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Humanity Lives on in Britain

There is still hope for humanity in Britain. The craze of Bush and Blair has the world amazed, but not surprised.

Watch the videos.

46 Comments:

At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Whitewraithe said...

Thanks for posting this link. Thousands of Americans should be doing the same. When will our country wake up!

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, I can't imagine why people don't take this web site seriously.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Buck Pennington said...

I've read all your current stuff, up to and including the "Under Public Pressure, Saudis Threaten Regional War" post. And I'm left wondering: just HOW in the Hell can a group of people (since this appears to be a group blog) be SO consistently wrong about SO many things?

You ignore the thousands of rocket attacks launched by Hamas and Hezbollah on Israeli territory in the weeks, months, and years preceeding Israel's current "OK, we've had ENOUGH!" response, the Hamas suicide bombings, the fact Israel is a democracy as opposed to the Hamas "one man, one vote, one time" version of democracy, and I could go on, but won't. You appear to fully support a 7th century culture of violence and repression that has NO concept whatsoever of "tolerance," a culture that encourages its young to "martyr" themselves, a culture whos mantras are "Death to Israel" and "Death to America." Not to mention your predictable side-bar discussions about the evils of America, "corporate dominance," culture of war, and all that.

It truly, truly, boggles the mind. One hopes and prays that you DON'T receive what you appear to be asking for.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Akber said...

'wrong' is a relative word.

Read the Israeli professor's views.

The world is not as simplistic as black and white. That is the root of the problem.

No one on this site supports Hizbullah or Hamas or any other local party/organization. All we do is expose the truth that the mainstream media refuses to expose. The lies, the spin and the dehumanization and slaughter of civilians.

There is a litmus test: if you voted for Bush or support the Iraq war, none of these will make sense, for that shows an introverted sense of the world and evidence of much less exposure to the rest of the world.

The rest of the world and civilized humans will continue to live. The US and Israel has a choice to live in a civilized world or be cast out.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Buck Pennington said...

akber sez: There is a litmus test: if you voted for Bush or support the Iraq war, none of these will make sense, for that shows an introverted sense of the world and evidence of much less exposure to the rest of the world.

Evidence of much less exposure to the rest of the world? Now you're projecting, akber. I voted for Bush, I believe in his policies, I support Israel, I loathe Islamic fundamentalists and I've lived outside the US for 20 years of my life...in London, Paris, Tokyo, Ankara, and many smaller towns in Europe, the Middle East, and Asia.

If your definition of "civilized world" encompasses societies ruled by Islamic theocrats hell-bent on destroying Israel and the US, then I want NO part of it. As a matter of fact, I will ACTIVELY work to ensure such a thing does not happen.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Whitewraithe said...

This guy might be one of those "100,000 apologists" enlisted by Amir Gissin to spam websites.

Or maybe not.

However, it's obvious that we are confronted with another Zionist. It is futile trying to convince this group of people that they are WRONG. Their supremist attitude will never allow it.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Buck Pennington said...

Or maybe not.

Quite right, that.

However, it's obvious that we are confronted with another Zionist.

I've been called many things during my lifetime, but never a "Zionist." But, whatever floats your boat, whitewraithe. It seems you anti-Israeli types derive comfort from assigning labels to people. Perhaps it doesn't occur to you that I'm less of an Isreal supporter and more of an opponent of Hezbollah and others of their ilk who would kill me at the drop of a hat.

It is futile trying to convince this group of people that they are WRONG.

Pot, meet kettle.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Anonymous TheGodfather said...

mans inhumanity to man knows no bounds.....

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Anonymous TheGodfather said...

mans inhumanity to man knows no bounds.....

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Whitewraithe said...

But you're comfortable with Israel's past incursions and present invasion into Palestine and Lebanon, displacing, maiming and killing innocent civilians many whom are children.

C'mon - what kind of person are you? Totally inhumane!

I know both sides of this story (Israeli & Palestinian) and any rational person with any sense of common decency and charity would not condone Israel's actions of mass genocide, no matter how just they might be.

