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The Feds take on 9/11 Truth - and fail miserably

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
--Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 - 1860)
The second stage of Truth has begun.
In the wake of growing skepticism, the U.S. government is taking the unusual step of responding to conspiracy theories about the Sept. 11, 2001, destruction of the World Trade Center.
Notice how the creeps at WorldNetDaily describe the government's response to challenges from its citizens as 'unusual', as if the government somehow exists in a vacuum, without the need to constantly legitimate itself before the eyes of its citizens. According to these bozos, those who don't believe the government's insane explanation for 9/11 don't even deserve to be acknowledged with answers.
The National Institute of Standards and Technology, or NIST, headquartered in Gaithersberg, Md., investigated the causes of the collapse of the twin towers. Yesterday NIST announced it had posted a "fact sheet" addressing alternative theories about the World Trade Center fires and collapse.

The government's response comes in response to accusations and suspicions of increasing numbers of Americans that the official explanation of the events of Sept. 11, 2001 – that 19 Muslim terrorists hijacked four U.S. jetliners and crashed them into the World Trade Center and Pentagon, with a fourth being downed in rural Pennsylvania – are wrong. In fact, a shocking new Scripps Howard poll shows a third of Americans believe the U.S. government was complicit in the Sept. 11 terror attacks.
This is no joke, folks. That's an astounding figure for believing - not merely negligence on the part of the government - but COMPLICITY. The emergence of this government fact sheet is a sure sign that the government FEARS us. It's a last ditch effort to appease the masses. But, a miserable one at that.

You can go through the whole tedious morass of conclusory assertions on your own. I will highlight their answers to just two very important questions to demonstrate what a disingenuous load of crap it is.
13. Why did the NIST investigation not consider reports of molten steel in the wreckage from the WTC towers?

NIST investigators and experts from the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) and the Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEONY)—who inspected the WTC steel at the WTC site and the salvage yards—found no evidence that would support the melting of steel in a jet-fuel ignited fire in the towers prior to collapse.
That's because they weren't looking!
NIST considered the damage to the steel structure and its fireproofing caused by the aircraft impact and the subsequent fires when the buildings were still standing since that damage was responsible for initiating the collapse of the WTC towers.
Who wrote this nonsense?!! A fifth grader? What kind of crackerjack scientist begins by assuming that which he purports to conclude?
Under certain circumstances it is conceivable for some of the steel in the wreckage to have melted after the buildings collapsed. Any molten steel in the wreckage was more likely due to the high temperature resulting from long exposure to combustion within the pile than to short exposure to fires or explosions while the buildings were standing.
Combustion within the pile? With what oxygen??? What a joke.

But, wait it gets better. Listen to what they have to say about WTC7.
14. Why is the NIST investigation of the collapse of WTC 7 (the 47-story office building that collapsed on Sept. 11, 2001, hours after the towers) taking so long to complete? Is a controlled demolition hypothesis being considered to explain the collapse?

When NIST initiated the WTC investigation, it made a decision not to hire new staff to support the investigation. After the June 2004 progress report on the WTC investigation was issued, the NIST investigation team stopped working on WTC 7 and was assigned full-time through the fall of 2005 to complete the investigation of the WTC towers. With the release and dissemination of the report on the WTC towers in October 2005, the investigation of the WTC 7 collapse resumed. Considerable progress has been made since that time, including the review of nearly 80 boxes of new documents related to WTC 7, the development of detailed technical approaches for modeling and analyzing various collapse hypotheses, and the selection of a contractor to assist NIST staff in carrying out the analyses. It is anticipated that a draft report will be released by early 2007.

SIX YEARS to conduct an investigation of an event that has so far plunged US into two wars and consumed hundreds of thousands of lives???

Then they brag about reviewing 80 boxes of documents in one year? A team of 8 lawyers in New York can devour 8o boxes in ONE WEEK.

Americans can walk on the moon and conduct stem cell research but they can't timely investigate the crime scene of the single most devastating attack on domestic soil in the history of our nation because they "made a decision not to hire new staff to support the investigation"? Whose decision was that? A banker's?

