aka their 'descendents' -- much like what the Neo-Cons, the notorious Council for Foreign Relations (CFR), and the Cato Institute (all of which are "Jewish" creations, aka Ashkenazi) is today.
This goes back further than 11 Palestinians killed on a beach. US must stop it's blind support. And while we're at it, how about we clean up our own house? Get out of Iraq, stop caging protestors, stop pressuring book outlets to drop the book "America Deceived" by E.A. Blayre III and quit tapping our phones. Israel will over-step and start a mess it cannot get out of.
Support indy media.
Last link (before Israel attacks Google Books):
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9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001
2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000
3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.
4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.
7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969
8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.
10. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."
11. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
12. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI's cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)
13. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.
14. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.
15. "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"
17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.
18. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
19. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.
20. "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [I] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.
21. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
22. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.
23. "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.
24. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]
25. "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).
26. "We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." (Jewish Banker Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate).
27. "We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world." (Chaim Weizmann, Published in "Judische Rundschau," No. 4, 1920)
"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it." Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
Looks like Miss R is lost for words
Anonymous beat me to it.
Israel has never had any regard for palestinian life. Israel has done to the palestinians what american settlers did to the native americans. In this case, the natives fought back. And you have the nerve to say the palestinians are committing the only atrocities?
And to say that every palestinian is teaching their child to be a suicide bomber is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. People should really get a clue on how the world works.
Miss R...
I feel sorry for you. You are deluded and have no clue.
"The Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
-Ariel Sharon
One thing that has to be noted, Isreal does not recognize no Palestinain soveriegn country, nor does it want to recognize one ever. The goal is to slowly but surely kill off all palestinians living in the what is called now Isreal. where the hell is the agreement and the borders that were set when Isreal was created. In what right did England hand over Palestine to the jews in 1948, who the fuck agreed to the belfour agreement from the arab side that were already living in the land. Isreal just picked up when day and started practicing hitler's ways of mass murdering and taking over land and property, drove millions of immigrants out and refused their right to their land and their right to ever come back, unleash cross-border violence against them even. Invaded every single one of it's neighbors since it's establishment. U tell me Isreal wants peace, Isreal does not want peace, and with it's support from the USA (blind idiots) they will get their wish, from the nile (Egypt)to the ufrates (Iraq) which is what every Zionist wants to establish their Greater Isreal at any cost. What peace do the zionist speak of, they don't even know what peace actually means. Every blinded idiot listening to the corrupt media that is controlled by the zionists (CNN BBC ABC NBC FOX, and many others) will never get the story straight and they will always believe the Isrealis are the victims. What would any population do if it's taken over by some immigrants that claim their land, yes all Isreali jews are immigrants (all from Europe, they would fight back at any cost neccessary. wouldn't they, or wait no they won't, the jews are pussies, they would just sit back and take it, remember the holocost, did nothing just walked to their death. at least respect the Palestinias for trying at least and not bending over to the pressure of the zionist controlled west.
Pay some fucking respect...........
Anon, I'm glad you posted those quotes. I believe Miss R is probably like most Americans - a victim of our MSM and therefore a vicarious apologist for the IDF.
Miss R, if you had read more about the Gaza beach shelling that killed the family, you would have discovered that a former Pentagon battle inspector sent to look at the evidence of that shelling said it WAS Israeli shelling that killed them. The wounds were on the torso (not the legs which would have suggested a buried device) and shrapnel was 155mm (which is used by the IDF).
Poster from Spain - the ambulance that came to the beach was stationed near the beach awaiting a call.
Both of you please try doing a little research next time before launching into kneejerk defense mode.
Selective news for Canadians.
I really don't give a shit who is right or wrong. What I do give a rat's ass about is Canwest's propaganda against the Arab world. In fact, Canwest is the the greatest security threat to our country and democracy. They are racist pigs for thinking that Israel has a moral high ground.
The fucking jews are target practicing on a fucking daily basis on school children walking to school, kids playing in the streets, parks, and even beaches now... What would a young palestinian boy that witnessed the Isrealis shoot and kill his father, mother, sister, brother, or all in some cases, u expect him to laugh, to forgive the bastard soldiers who did it, to turn the other cheek, NO HE WONT... He will swear revenge, and suicide bombing is his only option since he has no access to any real weopons... what would be the reaction of any of you readers on this site... how would u like it if I came to your house right now, shot everyone in your family, and claimed your house to be mine because god (MY GOD THAT IS) said so... what god would agree with what the zionist animals are practicing these days.. u tell me...WHAT GOD...