But the fact is - Israel covertly planned to attack Palestine and Lebanon at least a year ago if not longer; but whether it was due to their claim that they were wary of Hezbollah's resistance build-up remains to be seen.

Another fact is - Zionist Israel wants the entire region of Lebanon and Palestine. Biblical history adamantly states they have no right or claim to this part of the Holy Land. Furthermore, 95% of Israel's population is descended from the Khazars, European Ashkenasi Jews, who converted to Judaism.

This insane ideology that present day Jews are related to the Biblical Judeans is false. Zionism fabricated this lie so that the whole world would comply with their demands.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

buck pennington,

Peddle your tripe elsewhere. Any honest person with a moderate understanding of the history of this conflict and any sense of justice knows that Israelis are an aggressive war-like people who consistently lie to everyone around them in an effort to obfuscate the issues to appear justified in their racist and murderous land-grabbing conduct.

Obviously, YOU are not one of them. But, we can't all be honest - otherwise, hell would be vacant come Judgment Day.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Buck Pennington said...

I assume you're addressing me, whitewraithe, when you say: ...present invasion into Palestine and Lebanon, displacing, maiming and killing innocent civilians many whom are children. and ...Israel's actions of mass genocide... (BTW, you might want to change your nic in the interest of accuracy.)

The "displacing, maiming and killing of innocent civilians" is a direct result of Hezbollah's militarily effective but morally reprehensible tactic of hiding weapons and conducting military operations from civilian areas, up to and including apartment blocks, mosques, hospitals, and schools. The civilian death count would be MUCH higher had not the Israelis dropped thousands of leaflets urging the civilian population to evacute before the onset of military operations. No doubt Hezbollah took advantage of this advance warning as well and got the Hell out of Dodge before the missiles struck. But, the fact remians the Israelis DID try and minimize "collateral damage." One cannot say the same for the katushkas and various other weaponry raining down on northern Israel. Those attacks are simply random in nature and directly target civilians. So much for the humanity of Hezbollah, eh?

C'mon - what kind of person are you? Totally inhumane!

That's an amazing trick you've done there, whitewraithe. You've managed to divine my personality based on a couple of comments posted in a blog. Is this a teachable skill? Coz I think it would sure come in handy in life. Except for the fact that you might, just might, be wrong. Again.

As for your Zionist "rule the world" fantasy, well...it's just that: a fantasy. What color is the sky in your world?

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Anonymous JoeMcCarthy said...

Suporting bush means .....
Supporting ....
fascism
illegal spying on Us citezens
wide spread torture
widespread assinations
throwing away US consitution
Kidnapping of people around the wold including KIDS
state sponser terrrorism
harassment of anti war/ anti bush/ gov opposition.
ignoring international laws, conventions etc
the worst president in US history
christian fundalmentalism
spreading war, death and destruction around the world


Supporting Isreallynaziland means
Supporting
war loving Zionists
wide spread torture
widespread assinations
state sponser terrrorism
ignoring international laws, conventions etc
spreading war, death and destruction
Kidnapping of people including women and kids [and now even taking dead bodies to be used in hostage swaps]
Deliberate murdering of civilians
Bombing of ambulances, UN food convoys, UN posts, fleeing civilians etc
Widespread spying by AIPAC [aka mossad] on the US.
Stealing US secrets/tech.
Illegal use of US supplied military hardware
Widepread shooting of children and adults
High level spying of US gov officals and lobbies on behalf of Isrreallynaziland
Collective punishment
Harrassment of palentians every day.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Anonymous JoeMcCarthy said...

Continued :-
Supporting Isreallynaziland means
Supporting .....

Stealing land and natural resources like water.

planting of false flag events like
bombing of USS liberty [to blame Eqypt], mossad planting of radio transmitted in Libya in the '80 [that led to bombing by US planes],
etc

Illegal stealing of passports of citezens [of other countries eg new zealand, canada etc] for use by its mossad spys/agents.

Distortion of facts by the isreallynazis

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Buck Pennington said...