Or was it the Chief Executive who 'decided' it was more important to execute a war on a nation he concedes had NOTHING to do with 9/11? And another nation that was harboring a person who the FBI concedes it has no evidence to link to 9/11? When will the madness end?

The current NIST working collapse hypothesis for WTC 7 is described in the June 2004 Progress Report on the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster (Volume 1, page 17, as well as Appendix L), as follows:
  • An initial local failure occurred at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris-induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event) which supported a large-span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 square feet;
  • Vertical progression of the initial local failure occurred up to the east penthouse, and as the large floor bays became unable to redistribute the loads, it brought down the interior structure below the east penthouse; and
  • Triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of floors 5 and 7 that were much thicker and more heavily reinforced than the rest of the floors) resulted in a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.
This hypothesis may be supported or modified, or new hypotheses may be developed, through the course of the continuing investigation.

In other words, they're making sh*t up.

By now, our government is renowned for its world-class ineptitude. But, they really out-did themselves with this fact sheet.

The madness won't end until 'we the people' put a stop to it.

Prepare for the third stage of Truth. Unfortunately, the liars will not go down quietly.


At Thursday, August 31, 2006, Blogger nesNYC said...

The lies just keep coming! What's sad is that the pro-government types eat this shit up in a heartbeat without critically putting it through evaluation. The government is a master at knowing and lying to its subjects.

At Thursday, August 31, 2006, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

It is my sad duty to inform you all that having read your blog, I have found you all to be mentally retarded.

I have e-mailed all your parents and informed them that you have been bad, stupid children, and embarrasment to your families and have been playing on the internet again.

You can expect that your parents will be very angry with you all when you return from your "special" schools tomorrow and that you will have to spend another week in your cages in the basement for your demented antics.

At Thursday, August 31, 2006, Blogger Citisucks said...

Welcome to 1984 (20 years after predicted) and the "ministry of truth" is hard at work. They know that the truth is getting out and they are scared. Everyone, keep telling everyone that you know the truth.

At Friday, September 01, 2006, Blogger srknl said...

sword of truth,

i cannot speak for the others but for sure agree that i am a delusionary dreamer, living in a fool's paradise hoping that one day, there will be peace, justice and sanity in this world. if u think that is mentally retarded or demented, so be it, it is your perception and i am not out here to change it.

I come to this blog because it gives me hope, hope that maybe someday these/our voices will be heard and this world might be a better place for our children to live in.

I would not call us (those who visit these sites and leave comments) mentally retarded or demented but hopeless dreamers who dream that maybe someday we can all live without the fear of losing our children, parents, brothers, sisters, spouses or other loved ones in a "terrorist" attack be it by the followers of Islam or by the "so-called" educated and civilised world.

But i guess till such time as we have intolerant people thinking that other people's hopes, dreams and different point of view are retarded or demented, there is little hope for this world. Thanks for waking me up from my delusional dreams.

At Friday, September 01, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

Sword of truth? more like a BB gun of lies.

Go home, you twit. Your feeble-minded sarcasm is wasted here.

At Friday, September 01, 2006, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

When I see a building collapse, I ask a structural engineer what happened. When you guys see a building collapse, you take whatever the neo-nazi movement says as gospel. Yet you call me dim-witted?

You can't even begin to appraoch my blazing intellect until you learn to differentiate between a PhD Engineering diploma and a swastika armband.

As long as you continue to accuse thousands of law enforcement officers, firefighters, rescue workers and US and Canadian servicemen of violating thier oaths of service, committing treason, murdering and covering up the murders of thier countrymen with absolutely no evidence whatsoever, then I can continue to call you back-stabbing, swastika-swinging hitler-hieling $#!+s whatever I want.

I will try to contain myself to single syllable names, however. I do have some respect for the mentally retarded.

At Friday, September 01, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

sot, you're a moron, evidenced by your delusion that you think anyone is accusing thousands of law enforcement officers, firefighters, rescure workers, etc., of anything.

9/11 was an inside job (i.e., some 'person' or 'persons' in positions of power orchestrated it), evidenced by the so-called 'spontaneous' but clearly controlled demolitions that were so obvious that only someone either brainwashed or complicit could not see it.

take a hike. the maggots are oozing out of your brain and on to my blog.