Any population under the same circumstances will fight back against an occupying force... Why would the palestineans be any different...WHY...
fuck ISREAl, fuck it's right to EXIST, fuck ISREAL"S supporters, fuck the USA for supplying the guns and money to ISREAL to destroy property and kill human life, and fuck every single jew that agrees with what the fuck is going on in Isreal or turns the other cheek and let this ethnic clensing take place...
And to the WEST, u wanna fucking fight terrorism, well fuck, it's been right infront of yur fucking eyes for the past 50 years and u dont' stop it, no, u fucking feed them with more weapons and money...
fuck
END it,
Split the fucking land according to the original agreement of 1948 and fuck both sides, just fucking agree to the portion and live in it and stop the fucking blood shed... enough is enough....
That's great that Miss R is now going to Israel. She will now be able to witness, first hand, the racial segregation that is there. Go to jeruselem Miss R and tell me that Muslims, Jews and Christians are equal....
LISTEN UP FOLKS !!! ...Palestinians are NOT the iSRAELIS' ONLY victims .... iSRAEL has KILLED Americans with impunity... Like Rachel Corrie who was MURDERED by an iSRAELI bulldozer.... http://www.rachelcorrie.org ...AND guess what ?.... the driver was given a hero's medal !!! The jEWS who attempted to BLOW UP American facilities min Cairo .... were SO given medals by iSRAEL !!! .... http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/lavon.html iSRAEL attempted to SINK an un-armed American ship with ALL on board, in
international waters in order to BLAME Egypt..
http://www.ussliberty.org ....
http://www.astandforjustice.org ... Their pilots were Given medals by
iSRAEL .... Time to WAKE UP, Folks ! .... http://wake-up-america.net ...
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For all the pro-Israel fanatics who foam at the mouth that Israel is the victim, how would you like to trade places with a Palestinian for one week? I bet you would do the same things that Palestians do to retaliate against the horrific Israeli occupation. Israel does not want peace. Peace would mean a Palestinian State. Israel would never allow that. Israel's motto is "by way of deception, thou shalt make war". They butcher Palestinians daily for sport, children, civilians and they never get punished. Never! BTW, it is Hamas who abided to the cease fire and never Israel. The Palestinians should be armed equally to the Israelis so they can defend themselves on an equal plane. Until then, Palestinians will use whatever means they have to keep on resisting the brutal Israelis.
"18 months ago Hamas declared a cease-fire. In that 18 months Israel never offered a counter-gesture. The bulldozers kept running, the wall kept growing, the planes kept bombing, the blood of Palestinians kept flowing. But as long as Hamas maintained its cease fire, the world continued to view Israel as the aggressor in the conflict. First Sharon and now Ohlmert find the Hamas cease-fire a major roadblock to escalating the campaign against the Palestinian "demographic threat".
So now we have an "accident", that openly kills 40 Palestinians including babies, and Hamas ends its voluntary cease fire.
So now Israel has an open road to escalate the campaign against the Palestinians.
"Accident" my foot!"
Miss R has what is termed I think
"cognitive dissidence"
she is moral and knows right from wrong, knows it is bad to kill for what ever reason but it's just too painful for her.... too painful to come to the realisation that we are equal. It's fun I guess to thing you are chosed and morally people. hubris I guess
By the way....
how did these guys dig a tunnel 1/2 mile in sand without anyone noticing? any pics of the tunnel? CNN should have been all over it.
Who has this soldier? any pics video dog tags ear fingers?
Isreal has lost this 50 year war and they know it
no one was kidnapped
FUCK THE ZIONAZIS, nuff said.
Miss R is a little like a mafioso---if its HER people being killed, welllll then, let's raise holy hell about it and get all mushy and emotional. BUUUUUT, if those "brown people" (a George Carlin-ism) over there in Palestine are the ones being killed, well, then it's just the cost of doing business. After all, they're subhuman dreck, aren't they now? Zionists want what they want and they want it RIGHT NOW, "brown people" and American soldiers BE DAMNED. The Israelis are the aggressors, end of discussion.
Don't know whether to laugh or cry at some of the comments here.