Forgive me, joemccarthy, but your "facts" (do you call them that?) are such a collection of pure, unmitigated bullsh!t that they are well and truly beneath discussion and/or the time it would take to refute them on a point-by-point basis. You've drunk a LOT of the Kool-Aid, and it shows.

Oh, and "Isreallynaziland." Real cute, that one. You marginalize yourself, and your arguments, when you resort to slurs of that sort. One suspects you are but an adolescent. Just sayin'.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Whitewraithe said...

Yeah, yeah...yeah BP.

As for your Zionist "rule the world" fantasy, well...it's just that: a fantasy.

Fine, whatever. But before you completely dismiss my claim research Benjamin Freedman. He was a former Zionist in Woodrow Wilson's administration who was so disgusted with Zionist ideology, he exposed their plans in a 1961 speech. Also Myron Fagan has a few wise words on the Zionist problem.

The "displacing, maiming and killing of innocent civilians" is a direct result of Hezbollah's militarily effective but morally reprehensible tactic of hiding weapons and conducting military operations from civilian areas, up to and including apartment blocks, mosques, hospitals, and schools.

I would expect a resistance group to operate where it has the most strategic advantage. So, what's wrong with that? Obviously, the civilians wanted them there - for their protection. And if they were hiding weapons - so what! They were hiding weapons in THEIR own country, which should be none of Israel's business. Hezbollah is not bombing their countrymen - ISRAELIS ARE. You're making another attempt to twist the truth, BP, so that it will fit nicely into your belief system. Oh, yeah, the Israeli military really complied when they target fleeing civilians who were doing exactly what they had been told. But, it's also quite obvious that you believe Israel incapable of deceiving the world.

Give it up already! You can't win here.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Buck Pennington said...

I would expect a resistance group to operate where it has the most strategic advantage. So, what's wrong with that?

Nothing, other than being morally reprehensible, as I stated. You decry the actions of the Israelis (civilian deaths) then dismiss the root cause of those deaths. And you ignore my point about the Hezbollah attacks on Israel: random acts of terror that target civilians. You can't have it both ways, wraithe.

As for Zionist fantasies, past and present. They have always been around, will always BE around. No arguing that. Whether one chooses to believe these fantasies is another subject altogether. You believe, I don't. Perhaps you feel a need to be victimized in one way or another?

Give it up already! You can't win here.

It's not about winning, wraithe. It's about pointing out the inconsistencies and hypocrisy in the arguments presented here. Besides, I have the time (I'm retired) and it's raining outside...so it's a nice day to turn over a few rocks and watch what crawls out from beneath them. Even if those things are...uh...disturbing.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Michael Price said...

Akber:
Thanks for the videos, very encouraging. Shows there's "still some good in this world", as the guy said in the movie 'The Two Towers'.

Wraithe:
Excellent comments.

Buck Pennington:
Are you a Zionist posing as a WASP with that Anglo-Saxon name, Pennington? That's not really your picture, now is it? Most old codgers have the good sense to realize at least some of what's really going on...

Fact: Hezbollah is a Lebanese Muslim resistance group formed during the years when Israel occupied their country.
Fact: The Israelis hold hundreds of Hezbollah prisoners, and all of these were captured in Lebanon.
Fact: Hezbollah captured TWO Israeli soldiers, who were part of a group conducting a cross-border raid INTO LEBANON. They were not captured in Israel! The purpose was to trade prisoners. Israel began to heavily bomb Lebanon, killing hundreds of civilians. After their country was heavily bombed (not before)they responded with rockets into Israel.
Fact: The Hezbollah don't want to destroy Israel, they just want Israel to stay out of Lebanon and leave them alone.
Fact: Hezbollah have never entered Israel.
Fact: The Israelis have killed hundreds of civilians and UN observers despite having HIGHLY ACCURATE precision-guided weapons. The Hezbollah only have small rockets which are very inaccurate.
Who are the real terrorists? The Israelis. Yes, our Zionist-controlled media have some less intelligent people brainwashed into thinking they can do no wrong, and the Muslims can do no right. But most people can see through the propaganda.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Buck Pennington said...

