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the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away

Assuming arguendo that God's gift to the Jews was as they say:

Forever? Or just then? Doesn't say, does it?

Example: I gift you with my ranch. 2000 years later, after many sales and changing hands, your ancestors come back to the ranch and kill everyone living there, without warning or provocation. THEY say *I*, meaning ME, gave THEM the land, because I gave it to their ancestors.

Now how much bullsh*t is that? Ever hear of JOB?

The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away[.]
Any way you look at it, Israel doesn't have a leg to stand on.


At Friday, August 04, 2006, Blogger newport said...

You may find Martin Luther's view on that an interesting read.
His letter "On Jews and Their Lies" from 1543 has a different view of that and certainly opposes the popular propaganda...


At Friday, August 04, 2006, Blogger Jeff Bent said...

Even if it were true that Israelis are descendants of the Israelites of 2,000 years ago, no, that would not give them a right to dispossess the current indigenous people of Palestine any more than the Italian shopkeeper in London could begin killing and driving out Anglo Saxons because England was Roman before the Saxons came over. Things change.

Most of the fair skinned Israelis are Khazars of Central Asia, who's ancestors never set foot in the Holy Land but were converts to Judaism. So, how could God "give back" something that was never theirs in the first place? Khazars are simply land thieves.

Since we are using Scripture, have you ever heard the verse: "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie ..."

It is very hard to trace the actual descendants of the Jews who were dispersed in 70 AD, the closest group approaching provable ancestry being the Sephardim, who are a minority in Israel and treated as lower class. Even these don't have a right to steal land from others. In 70 AD God used the Romans to bring judgment against them, killing most of them and dispersing the rest as chattel throughout the empire. Today many orthodox Jews even consider the State of Israel to be an abomination and a counterfeit.

At Friday, August 04, 2006, Blogger HaqqHurts said...

This is a very very well written article from a teacher of mine, who lives in the Bay Area in California. He's an expert when it comes to comparative religions and goes to different churches and universities speaking. He wrote this article and sent it as a Fwd:

An Unholy Alliance
America seems to need someone to hate. It's the American way. If there is no villain, there is no hero. How would we know good if there wasn't evil? Just ask the Native Americans, the blacks, the Japanese, and the Russians. Today, the villain is Islam and the coming together of Jews and Christians to root out this common enemy is truly unprecedented. History, however, has certainly demonstrated that Jews have always hated Christians and vice versa. In fact, the oft-repeated term "Judeo-Christianity" is an embarrassing oxymoron. In reality, both groups are simply using each other to promote their respective agendas.

The Jews' interest in Christians is purely financial. American evangelical dollars fund the back-bone of the Israeli war and propaganda machine against Muslims and Arabs. The Christian Zionists, on the other hand, believe it to be a fulfillment of God's plan that Israel should be protected and defended in order to facilitate a number of so-called prophecies found in the convoluted book of Revelation. What Christians don't tell the Jews, or perhaps the Jews are aware of this and simply don't care, is that according to the New Testament, only 144,000 Jews are admitted into Paradise, and only those who weren't "defiled by women," meaning virgins (women defile men according to the Bible; Rev. 14:4).

This unholy alliance is truly a thing of fascination especially when we consider the vast theological differences between the Jewish and Christian traditions. How exactly do you go from a God who tells Moses to “to utterly destroy the men, women, and children of every city" (Deut 3:6) and who says "I will make My arrows drunk with blood, and My sword shall devour flesh, with the blood of the slain and the captives, from the heads of the leaders of the enemy" (Deut. 32:42) to "love your enemies" in the New Testament? How do you go from God being happy about the smashing of Babylonian children against stones (Psalm 137:9) to "resist not evil and turn the other cheek?" How do you go from "God hates all workers of iniquity; and abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man" (Psalm 5:5-6) to God is Love? If this alliance is not faith-based, then what is it based on? Hatred? Power? Oil? Blood Lust?

I heard a Jewish Zionist say on a television program the other night, "It's time for Christians and Jews to come together as brothers in love and stand united for Israel." Translation: PAY ME YOU DIRTY GENTILES. - Do you think this comment is too harsh? Believe me, when I say that this is only child's play when compared to what the Talmud says about Jesus, Mary, and Christians in general. Jesus is not even called by his real name in the Talmud. According to the Pshitta, the Syriac (late Aramaic) Version of the New Testament (circa 300 CE), Jesus is called Eesho M'sheekha in his spoken language. The Qur'anic appellation, ‘Eesa, is derived from the same tri-literal root. The Talmud, however, calls him Y'shwa – an acronym consisting of the three Hebrew letters yod, sheen, and vaw which stands for “Yamach shmo w'zikro,” meaning, “May his name be blotted out forever.”

