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MLK: a message from the grave

[O]nly when it is dark enough, can you see the stars. And I see God working in this period . . . in a way that men, in some strange way, are responding--something is happening in our world.

The masses of people are rising up. And wherever they are assembled today . . . the cry is always the same--"We want to be free."

[W]e have been forced to a point where we're going to have to grapple with the problems that men have been trying to grapple with through history, but the demands didn't force them to do it.

Survival demands that we grapple with them.

Men, for years now, have been talking about war and peace. But now, no longer can they just talk about it.

It is no longer a choice between violence and nonviolence in this world; it's nonviolence or nonexistence.

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All we say to America is, "Be true to what you said on paper."

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[S]omewhere I read of the freedom of assembly. Somewhere I read of the freedom of speech. Somewhere I read of the freedom of the press. Somewhere I read that the greatness of America is the right to protest for right.

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"God sent us by here, to say to you that you're not treating his children right. And we've come by here to ask you to make the first item on your agenda--fair treatment, where God's children are concerned.

Now, if you are not prepared to do that, we do have an agenda that we must follow. And our agenda calls for withdrawing economic support from you."

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And so, as a result of this, we are asking you tonight, to go out and tell your neighbors not to buy Coca-Cola . . . Go by and tell them not to buy . . . Wonder Bread [etc.]

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[U]p to now, only [some] men have been feeling pain; now we must kind of redistribute the pain.

We are choosing these companies because they haven't been fair in their hiring policies; and we are choosing them because they can begin the process of saying, they are going to support the needs and the rights of these men who are on strike.

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But not only that . . . I call upon you to take you[r] money out of the banks downtown . . . we want a "bank-in" . . . we want an "insurance-in."

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[T]here are . . . practical things we can do. [Build] a greater economic base. And at the same time, [put] pressure where it really hurts.

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I don't know what will happen now. We've got some difficult days ahead. But it doesn't matter with me now. Because I've been to the mountaintop . . . And I've seen the promised land. I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people will get to the promised land.

This is the message I got from Martin Luther King's speech The Promised Land. I substituted/omitted a couple of words that were, in his speech and at that time, directed to a specific cause.

As I read it, his message is timeless and universal. MLK was no fool. He discovered the TRUTH and he was damn good at packaging and delivering it.

The TRUTH is that we the people have the power to defeat these oppressors. Our will is our power; and our labor is our wealth.

The power to resist is in our power to say we don't need your trinkets and toys, we don't need your benefits, we don't need your protection, we don't need your pity. And most of all, we don't need your "news," and we don't need your "MONEY." Enough is enough.

We have the POWER; we only need the knowledge to enable us to make the right choices. The TRUTH is the only thing that can save us now. And we, the bloggers of America, are determined to package and deliver it. You, the readers, must help us reach those who don't have access to the internet.

They killed the messenger; but, his message will NEVER die.

Thank you, MLK. May you rest in peace.

Let's take our country back from those who wish to destroy it and the world along with it.

Let's make America fulfill its promise to US - the people.


At Monday, January 16, 2006, Blogger isaiah14 said...

Martin Luther King was a Communist. This message of his was a message plagerised from a message given by a Baptist minister in 1953. Martin Luther King was a corrupt adulterator and fornicator. The night before he died; he was in bed with three white women. He beat one white women so badly that an ambulance had to be called. Julia Brown, a black woman that infiltrated the communist school in Tennessee for the Fbi; met Martin Luther King at this camp. When Congress was going to vote on making Martin Luther King's birthday a holiday she said that that would be the biggest dis-service to her race in the history of her race. She proceeded to tell how corrupt he was. Martin Luther King died because he lost his usefullness to the communist party and because Julia Brown exposed him for what he was. A corrupt, inhuman piece of garbage. James Early Rey never killed Martin Luther King, the communist did because he was becoming a loose cannon; and because he lost his usefullness to them.

At Monday, January 16, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

Interesting story. Do you have anything to support your assertions?

Or, are you just taking a shot a dead man?

At Monday, January 16, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

MLK audio on Vietnam/Iraq


Listen to Dr. King in his own words.