Michael Price sez: That's not really your picture, now is it? Most old codgers have the good sense...

That picture is indeed me, Mr. Price. And thanks for the patronizing semi-epithet "old codger," even though you yourself seem to be in my cohort. And, as a counter-point, it's odd someone with a name like "Price" would be a de facto supporter of Hezbollah. All I can figure is there must be something in the water up there in Seattle, as there seem to be more than a few of your kind in the area.

You say: Fact: Hezbollah is a Lebanese Muslim resistance group formed during the years when Israel occupied their country. True, as far as that goes, which is ONLY factual in terms of the timing. Hezbollah was formed by Iranians and their Shiite Muslim Lebanese sympathizers. (I prefer to call those sympathizers "clients," but that's just me.)

Fact: Hezbollah captured TWO Israeli soldiers, who were part of a group conducting a cross-border raid INTO LEBANON. They were not captured in Israel!

Uh, I suppose this is just more Zionist propaganda? As were reports from the AP, Reuters, and the BBC? You're flat frickin' wrong on this count. Further, when you resort to deliberate distortions of fact, if not outright lies, you forfeit the right to intelligent discussion. You are now dealing in the realm of propaganda. Whether it's explictly or implicitly, you expect me to believe; I choose to call "bullsh!t."

The rest of your "facts" are similarly biased and unsupportable outside the confines of your delusions.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Michael Price said...

Buck:
To answer some of your comments:
just because my name is Price and I'm a white guy (Welsh-American) doesn't mean I'm a racist like you. I consider all people - Lebanese, Persian, Chinese etc. - to be equal. I've been married to a Japanese woman for 31 years, and I enjoy the ethnic diversity of Seattle. I am wise enough to realize that other religions and cultures have their merits. For example, Muslims in the Middle East have better moral standards on average than Americans. At least they're not addicted to booze, pornography, stupid movies and TV programs and junk food.

You really don't sound like a WASP - you sound like a Zionist! For example, Zionists always try to label anyone who doesn't agree with them crazy ("delusions", "something in the water"). That's because you cannot win by fairly debating the facts.
And you're a racist, like all Zionists. You write about the Muslims as if they are not human, as if their lives don't matter. Take a look at some of the photographs on this website...are those little children terrorists?
All the people I know except for Zionists and one or two very stupid people have at least a little sympathy for the Lebanese people, but you put 100% of the blame on Hezbollah, without objectivity. You don't seem stupid, so that leaves one possibility: you are a Zionist.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The katushkas are just inaccurate a bit, they are going after Israeli infrastructure and legit enemy targets. True they might not be most times hitting their targets and sometimes accidently be landing near innocents, but that's just because those rockets are a bit shit.

Israel is killing many more innocents despite it's hi-tech accurate weapons. That's because it's government, intelligence, communications, amateur army and pilots are all a bit shit.

True both sides have a blatant disregard for innocents in the vicinity of the enemy due to varying factors, but Israel seems to have approximately 10 times more disregard.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Michael Price said...

As to the question of where the 2 Israeli soldiers were captured, and the rant that old Buck went into about it:
The Zionist-owned newspapers like the Washington Post reported they were captured in Israel. The CNN reported "at the border". Independent sources such as the Asia Times reported the Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanon.
There is an interesting article about this by a non-Zionist Jewish guy at www.stopwar.com, July 25 edition.

If we search around the internet long enough, we can always find the truth.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Digital Spy said...

Kill the Poor

Efficiency and progress is ours once more
Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Away with excess enemy
But no less value to property
No sense in war but perfect sense at home:

The sun beams down on a brand new day
No more welfare tax to pay
Unsightly slums gone up in flashing light
Jobless millions whisked away
At last we have more room to play
All systems go to kill the poor tonight

Gonna
Kill kill kill kill Kill the poor:Tonight

Behold the sparkle of champagne
The crime rate's gone
Feel free again
O' life's a dream with you, Miss Lily White
Jane Fonda on the screen today
Convinced the liberals it's okay
So let's get dressed and dance away the night

While they:
Kill kill kill kill Kill the poor:Tonight

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Michael Price said...