One of the most powerful armies around (thanks to the US), an occupying power, is bombing the crap out of 1.5 million people and some dare to speak about "self defence".
Who are you kidding Israel and your apologist?
You may own the western media, people are not blind. People see you for what you are en are forming their opinion regardless how much lies you throw at them. Deep down inside they know. Anti-Semitism and emotional blackmail is the only thing you have left and the more you play that card the sooner it will lose its effect entirely. And where will you run too when that day comes?
And I promise you, that day will come. Soon.
BOTH CHRISTIANS and MUSLIMS LOVE and REVERE JESUS... http://www.crescentandcross.com .. The jEWS' holiest book, the tal-MUD, calls Jesus a sorcerer who was buried in a dung heap and now is boiling in hell in his own excremet... http://www.hoffman-info.com/talmudtruth.html
It's time to beome aware of their "mystey" religion and its poliical partner zIONISM .... http://www.iamthwitness.com .... http:/www.marwenmedia.com ...
those who support the killing of the rightful owners of the land ,,and those rightful owners are the palistinians. Those who support the russians or germans what ever those people are the claim to jews are plain and simple misimformed,,thats it and thats all ,,mis-imformed
"treat nonMuslims as second class citizens"
Sounds like another group of people we know of...
Pity that we don't have a more informed blogger than miss R in representing Israel, just shows you how fast a dodgy construction of history/lies holds up to the ever growing hurricane of massmediafiltered info.
I work with a guy X-lebanese rebel who fought against syria 20 odd years back and he's pro-israel, trained by Israel to fight syria and was given all the bullets in the world to keep at it so long as he did't get killed (doubtful if war widow pension applys there) also tells me how jews payed money (and lots of it) for property, now where the hell did they get lots of cash hmmmm??? they look in a pretty dire state when you see post-war photo's, which brings me to another point which might be worth consideration, here we've got a group of people straight out of prisoncamps, if true??? miscalculation perhaps, that are not in a great state of mind, I know a little about shellshock or post.traumatic.stress. symptoms: Paranoia :-persecutory beliefs concerning a threat to themselves or their property, yeah the kind of people you give a country to. Then we have palestinians, islamic based and according to their quaran I've read quite a few instances were the jews have broken gods convenant and where usuary is cursed by god, can't read yiddish yet so I don't know where to turn to get the other side of the story, Bugger me if that's a good idea to create conflict! perhaps we are now seeing a deeper motive to this story who's to gain from war, certainly not the ones fighting it. will it help to boycott israelie imports as I've done for years or is it time that we should push bloody hard to have our seperate countries lay imbargoes upon the state, might enlighten them of the sitaution/seige they impose upon Gaza.
The pro-Israel posters here conveniently neglect to mention the fact that the land belongs to the Palestinians.
But Israel knows how to play the Holocaust Card--"we are humanity's victims forevermore because of the Holocaust..." Even if the Holocaust happened the exact way they say it did, that doesn't give them any excuse to kick Palestinians off of their own land!
Didn't the Jews learn ANYTHING from their brutal treatment at the hands of the Nazis? It seems that all they learned was, "Hey, raw power is effective!"
And we're supposed to ignore the hypoocrisy & double standards of Israel because of this, and also, because they think they're "God's chosen people"?!
And Western media prattles on & on about how Palestinians are religious fanatics! You never hear them mention all the Jewish zealotry and racism. Israel claims to be such a vibrant democracy, yet Jews have more rights than everyone else living there.
The three big reasons so many blind Americans support Israel are these: 1) U.S. media is heavily influenced & controlled by neo-con/Zionist elements, 2) Americans are constantly told about the Holocaust, which eventually translates into, "Those poor Jews...the world really owes them..." and 3) Christians feel closer to Judaism than to Islam.
It's time for U.S. taxpayers to wake up and realize that every year we pay Israel $6 Billion dollars to buy attack helicopters, missiles, build giant walls (when we can't even build levees in our own flood-ravaged cities).
But if you say that, then you also must recognize that Mohammed himself killed 20,000 Jews
Yes, he managed to slit one Jew's throat a day for almost 56 years. Let's see - since he first preached the message of islam when he was 40, that would mean he was still killing Jews when he was 95.
of course, they must have been pretty wimpy back then to let themselves be killed by a corpse (since Mo died long before his 95th bday).
But hey, don't let truth get in the way of your blustery rhetoric.