At Monday, January 16, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

great link! Thanks!

At Monday, January 16, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some say MLK was a corrupt communist, others say he was a hero.

One thing is true though, french fries taste damn good!!!

At Monday, January 16, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As this nation reflects on Dr. King's birthday, I am convinced this country is in need of a deep healing. People are mentally ill and don't know. Why and who would have something negative to say about Dr. King. Who else in this country has sacrificed their life and spoke truth to power like Dr. King? What is wrong with people? Did't get enough lap time from your mother? Peace!

At Monday, January 16, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

isiah14 sounds like a white cracker born again fascist.

At Monday, January 16, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

re: isiah14

Status: Some true, some false.


At Monday, January 16, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Revered as a virtuous American hero, the real Martin Luther King, Jr. colluded with Communists, plagiarized his doctoral thesis, and led an immoral lifestyle.

Fifty years ago, a black preacher’s speech captured the dream of a nation from which racial turmoil had been abolished. "We, Negro-Americans, sing with all loyal Americans: My country, ‘tis of thee, sweet land of liberty; of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the Pilgrims’ pride. From every mountain side, let freedom ring!"

"That’s exactly what we mean," continued the preacher as he built to a dramatic climax. "From every mountain side, let freedom ring. Not only from the Green Mountains and the White Mountains of Vermont and New Hampshire; not only from the Catskills of New York; but from the Ozarks in Arkansas, from the Stone Mountain in Georgia, from the Great Smokies of Tennessee and from the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia — let it ring."

Pastor Archibald Carey spoke these words during the 1952 Republican National Convention. Eleven years later, Martin Luther King, Jr. appropriated Carey’s summation as part of his "I Have A Dream" speech on the Washington Mall. King kept the theme and cadences of Carey’s speech, while altering some of the details. This was in keeping with King’s previous practice of plagiarism, particularly his plundering of a doctoral dissertation by a scholar named Jack Boozer.

Spurious Scholarship

As Theodore Pappas documents in his study Plagiarism and the Culture War, King’s dissertation abounds in passages taken without citation from Boozer’s work, including errors in grammar and punctuation. King’s theft of another scholar’s work, comments Pappas, "was an indefensible act that should warrant the revocation of his Ph.D." Liberal author Gary Wills made the same point — albeit in an endnote — in his 1994 book Certain Trumpets.

Boston University’s posthumous revocation of King’s doctoral degree would address a long-standing academic outrage. But it would be much more worthwhile — and far more difficult — to revoke King’s status as a civic demigod. Every year Americans are required to pay homage to King as an exemplar of tolerance, courage, and virtue. He is the only American to be honored with his own holiday — and his chief claim to such saintly status is the plagiarized "I Have a Dream" speech.

In April of 1993, Senator Harris Wofford of Pennsylvania cosponsored a measure entitled the "King Holiday and Service Act," the purpose of which was to "encourage" Americans to devote Martin Luther King Day to acts of "community service." In his speech introducing that legislation, Senator Wofford recalled the words spoken by Christ over the Last Supper: "This do in remembrance of me." In what can only be considered an act of conscious blasphemy, Wofford asked his Senate colleagues: "What should we do in remembrance of Martin?"

According to Wofford, King’s public utterances bear the mark of divinity. "Words — Martin’s words — will always be part of what we celebrate," Wofford reverently declared. Republican Senator Dave Durenberger piously seconded Wofford’s view: "Never before has it been more important for our young people to hear Dr. King’s words." Such pronouncements provide bitter humor to those who understand that Martin Luther King, Jr.’s career was propelled by political opportunism and adorned with pilfered eloquence.

Credentials for Canonization?

Some of King’s defenders insist that he was working within a tradition called "voice merging," in which black preachers would freely share sermons without attribution. While this might explain why King felt free to help himself to the work of Pastor Carey — with whom he maintained a correspondence — it would not justify violating established scholarly guidelines for writing a doctoral dissertation. Besides, if plagiarism can be dismissed as "voice merging," adultery could be dismissed as "spouse merging" — and as it happens, King indulged in that vice as well.