Sorry, the website I mentioned should be www.antiwar.com, not www.stopwar.com

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger AFCAPTBUCK said...

Racist?? Now you can call Dad lots of things...stubborn, converted (Thank GOD for that!) liberal, and easily aroused by the left...(funny how most of us are when confronted by delusions and attacks based on nothing other than fear of something they don't understand), but RACIST??

Michael Price...I'm sure he's far above answering your slur...but I can't stand it. I won't ever understand the kind of attacks brought on by your kind. Someone attempts (although I can only imagine it's because I can see the entertainment value you so easily provide) to conduct an intelligent conversation pointing out your obvious errors in logic and abuse of "facts" and you resort to name calling. Civil discourse is a lost art...but then again, civil may not be a concept some here even understand...

Good luck in your lives. Enjoy the many freedoms provided by the people who aren't afraid to stand up for what they believe in and have the strength of character to let people like you not sour our belief in a system that lets both sides express their opinions.

Q: How many liberals does it take to screw in a lightbulb??

A: Doesn't matter...they'll never see the light anyway!

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger AFCAPTBUCK said...

If you search around the internet long enough, you can find ANYTHING that will say what you want...

Is that what passes for truth in your world?

Sad...so very sad...

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Digital Spy said...

OK I'll play with the Pennington family. Tell us the facts you believe about the current crisis, its genesis and the current state of play and I will do my best to respond to your facts.
Alternatively, you could call me an insane cocksucker who drank funny water and that might make you feel better but
if your prepared to approach this situation with an open mind and want to debate facts, right now, today then let's go.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger AFCAPTBUCK said...

Ok...digital...

I wouldn't bother calling you names...I prefer to stay above that and I'm going to spend my free time hanging out with my son.

Y'all have a great night...

Sleep well...knowing of course that you are a lot safer than the average Israeli family is, or ever has been for that matter...

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Digital Spy said...

I knew it. Once the facts time to be seriously debated comes along (and I would have approached your data with an open mind too) you back off and retire because you know that you defend the indefensible through a sense of moral superiority that doesn't wash with those that refuse to wear regulation propaganda blinkers.
To the regulars here if you want an insight into the mind of Buck (and probably his family's mindset) just have a read of this post on Buck's blog.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger AFCAPTBUCK said...

Last comment, because I promised my son some quality time...and I keep my promises...

I'll admit to having many questions about policy, motives and sometimes I know my "side" isn't always right...

I believe most of you are caring people with productive lives of your own and want a lot of the same things we all want:
A safe place to live, a quality life for our families, and the right to be left alone to pursue life, liberty and those pleasures that don't hurt others.

I believe the fundemental differences are that I'm willing to see that all those things are paid for in blood. Not always in the here/now, but they were by somebody, somewhere, sometime. If you don't believe that...we can't continue, because you don't understand a fundemental truth.

I'm (obviously) in YOUR country's Armed Forces. I chose this life, as did my father before me, and my brother, and my grandfather. I don't expect that to mean much to this crowd...and that's ok too. But I'm VERY qualified to explain how different things are in the real world and how much they differ from what the MSM shows. Most Iraqi's LOVE us. Some don't, but hell, some of our own citizens don't. But the Iraqi's that do love us do so because they have vision. Vision of what their country could become. And that's the hope we all have.

I don't ever WANT to go to war. I've been there. Because that's what we do. But your military, by and large is a hopeful bunch hoping that we're strong enough to deter those that would do us harm. Some people aren't smart enough and want to test our resolve...

That's their choice...

Our job is to show them, and the rest of the world always watching that we will stand up for what we believe in...and we will prevail. That's what we do...

Good night. Sleep well...

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Michael Price said...

To Zionist pretending to be the son of old Buck (who himself was really a Zionist, not old Buck):

I had all my facts correct. Really, check out the article by Joshua Frank from Tuesday, July 25 on the www.antiwar.com website. Interesting how some American sources (MSNBC) initially reported the soldiers were captured in Lebanon, and then changed their story.