Jews are not allowed to pronounce the names of false gods according to the book of Numbers (23:13). Pat Robertson, the host of CBN's “The 700 Club," whom I consider to be the epitome of hatred and stupidity, allows his viewers to go onto his website and ask him questions in a little segment he calls "Bring It On!" So I brought it. I asked him the following question: "Why do Christians support Israel and claim to love the Jewish people when the Talmud slanders the Christian god Jesus by stating that he is ‘boiling in his own excrement in Hell?' Do you support them because of your hatred for Muslims or is it because you agree with the Talmud?” The next day I received an e-mail from the 700 Club that stated, “We regret that we are not able to answer all of the questions submitted either on the air or by letter or e-mail. However, we do thank you for submitting your question.” Well you're not welcome.

But what is the Christian belief about Jews? Paul tells us in 1 Cor. 16:22: “If any man does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (Accursed).” I can honestly say as a Muslim that I love Jesus Christ more than my own self, my own parents, or my own children because this is what the Holy Prophet Muhammad taught us! Love isn't exactly the word I would use to describe the feeling Jews have toward Jesus. The Elder tells us in 1 John 2:22 that anyone who does not believe that Jesus is the Christ is an antichrist – a deceiver (liar). Mainstream Judaism did not recognize Jesus as their long-awaited Messiah. Therefore, according to the New Testament, every single Jew on planet Earth in a deceiver and cannot be trusted.

The Qur'an, however, confirms the Messiahship of Jesus – “he shall be called Christ (al Masih) Jesus the son of Mary…” (Qur'an 3:45). Twice in the Book of Revelation Jesus refers to the Jews as the “synagogue of Satan.” Finally, Paul describes the Jews in his first epistle to the Thessalonians (2:15) as “Those who both killed the Lord Jesus (they're Christ-killers), and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men.” – Yet we Muslims are called the anti-Christ and anti-Semitic?! Do Muslims believe that all Jews are hated by both God and man. Certainly not. Do Muslims believe that Mary was an adulteress and her son a false Prophet? No, again. Despite all of this damning evidence, modern-day evangelical Zionists continue to maintain that the Jews are the chosen people of God.

The paradigm has certainly shifted. It has shifted from Jew vs. Christian, as it was for nearly 2,000 years, to Judeo-Christian vs. Muslim. This unholy alliance is doing to Muslims exactly what Christians did to Jews starting in the first century. They are calling us Pagans, moon-god worshippers, barbarians, child-killers, and terrorists. They plot and plan against us, but God is also planning, and “He is the Best of Planners” (Qur'an 3:54). Their propaganda cannot defeat Truth and know that Islam will ultimately win in the end.

“Both the Jews and the Christians say: ‘We are sons of God, and his beloved.' Say: ‘Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal of all'” (Qur'an 5:18).

At Friday, August 04, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Judiaites continually disobeyed God in the Bible just as they do today.

The Christians perpetrated inhumane cruelty upon ALL God's people for centuries.

I am not familiar with Islam well enough to comment.

But my point is - anyone following man-made RELIGION is being led down a false path, one that does not secure salvation.

I left the church (Lutheran) almost three decades ago due to the blatant hypocrisy I witnessed on a weekly basis.

I'm not a follower, per se, of the Gnostic Gospels but the following quotes from The Gospel of Thomas is more plausible regarding the Creator.

The Kingdom of God is inside you and all around you, not in mansions of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood and I am there -- lift a stone and you will find me. Whoever discovers the meaning of these sayings shall not taste death.

At Saturday, August 05, 2006, Blogger Digital Spy said...

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At Saturday, August 05, 2006, Blogger Digital Spy said...

This may be of interest. The second last paragraph is a beauty. Sorry if it's already mentioned I haven;t time to read through.

At Saturday, August 05, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

hey digital, yeah i blogged that one a few days ago - very interesting.

I think they have their cross-hairs set on the southwest.

At Saturday, August 05, 2006, Blogger Digital Spy said...


This may be of personal interest. I doubt this is the sort of stuff you would blog. It's a link to one of my favourite blogs. Some is far out, some scary, and more than once I have felt shivers down my spine.
Worth an investigation for enquiring minds.

At Saturday, August 05, 2006, Blogger Die for the Elite said...

Childrens Bedtime Stories Presents...

The Protocols of the Neocon Elders as told by US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales

At Saturday, August 05, 2006, Blogger Michael Price said...

Excellent posts by Jeff Bent and by Haqqhurts. The quality of comments and conversation here has improved since anonomous comments are no longer allowed.

At Saturday, August 05, 2006, Blogger Die for the Elite said...

Here's yet another holocaust in Lebanon for Israel Firsters to deny.

Trying to provoke a war with Syria doesn't get much more obvious than this.

At Saturday, August 05, 2006, Blogger wonderwall said...

This was made up when the Jews revised the Bible to their liking, just like they tried to change the Koran.

At Monday, September 17, 2007, Blogger dante11758 said...

I can't believe how ridiculous this blog is getting. A couple of things I'd like to point out:
1) Jesus was a Jew
2) The Romans killed Jesus because he was starting up trouble
3) Jews have never tried to revise the Bible or the Koran. What's the inspiration behind that stroke of genius?
4) Jesus is not mentioned anywhere in our holy books, seeing as they were written a few milennia before

I don't agree with the bombings myself, but it's ridiculous how anyone could be this ignorant.

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