In his 1983 book The FBI and Martin Luther King, Jr. — which was in many ways a favorable treatment of King — investigative author David Garrow describes the findings compiled by the FBI’s investigation of the civil rights leader. That investigation was ordered by Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, who was concerned about King’s habit of consorting with Communists. According to Garrow, the FBI learned that King was also involved in "embezzlement, employing prostitutes, alienating wives’ affections from their husbands, and violation of the Mann Act" (by taking women across state lines for immoral purposes). In 1989, the Reverend Ralph Abernathy, King’s successor as head of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, published a memoir disclosing that King spent the night before he was killed in a sexual liaison with a female friend.

Hypocritically, while King felt free to steal from other scholars and preachers, he took great care to protect his own work from similar treatment. Pappas points out that "King took, copyrighted, and later defended his legal right to the words and thoughts" of Pastor Carey. In January 1997, the Martin Luther King, Jr. Center for Nonviolent Social Change, which is headed by King’s son Dexter, struck a marketing deal with Time-Warner. The media conglomerate agreed to produce and market books and other products using King’s writings, thereby netting the King estate an estimated $30-50 million over five years.

As Pappas reports: "At the heart of the deal is aggressive enforcement of the hundreds of copyrights that King placed on ‘his’ writings and on his most famous speeches in particular. Most disturbing … has been the King family’s aggressive profiteering toward those wanting to praise King by quoting the ‘I Have a Dream’ speech. For instance, the King estate sued USA Today demanding a $1,700 licensing fee plus legal costs after the paper quoted the speech in praise of King."

Apostle of Socialism

In 1997, Professor Larry Hofford of St. Mary’s University lamented: "Naming a national holiday after the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. has proven to be a mistake." Professor Hofford, a self-described "progressive," complained that King’s image "has been so watered down that the picture of him is that of a ‘mainstream reformer’ who led a movement to end legal segregation. The result is that no person in a position of authority in the United States could possibly experience any discomfort with this image."

Hofford continued: "What is missing from most of the Martin Luther King Jr. Day celebrations is any discussion of the radical King … [who] put forth a philosophy and theology stressing the need to balance individual will with community will." Hofford recalls that King was a strident opponent of capitalism, a Marxist liberation theologian who preached that "‘the problem of racism, the problem of economic exploitation and the problem of war are all tied together.’" King sought not only an end to legally enforced racial segregation, but also a radical restructuring of American society.

In a September 1967 speech in Atlanta, King condemned capitalism as an inherently unjust economic system and declared that his movement was devoted to "restructuring the whole of American society." In Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community?, a book published in that same year, King endorsed the time-honored socialist demand for a guaranteed minimum annual wage, which would be "pegged to the median income of society" and would "automatically increase as the total social income grows." In this particular example of literary "borrowing," King was merging his voice with that of Karl Marx, who coined the phrase "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

King also bared his socialist inclinations in a lengthy interview he granted to Playboy, a strange pulpit for a man of God to employ. In the porn magazine’s January 1965 issue, King moralized that "all of America’s wealth today could not adequately compensate its Negroes for his [sic] centuries of exploitation and humiliation." Anticipating the contemporary movement demanding "reparations" for slavery, he insisted that black Americans be given preferential economic treatment. Of course, this would provoke similar demands from "the disadvantaged of all races" — a prospect King welcomed: "I do not intend that this program of economic aid should apply only to the Negro.... We must develop a federal program of public works, retraining and jobs for all...."

Asked about the role of Communists in his entourage, King quipped: "There are as many Communists in this freedom movement as there are Eskimos in Florida." The real issue, of course, was not the number of Communists involved in King’s movement, but their influence. Martin Luther King’s long-term advisor — and occasional speechwriter — was New York attorney Stanley Levison, whom federal investigators identified as a Communist agent. Levison arranged for King to hire Hunter Pitts O’Dell, a member of the National Committee of the Communist Party, as his executive assistant. In 1962, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy warned King that Communist agents were manipulating King. In 1963, President John F. Kennedy reiterated this warning, offering a personal appeal to King to sever his ties to Levison and O’Dell: "They’re Communists. You’ve got to get rid of them."