Have you ever wondered how safe some of the families in Lebanon feel, when they hear those powerful Israeli bombs go off? When they see their friends blown to pieces? They are human beings, just as important, just as worthy as Israeli families. There are no 'Chosen Races', that's just an insane delusion. The Nazis had a similar delusion, they thought they were the 'superior race'. In reality, we're all equal - ALL PEOPLE MATTER.

Zionism is racism, and racism sucks.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Digital Spy said...

You are not obviously in my military. The world doesn't revolve around the USA.
You guys don't even know when your allies are laughing at you.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Lori said...

> To Zionist pretending to be the son of old Buck

As a friend of "old Buck" for nearly 30 years, and as a friend who generally disagrees with Buck about most things political, but who holds him in the highest regard nonetheless, I can verify for a fact that "afcaptbuck" is indeed the real life biological son of "old Buck."

The situation in the Middle East makes me sick. All of it. I don't understand it and I never will. It seems to boil down to religion and money and power, as all wars do. It makes me wonder how different things *might* be if women were in charge.

Anyway, although I'm pretty much a liberal moonbat (and learned a lot of my values from "old Buck" back when he was still a liberal), I also served in the U.S. Air Force (and Air National Guard) for 10+ years, and I do agree with "afcaptbuck" about this:

"I believe the fundemental differences are that I'm willing to see that all those things are paid for in blood. Not always in the here/now, but they were by somebody, somewhere, sometime. If you don't believe that...we can't continue, because you don't understand a fundemental truth."

Yep. Bless your freedom, my friends, particularly if you haven't paid a dime's worth of blood or sweat or worry for it. You have NO idea how good you have it.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Buck Pennington said...

You asked for the facts on my side, Digital Spy. Here are a few for starters.

Here Hezbollah tactics explained.

Here A member of the Israeli cabinet, in The Guardian, of all places.

Here While it’s not Hezbollah, it’s “the other white meat,” Hamas. Birds of a feather, and all that.

Here A bit hyperbolic, but none the less true.

Don’t expect a point-counterpoint type of argument from me, Spy. You asked, I answered. Once. I have better things to do than engage in a pointless ‘net argument with you. Do you remember that ol’ politically incorrect saying about arguing on the “internets?” Here’s a refresher if you don’t: “Arguing on the internet is like being in the Special Olympics. Win or lose, you’re still retarded.” I won’t convert you, you won’t convert me. It’s my opinion, however, that you and the other denizens of this blog are VERY misguided, dangerously so.

Thanks, Buck, for the fire support.

Mr. Price, you live in a remarkably binary world for being such a fan of diversity. By that I mean your “you’re not stupid, ergo you must be a Zionist” statement. Codswallop. The rest of your post, as my son accurately noted, is largely beneath response.

In case you’re wondering, I stumbled upon this treasure trove of anti-Israeli BS by chasing up a Site Meter link. A visitor to my blog came from here. Small world, ain’t it?

Hey Lori! Dunno how you got here, but thanks!

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Whitewraithe said...

Ok, everybody, this is my last comment on this topic.

Look at where BP is obtaining his information - A.P, Reuters, the BBC, Wikipedia and the Washington Post. All these sites are Zionist owned, operated and censored.

Instead of questioning whether or not the information is credible, he should be doing the research especially in light of the fact that so many believe otherwise. We ALL can't be wrong. That would be a red flag for most people, that things are not as they appear. Obviously, this kind of "thinking outside the box" is uncomfortable and unconventional for many people like BP.

BP's son states that, "If you search around the internet long enough, you can find ANYTHING that will say what you want.... Well, very trustworthy scholars, independent researchers, and prolific authors post on the internet as well, not to mention, the independent media websites like Online Journal, Information Clearing House, Citizens for Legitimate Govt, Globalresearch.ca, and scores of other sites dedicated to legitimate reporting. Are we to believe that all these credible sources are not accurate and authentic because they reside in cyberspace? Reason and logic say otherwise. Another irony is that the independent sources and many theologians are in agreement!