Too many jews I have observed treat the creation of "israel" not as a necessity but as a quaint luxury, like a cottage, where they can ta-ta acquaintances on the weekened and drawl haughtily: "Off to Tel-Aviv for thr weekend daw-link"...ASnd they are willing to lie, cheat, steal, deceive and put the whole world in jeopardy for this
desire - not need -..desire...They act more and more like narcissistic sociopaths. I ahve totally changed my opinion of jews and israel since seeking out media other than those owned or produced by those with jewish surnames. In regards to Western media: Palestine aint the only thing being occupied by jews....I smell a rat. Or two.
>>>you got to laugh at that "antisemtitism" shtick. how stale. how passe. how weak and indefensible. barking that same meaningless gibberish, thinking it somehow holds any integrity or power. Do these ZioNuts have no shame? They do yammer on like automatons, do they not. Oh well, justice will be meted out by a world tired of ZioNut crimes against EVERYONE, whether the automatons continue to stammer insanely, or not.
Regarding an earlier comment about Israel giving all of its citizens 100% equal rights, - arab Israeli do not have the same rights as Jewish Israeli or even Jewish non-Israeli. Read the fucking laws of Israel. In fact, there is a distinction between one kind of Jewish Israeli and other kind of Jewish Israeli. Israel is a racist and religious state based on majoritarism and race and shares little to no values with the United States (the US a democratic republic without state established religion or racial discrimination). Period.
As for Hamas, just remeber who supported Hamas when PLO rose to power,- surprise, surprise,- Israel. Israel wanted Hamas to weaken PLO so that Palestinians would not have a united voice and make Israel follow its commitments. Israel essentially used Hamas to divide Palestinians (as it does not giving civil fights between Fatah and Hamas, this time it supports Fatah) and in the meantime stole Palestinian lands. You can say that Israel, with the help of the US, succeeded.
Anti-zionist is not anti-semitism. Anti-semitism invokes hatred of jews for who they are, not for their aspirations for homeland (anti-zionism). I am all for jews having their own country but you simply cannot build your happiness on bones of other people. Therefore, I am anti-zionist. I do understand their sufferings in the past but that does not give them a blank card to abuse Palestinians. As I see it now, they are just one step short from building concentration camps for Palestinians and gasing people in gas chambers,- exactly the same thing Nazi did to Jews just 50 years ago.
Lastly, it is true that some land (<5% of present day Israel and occupied territories) was legally bought by Jewish immigrants, however, buying a land and setting up a country are totally different issues. I wonder how Americans would whine if Arabs buy a chunk of land in DC and declare a country. We all know what happenned when Arab company wanted to buy the US ports.
So quit bitching and read real books about zionism, history of israel and palestine, actual accords and negotiation notes and read reports about how israeli live and how palestinians live. Goebels justified persecution of Jews in the similar manner Olmert justifies persecution (collective punishment) of Palestinians. Also remember, Israel is the occupying power therefore Palestinians have a right to resist. Killing civilians is unacceptable (tell it to Israel that unintentionally kills 10 times more people than Palestinians kill "intentionally") but killing soldiers/politicians is perfectly fine.
PS. I am not an Arab and not religious so keep ad hoc labeling of me as anti-semite (if you understand the true meaning of this word) to yourself. I don't have even a grain of doubt that any objective person who knows about Israeli-Palestinian situation (Chomsky is one of them) finds Israeli behaviour appalling, to say the least.
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To the Jews the rest of humanity are all dung.
They have absolutely no regard or concern for the poor little Palestinian children being killed and disabled by their bombs and bullets or being frightened to the point of becoming emotionally scarred by the noise and the terror of the Israeli attacks. Their always find a logic to justify their war crimes, and it always starts with the same premise:
'Nobody else matters, the rest of mankind are just dung, goyim do not feel pain, they don't really hurt, their lives are worthless, the only true humans are Jews.'
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You're being racist. Not all Jews are like that. There are tons of Jews, both in the US and Israel, who oppose brutal occupation and openly racist policies of Israel. It is true, however, that press in Israel is more open to critize Israeli policies than press in the US. It is also true that American Jewry is father on the right than Netanyahu, a guy, if it were not for the world opinion, would personally hang all Palestinians on the so-loved olive trees (Hitler-wannabe).