At Friday, September 01, 2006, Blogger Gamble Online said...

Hey "CornHole of Truth", did you get a real sharp headache as you were reading your first story of truth? Then you had to quickly stop so the headache would go away?
"'Tis better that a man keep his mouth shut for fear of being thought an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt."

At Saturday, September 02, 2006, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

Srknl - Your post is the biggest pile of self-serving hypocritical bull___ I've seen all week.

You adopt a conspiracy theory that holds that the jews were behind 9-11 (and basically everything else) and march in lock-step with admitted white supremacists like Nazinyc and you dare to call yourself "tolerant"?

There's a special place in hell for scum like you.

Qrswave - Except for the REALLY insane conspiracy whackos who have suggested that captured UFOs were used to fake the attack, there has been no scenario suggested that wouldn't involve thousands of law enforcement, firefighters, rescue workers and US and Canadian servicemen knowing and actively hiding the evidence.

If you're going to go about staining the honor and memory of these men and women, at least have the balls to acknowledge it. Especially since it's so blatantly obvious.

Everyone else - On my side I have virtually the entire membership of the American Society of Civil Engineers. You know... the people who actually study buildings and what makes them stay up or fall down.

You have... the Ku Klux Klan and the Nazi party.

Don't you think there's something seriously wrong with this picture?

At Saturday, September 02, 2006, Blogger srknl said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

At Saturday, September 02, 2006, Blogger srknl said...


I had posted a comment in response to your last comment but then realised that your indiscriminate, non-sensical ranting and raving is
not even worth a thought out reply, so deleted it.

But i do want to let you know that you are NOT a mind reader so please do not tell me what thoughts or beliefs i have adopted or have.

As for place in hell, only time will tell, NOT YOU !!! That I do believe !!!

At Saturday, September 02, 2006, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

Five years after 9-11, only one structural engineer has come forward to question the "official" version of 9-11. Even then, he was brought forth by someone known to have lied multiple times about the credentials of alleged engineers, so at best you have a 50/50 chance of having just one structural engineer. I asked a real live engineer about the 9-11 conspiracy theories and he told me that the science behind the "official" version is so rock solid that any one who questions it is on the same level as the flat earthers.

The 9-11 denial movment was founded by the nazis. You signed on after the fact. You joined them, not the other way around.

The fact that you willingly march alongside the Klan, turning against your country in a time of war and accuse its soldiers, police officers and firefighters of murdering thier brothers and the citizens they swore to protect against what has been scientifically established beyond reasonable doubt speaks very poorly of your critical thinking skills and your moral character.

Only hate can make a man so blind. You can debate the afterlife until you're blue in the face, but aside from the god Osama Bin Laden or the KKK worships, no deity I know of will let you hate your way into heaven.

At Saturday, September 02, 2006, Blogger structural engineer said...

okay. so not only am i a jew, and not only do i hold a PhD in engineering from MIT, i also happen to be a gainfully-employed structural engineer who was on spring and varick when the first plane hit the tower. i watched the entire event unfold. the second that the first tower collapsed, i was in complete disbelief. not only was i shocked to see the tower crumble, i was amazed at how fast it fell. it actually fell about as fast as concrete would fall in a vaccum. without demolition, the building would have taken considerably longer to fall and it would have been a hell of a lot messier. it would NOT have fallen into it's own footprint. this can be seen in the initial leaning of the top of the tower. had the supports not been pulled from beneath it, it would have fallen all over wall street. look up gallileo's law of falling bodies. it's an undisputed law of physics. or i guess i should say "until now, undisputed" seeing as the NIST is disputing it in it's "official story." that said, i have been skeptical of the official story ever since 10 am on 9/11/01. i also remember hearing on the radio later that day, that the fourth plane was shot down. the story of it being "taken down" didn't come out until a few days after that. it wouldn't look nice if our government shot down a plane full of civillians, so they changed the story. how quickly we forget.

so needless to say, as a jew, i don't generally subscribe to nazi ideals. i have been looking for the real story since the event took place. i have a solid understanding of physics and the official story is downright insulting to my intelligence. it should be to yours, too. the most important part of the story is that no investigation began until all of the evidence was carted away to jersey and destroyed. how could an investigation yield any legitimate answers without access to evidence. did the NIST get their info from watching TV? sword of truth, man. unbelievable. my heart goes out to you.