In a 1979 hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee, black civil rights activist Julia Brown testified of extensive connections between King and the Communist Party. Like other Americans concerned about race relations, Brown had joined a "civil rights" group — only to learn that it was a Communist front. After she took her concerns to the FBI, Brown was asked to work within the Party as an undercover operative. In her 1979 testimony, Brown recalled: "The [Communist] cells that I was associated with in Cleveland were continually being asked to raise money for Martin Luther King’s activities and to support his movement.... [W]hile I was in the Communist Party … I knew Martin Luther King to be closely connected with the Communist Party."

Regarding the proposal for a King holiday, Brown declared: "If this measure is passed honoring Martin Luther King, we may as well take down the stars and stripes that flies over this building and replace it with a red flag." In light of the Establishment’s success in canonizing King, Brown’s words are sobering indeed.

At Monday, January 16, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

Anonymous with the really long post:

Today, is the first I've been exposed to this information about MLK. I'll be brief.

(1) I don't care much about plagiarism. It's not commendable. But, it's not a crime.

(2) It is unfortunate that he engaged in adultery. God judges men, not me.

(3) I don't know much about communism or socialism; never read Karl Marx. But, I would not blame anyone for dismissing capitalism as a curse to mankind based on what they see in the world today.

However, capitalism does NOT have to be administered the way it is now. It does NOT require fractional reserve banking at interest, a floating exchange system, or an intellectual property regime.

Without those three abominations, a free market capitalism (of the kind we have here in the United States - both public and private sectors) would be an unqualified blessing to mankind - far better than anything any government could fudge under socialism or communism.

(4) Copyrights should be abolished. It's an indefensible tax on knowledge and the free flow of information. Enforcing copyrights is far worse than plagiarizing.

(5) I wouldn't care if all national holidays were abolished. In a real free market economy, where we're not enslaved by IP, funny money, and interest, citizens will have much more time on their hands and care a lot less what days the government chooses to "officially honor."

(6) Spying and undercover work may be legal, but not only is it treacherous and immoral, it is incompatible with a free and democratic society.

Thanks to everyone for stopping by and sharing your thoughts.

At Tuesday, January 17, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

One thing to note is that while MLK might not have been a very moral person, nor lived up to "his dreams", the words he spoke should have no less meaning because of it.

They are an ideal view, even if not his, that we should all strive to achieve.

At Tuesday, January 17, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who cares if MLK was a communist, committed adultry, or did any of the other things he's accused of on this board? Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, Lincoln was depressed to the point of being sucidal, and FDR did his best to hide the fact that he was crippled from the American people.

The reason that they are all great men is that what they said and did publicly in times of turmoil held this nation together and set it on a path for greatness.

So, while King may not have been perfect, may not have "practiced what he preached," his message of non-violent protest to achieve social change was excatly what the coutry needed at the time. Maybe his "I Have a Dream" speech was plagerized--but would we all have heard it otherwise? I think not.

Dr. King was a great, albeit enigmatic man, who deserves to be honored, not to have his grave trampled.

At Tuesday, January 17, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

Hey guys (drac, anonymous),

I agree! Thanks!


At Wednesday, January 18, 2006, Blogger Jeff G said...

Who is perfect? The last water I walked on blanketed the sidewalk, the residue of recent rain shower. People are not great because of stainless purity, they are great because they struggle for their ideals despite their shortcomings. We are all hypocrites in one way or another. Only cowards and fools think they are pure.

At Thursday, January 19, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

MLK is simply a joke and perfect reductio-ad-absurdum; like Ronny Reagan, MLK was excellent actor and frontman for Jews and communists, that's for sure. Anyone who thinks plagiarism of King's sort is negligible is negligible himself. Note most of all, rebellion is justified simply and merely by means of pointing to the MLK holiday--no differently than if Vlad Lenin or Stalin were made heroes by means of such a holiday. Anyone would admit the most absurd fraud has been perpetrated. But what has to happen for the necessary revolution and white people's freedom?--I'm afraid we have to suffer yet some more before the idea sinks into enough minds yet. The key is in abolishing the Fed, a gross counterfeiting scam. (See my essay on the subject on WhiteAlert.com.) Meantime we can do small things like reversion of election of US Senators by state legislatures, wider publicity of non-ratification of 16th amendment (income tax), etc. Will next/coming terrorist event succeed like 9-11 or will it fall flat due to efforts like this present blogspot? I-net cannot continue so freely indefinitely before desperate oligarchs lash out. Keep up all ur best efforts for white/Aryan liberation. Apollonian (Ck newNation.org for more Apollonian essays under "commentary" heading.)