Idiots
Idiots
all Idiots
this site is run by Idiots
wake up idiots,
Keys to a safer world:
1.CUT ALL FOREIGN AID TO ISRAEL
(just saving 2 billion alone is a great start.)
2. This act alone keeps American politicians from doing every deed imaginable on behalf of Israel. Bribes and side deals are rampant in washington...
way out of control. What ever happened to serving the citizens of THIS country?
3.The USA really needs to re-examine it's foreign policy in the Mideast....After all,Where does it say in our constitution that we are supposed to protect the whole world? George Washington is probably rolling over in his grave after observing some of Bush's B.S. and his trampling on the constitution.... this U.S. manufactured Scare-o-ism of a war in Iraq, and soon to be Iran and N. Korea is getting to be out of control. We definately need a change in Leadership. just some thoughts.
NutenYahoo said that iSRAEL is now in the TOP TEN of the world's richest.... then WHY does America give them MORE aid than ALL other aid recipients in the world COMBINED ??? .... http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm
WHY must Americans pay for iSRAEL ??.... http;/www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=732 ..and... ...t=14307 ... and... p=4540 ...
The Khazars posing as jews have no claim to Palestine. The Khazars posing as jews were the ASHKE[b]NAZIS[/b] Zionist (of which Adolph Hitler belonged) who murdered lots of jews, but not just jews.
Israel is no ally with the United States. Israel has NEVER been an ally of the United States.
EVER.
Take this into consideration. Israelis claim that Palestine has been their land ever since mankind existed. They claimed the Wall of Barak in Palestine is theirs, in the early 90's. And the boycotted and camped on the wall, but when the US and Britain investigated to whom the wall really belongs to they said it rightfully belongs to the Palestinians, and that is just a LITTLE evidence that proves all their accusations are truly and completely wrong. Saying that the Prophet Mohamed slaughtered 20,000 Israelis IS WRONG , the truth is that the old jews that used to live in the Middle East tried to kill muslims by motivating other non-islamic tribes in the Middle East to go into war for their own dirty reasons and not only that but they also tried to assassinate Mohamed many times even during their peace treaty. The muslims did NOT attack them but they in fact told them to leave the Arabs territory because of their many treaty betrayals. As do Jews hold a huge grudge against the Arabs. The reason is that they were predicting that the last prophet would be a Jew. That is why they hate Islam.
How about The Cave of the Patriarchs massacre , Baruch killed all the muslims while they were unarmed and praying peacefully. Israel claimed he had mental problem and did not realize what he was doing. But truth has it that they consider the only loss in that massacre was him because he died during the massacre. They consider him a hero. A role model.
I am a muslim, I used to live in America and there I thought everyone had a kind heart, and everyone was at peace. But truth be told when I came to Palestine, and yes I'm living in Palestine I have truly seen the way a lot of Palestinians suffer. A lot of sad stories have happened lately which make me feel down even thinking about them. It is a daily nightmare to everyone here, because Israelis can just walk in your house and shoot you down one by one without anyone asking them why?
I am not against any religion, I do not hate anyone, or detest anyone. But it is our natural right to defend ourselves against these hardships. And if you think otherwise while then come here and feel a mothers burning heart over losing her child. And there is plenty of that around here.
Just a couple months ago, Israeli soldiers entered the Arab market and shot little kids to death and severely injured many more.And they have been forcing us to buy fruits from their lands which are expired, and many people have died due to food poisoning and others severely ill. And they wont stop.
And America is overlooking their crimes. It blindly supports them.
I do not support war. Or bloodshed, I wish for many people just like me to live in peace, but as long as these conditions continue that is apparently impossible.
Red Tulip, you claim that Israel has just been defending itself from us the whole time! Well guess what, Israel has all the military weapons, while we have NOTHING, they have missile weapons as well as the most upgraded weapon technology in all the world. And they refuse that a Palestinian own a mere pistol unless its to kill another Palestinian under their supervision. So tell me, WHAT ARE THEY PROTECTING OR DEFENDING THEMSELVES FROM?
They are not defending, no they are seeking to wipe out the whole Palestinian race.
Do not make false accusations. I am living in Palestine so I'm aware of whats happening here. But you unfortunately are blinded by the lies which those people want you to believe. Therefore I hope you come to Palestine and witness all those massacres and killing up close as we do.
I know that everything I said may be a little harsh , but the truth is harsh.
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