At Saturday, September 02, 2006, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

So a jewish structural engineer starts a blogger profile within the last 6 hours, and without even setting up his blog, comes straight here to dispute my claims.

What a convenient coincidence.

Setting up false identities to agree with yourself is pretty pathetic if you ask me.

At Saturday, September 02, 2006, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

BTW, you shouldn't have given your sock puppet a religion.

That made it waaaaayyyy too obvious.

At Saturday, September 02, 2006, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

Oh... one more thing Mr. jewish engineer.

Please show me the calculations you used in determining that the kinetic energy of 120,000 tons transitioning from a static to a dynamic state was not a factor in the collapse as the comtrolled demo theory claims.

Please be concise and show me all your math.

At Saturday, September 02, 2006, Blogger Nose Cone said...

SOT wrote:
there has been no scenario suggested that wouldn't involve thousands of law enforcement, firefighters, rescue workers and US and Canadian servicemen knowing and actively hiding the evidence.

Why do you think the building collapsed on all the firefighters who were hearing and talking about explosions on their walkie-talkies? Because they were also saying things like 2 hoses would put out the fires on the 78th floor, and they were hearing explosions in all parts of the buildings. They died because they were NOT complicit, and their testimony could have exposed the reality of what destroyed the buildings.

"New York's mayor Giuliani had been told that the World Trade Center Towers needed to be dismantled no later than 2007 because of corrosion and that controlled demolitions could not be employed because of the health hazard. Though the twin towers cost 1.2 billion to build, the estimate to dismantle and remove them was ten times that amount! Talk about having a motive to create a diversion which would cover controlled demolition, which could be accomplished for a tiny fraction of the cost of dismantling them!
Now we know why "Lucky Larry" Silverstein bought the leases and insured the towers just weeks prior to their destruction! With that condemnation order pending, nobody in his right mind would buy out the leases..."

And there is a TV news footage film from shortly after the "attack" on the Pentagon showing a line of employees of the Pentagon walking along the lawn of the building picking up debris off the grass, and a photo of Pentagon employees carrying a large box suspiciously covered with a tarp. The only piece of plane wreckage at the Pentagon was part of an engine that is NOT from a 747.

Feds also confiscated security camera tapes from a hotel & a gas station with images of what happened to the Pentagon. The employees were warned against telling what they had witnessed.

At Saturday, September 02, 2006, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

I'm still waiting to see those calculations, "Structural Engineer".

I'd also like to see your notes on how you arrived at the values for each of the variables that you used in your calculations.

At Saturday, September 02, 2006, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

Nose Cone, I said before that I want to hear from strcutural engineers how and why the buidlings collapsed. Now it appears that we have a structural engineer right here willing to share his training and experience with us. I'd really like to see his calculations showing that the "official" model of the collpase is innaccurate.

And besides, you and I both know that you wouldn't be going after Larry Silverstien if his last name was "Smith" or "Jones".

At Monday, September 04, 2006, Blogger brian traynor said...

I guess all the "engineers" at the
NIST forgot to read the radio
transcripts that were released by
the NYFD of calls from inside the
towers. One brave fireman called in
from the 78th floor of the south
tower to tell his captain that
--qoute--"There are two isolated
pockets of fire. I think we can knock it down with one hose." -unqoute. So how is it that a fire
that supposedly was hot enough to
melt steel beams could be put out
by two guys with a hose?! Oh yeah,
the south tower collapsed less than 20 minutes later. SOURCE:

At Tuesday, September 05, 2006, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

Two small fires huh?


That was tooooooo easy. That hooded white bedsheet seems to have cut off the air supply to your brain.

And when am I going to see those calculations and variables from "structural engineer"?

At Tuesday, September 05, 2006, Blogger Bustaballs said...

That wasn't very long after the impact. Take a look at these papers and videos by physics professors and engineers, etc.


9/11 Truth on CSPAN

A couple of nice papers:



At Tuesday, September 05, 2006, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

Are structural engineers high in saturated fats and choloesterol or something?