That is astounding.

Writing this comment, Republic Broadcasting Network is live in the background. Ironically, the guest is speaking about the EXACT same topics being discussed here. Coincidence? Not a chance. Everywhere - people are discussing and debating the same issues.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Michael Price said...

I do appreciate how good we have it here, and that's why I hate to see our freedom gradually slipping away. My family has as strong a military tradition as the Penningtons, but I was also raised to believe in honor and ethics. My (British) uncle volunteered to help fight the facists in Spain in 1937, he later died in 1940 in Belgium fighting the Nazis, and my father was permanently disabled in WW 2. My family paid the price for freedom as much as anybody.

Bombing innocent civilians (600+ dead now in Lebanon) goes against common decency and any ethics of war. Nor is there any honor in the Iraq war, which was based on lies about nonexistant weapons of mass destruction. 100,000 Iraqi civilians dead - at least 250,000 injured, according to the UN - where's the glory in that? Seems more like something Nazi Germany would have done.

It takes courage to fight an enemy that can fight back, like Germany or Imperialist Japan in WW 2, but it took little courage for the US to take on Iraq, especially since its population had been half-starved by sanctions. Lebanon, which doesn't even have a real airforce, is obviously no match for Israel, with its powerful airforce and its advanced weapons of mass destruction.

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Buck Pennington said...

Whitewraithe sez: Look at where BP is obtaining his information - A.P, Reuters, the BBC, Wikipedia and the Washington Post. All these sites are Zionist owned, operated and censored.

And then: the independent media websites like Online Journal, Information Clearing House, Citizens for Legitimate Govt, Globalresearch.ca, and scores of other sites dedicated to legitimate reporting. Oh MY, those are all well-known household names, now aren't they? You left out www.IReallyHate Israel.com and www.IAlsoHate America.com...

Say WHAT? All my sources are "zionist owned and censored?" Girl, pass me that pipe. That HAS to be great shit!

Michael sez: Bombing innocent civilians (600+ dead now in Lebanon) goes against common decency and any ethics of war

As does hiding amongst civilians and conducting military operations from schools and mosques. But hey, we've talked about THAT already, haven't we?

 
At Thursday, July 27, 2006, Blogger Digital Spy said...

Statements from the first link you posted are in italics.

Guerrillas like to hide behind civilians.

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Israeli troops used Palestinian civilians as human shields and forced them to participate in dangerous military operations during the Israel sweep through a refugee camp in Jenin last month, according to a report released Friday by Human Rights Watch.
- CNN

The report refers to allegations from the Palestinian Authority and human rights organizations that, in the course of its operations, the IDF engaged in unlawful killings, the use of human shields, disproportionate use of force, arbitrary arrests and torture, and denial of medical treatment and access. Among the examples and descriptions given in the report are the following:
- United Nations

Here's testimony collected from quite a few Palestinians used as human shields by the IDF during operations
- BT'SELEM

Those who have visited any Hezbollah installation in Lebanon over the years always remark on the fact that there are families, women and children, in and around the place.

You are aware that Hezbollah operates hospitals, schools, has a TV station, etc aren't you? While the above statement isn't an outright lie it's a cheap shot.
- BBC News

That's only the first four paragraphs of an article that just continues on in he same vein peddling the same tired old easily disprovable lies, exagerrations, and half-truths.

 
At Friday, July 28, 2006, Blogger Buck Pennington said...

From the BBC article you linked, Spy:

It also dreamed of transforming Lebanon's multi-confessional state into an Iranian-style Islamic state, although this idea was later abandoned in favour of a more inclusive approach that has survived to this day.

The party's rhetoric calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. It regards the whole of Palestine as occupied Muslim land and it argues that Israel has no right to exist.

The party was long supported by Iran, which provided it with arms and money.


These are the guys you're supporting? Really, now.

And your Human Rights Watch stuff? Aren't they also the ones who rail against "torture" in Gitmo? Yeah, I almost (but not quite) believe those guys... It's a matter of being quite selective in the alleged abuses the organization reports upon. While they have, on occasion, taken the Iranian theocracy to task for egregious HR violations (like the hanging of two boys for homosexual activities), they are mostly quiet when it comes to offenses committed by the "oppressed." The oppressed, after all, are justified because they're, well, oppressed.

This is my last volley with you guys. You're beyond hope.

 
At Friday, July 28, 2006, Blogger Digital Spy said...

I thought the BBC had no credibility and where the mouthpiece of evil? I expected you to have a go at the BBc article due to its content but it seems you will only call it anti-semetic and pro-hizbullah when it doesn't support your views.
Is that a bit of christian hypocrisy I smell there?

BTW Jesus was the son of a menstruating whore.

 
At Friday, July 28, 2006, Blogger lesliemai said...

i agree mr price, but unfortunate white people seem pre occupied with bombing and killing of brown people. had the anglos not come to our lands, re drew maps , and not did that white man burdon thingy, alot of this would not be happening. perhaps if western women took care of ther children instead of use daycare, the men would work harder, and be too tired to consider fighting us ' rag heads ' please white warriors leave our lands,, quit bombing us, go home to your families, your pop culture, your plastic nation, go home to your shayton riba, go home yankee & zionists & and britian,, you cause too many problem already

 
At Friday, July 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Deuteronomy 7:2
And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee;
thou shalt smite them,
and utterly destroy them;
thou shalt make no covenant with them,
nor show mercy unto them:

Deuteronomy 7:3 (Racial Purity Law)
Neither shalt thou make marriages with them;
thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son,
nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.

Deuteronomy 7:5
But thus shall ye deal with them;
ye shall destroy their altars,
and break down their images,
and cut down their groves,
and burn their graven images with fire.

Deuteronomy 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God:
the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be
a special people unto himself,
above all people
that are upon the face of the earth.
==================================

These are the guys you're supporting, Buck Pennington? Really, now...

 
At Friday, July 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To everyone that has traveled the world riding around on the taxpayers backs by being in the military like pennington thinks its great...thanks for nothing, I'm so much freer now that I have you riding around on my back!! I never realized the my freedeoms exist in other countries, that's why we have you to go and murder there!!

 
At Friday, July 28, 2006, Blogger Digital Spy said...

Pennington is just a shill. He helps disburse US/Israeli lies (probably with the assistance of Megaphone). He is prepared to quote from a news source he has previously labelled as unreliable terrorist sympathisers when their supposedly anti-israeli message suits his prejudices (hypocrisy is a christian tool of the trade after all).

He also is prepared to support people that believe his lord and saviour was a sorceror, blood magician, son of a niddah (conceived during menstruation), and that he was the bastard son of Joseph's best man and all the other evil things that they say about Jesus. He would also not be prepared to comprehend that muslims accord Jesus respect as a great teacher/prophet as that would turn his narrow and unenlightened world on its head.

In his world what i said above makes me the anti-semite/anti-christian and his allies will remain blameless because he probably won't even attempt to research the claims I have made. If he does attempt to research them he would probably stop as soon as he read "The Arabs want to push all the Jews into the sea", all the while ignoring the fact that the Zionists never made this claim until after they had attempted to push a population into the sea and failed!

Hypocrisy, lies, and obfuscations are all Israeli stock in trade. I just hope he is a Megaphone user because I would be prepared to bet that it does more than it claims.

Anyone here a linux user?
if so IM me
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again remove my_pants for communication ;)

Also if you want to know how to run all of the above IM protocols all at the same time in the same client then just ask and I will help you to the best of my ability.

 
At Friday, July 28, 2006, Blogger Digital Spy said...

WHOOPS

The only address that I receive emails from in the list above is digitalspy@no_pantsgmail.com
sorry for the confusion. All of the other accounts are just to allow comms with IM users on different networks.

 
At Sunday, July 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just read through those comments above. Wow, a real battle of the intellectual titans, huh? When do you think they'll start throwing feces at each other?

 

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