I ask because all those links you posted are 100% structural engineer free.

If you're so sure of what made those buildings collapse, shouldn't you be able to find at least ONE guy who is an expert in, like, you know.... buildings to back your sh_t up?

At Sunday, September 10, 2006, Blogger Milton said...

Why don't you find a guy who can explain how the fires became hot enough to melt iron sot? You yappy yuppy troll fascist propaganda spouting sycophants are real good at misdirection and obfuscation, lets see you deal with World Trade 7's collapse. While you are at it why don't you tell us why only World Trade Complex buildings were destroyed even though other buildings were closer in proximity?

You don't have to be an engineer to know what it takes to melt metals, construction workers know that kerosene and office furniture won't melt iron. In fact anyone who can read can discover that iron melts at 1538 degrees Centigrade or 2800 degrees Fahrenheit.

At Sunday, October 01, 2006, Blogger CynthiaAdams said...

Although I also have many issues with our current government, I don't believe the evidence supports an automatic indictment against the Bush Administration directly. It is conceivable that the terrorists themselves--if there were such people in actuality--or accomplices of the terrorists set the charges bringing down the towers. This would be consistent with guerilla warfare tactics which often set a secondary attack to kill the rescuers--read about this in Tom Clancy books years ago, but apparently it is a common tactic. If there was an accomplice watching from the outside, they could have seen the South tower top begin to sway, then detonated the South tower. Since the WTC7 did not fall until 5pm or so, maybe the terrorists were waiting for another plane to hit it also, since there were a lot of gov't offices--including CIA undercover station--in there. This idea is only posited as a possible. It seems clear that there were secondary explosions of some kind because many, many witnesses remarked about them at the time. Since the WTC7 building was not even hit by a plane, and normal gasoline doesn't cause that kind of super-hot fire, it must have been exploded. We can't yet decide who did it or how, but there were many opportunities for multiple players to have set explosives in the buildings. They were transitioning to a new Head of Security for the Towers--John Oneill, former FBI deputy director who died in the attacks. Also, there had been several evacuation drills in the preceeding weeks, lasting for several hours in total, and there were FEMA drills planned for 9/11, with setups taking place the day before. Also, it is possible the new Security company they had hired to implement new computer security systems in July had opportunities. Also, let's be honest, anybody, foreigners included could have been hired on in the months previously as janitors, or even security guys, with all the keys necessary to gain access to elevator bays to plant explosives to bring them down. Another idea is that the bad guys dressed up as firemen, hauling in explosives disguised as 'rescue equipment', after the towers were hit, and then left and detonated them from elsewhere. They would not have needed months of planning --they did not care if they fell into their own footprint. They may not even have left before they fell. My point is there are no documents, no plans from CIA or FBI rogue agents, no evidence connecting the government with these acts. All we have is smoke and mirrors and suspicions. Yes, they benefited--but so did Osama. Yes they were warned and they didn't stop them--or even try to. Yes, they have blocked release of information and tried to shut down inquiry and ignored many many witnesses--but they are a paranoid administration. They won't even release Reagan's presidential tapes and papers! Yes, they act guilty, but we aren't really sure of what, yet.

I have reviewed a lot of the scientific evidence and I conclude the towers did not fall just because the airplanes hit them. If they did, then why didn't the Pentagon also collapse, but WTC7 did? Something wrong there--maybe the terrorists got their instructions wrong--blew up WTC7 instead of the Pentagon. However, I still don't see a clear implicator for Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rumsfeld, or even for gov't agents actually ordering these hits. We need proof, not just questions. Trust me, the folks who stole the White House have not left emails, letters, findings, or plans behind. If they did this, surely they learned from Reagan's Iran-Contra mistakes and left no trail. Those who jump to these conclusions actually hurt the search for the Truth.

At Sunday, October 01, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

"Yes, they benefited--but so did Osama"

Oh really? HOW???

I'm sorry Cynthia, but if you can't see the overwhelming evidence pointing to the Bush Administration and his cronies - it's you who's living in denial.

Someone in this administration KNEW damn well what was going to happen on 9/11. In other words, they were IN ON IT. The only question is WHO???


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