At Thursday, January 19, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...


I am not sure who you are directing your comment to. But, I assure you that while I agree that whites should be free of this disastrous privately owned usurious monetary system, it is only because they are human, just like people of all other races. Every human being deserves to be free. That's how God created us.

I'm curious, though. Do you think that I am white? Do you care?

At Friday, January 20, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello, I just got back to looking at ur blog this morning in Tucson Az. Ummm, well yes, I'd guess u're white--do I get a prize? Do I "care"?--whether u're white? Ummm, well u know, I'm mainly concerned with dispensing necessary expository info. I'm Christian, so I endorse New Testament Consp. theory-template by which is analyzed all/any conspiracy, for any historical era, the Pharisees (Jews), "scribes" (corrupt lawyers and suchlike bureaucrats), and "Sadduceans" (as of modern-day, like Falwell, Robertson, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, et al.) leading, gaining the most while the elders and imperialist enforcers (corresponding to the Roman executors of Christ) get the least, e.g., their "social security" pittances, imperialist enforcers actually dying of such as depleted uranium poisoning. Note also the Pharisee faction is composed of the upper-level Jews, bankers and financiers like Soros, Greenspan, Bernanke, et al., and then the lower-level, working class sort who benefit less, but still quite well, generally, esp. compared to other middle class types. The lower-level Jews are not absolved of responsibility even though they bear brunt of inevitable gentile backlash, as lower-level sort so knowingly and willingly sacrifice themselves in accord with their collectivist morality (unlike the broad "Christian" goyim). The Christian goys are too susceptible to the contradictory "Judeo-Christian" farce as preached by the "Sadduceans," Jews being professed followers of Pharisees who rejected Christ, not synonymous with Judeans, descendents of Israelites, of Christ's day.

Our strategy then is to promote an antisemitic alliance among all Christians of all races, and indeed, even non-Christian races, like the Musselmen who can be quite honorable folks, equally victimized by Jews. And all these good people in their reason and honesty would be presumptively willing to live according to racial separatism and independence.

Of course the complication and difficulty is so many, esp. among the white people of today, esp. the elders, are taken by the false prosperity of MAMMON. Hence I'm afraid the Spenglerian cycle of history must continue to play itself out, we continuing the "Decline of the West" until the duped white people and elders have died out. I hope civilization doesn't have to suffer to greatly.

Thus there's not much to be done but to continue the effort of education and reason, all in Christian spirit.

U urself, dear qrswave, ought to find out what Judaism/Talmudism really is. There are excellent sources: Israel, Our Duty, Our Dilemma, by Ted Pike is good; also Mike Hoffman's Judaism's Strange Gods is quite definitive. Charles Carlson at Whtt.org has a good site, and there are yet others.

Why do u query as to whom I'm directing my comments? Actually we're all "free" in an existential sense, u know, it's just we need to figure out now what specifically to do politically, culturally, rhetorically. Take care. Apollonian

At Saturday, January 21, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a load of rubbish half the comments on this forum are!

"Communist school in Tennessee"... that's a pretty good definition of an oxymoron!

Everybody seems fascinated on who MLK went to bed with; same with JFK. If you don't get over this sexual prudery, Americans, you never will get anywhere.

The person naming himself "apollonian" or whatever it is, going on about jewish conspiracies all the time, is disgusting. I wouldn't even bother reading through the entirety of his misleading and windy posts.

As for what the owner - was it? of this blog said about "reforming" capitalism by abolishing things like "intellectual property" and copyrights... I don't see how that would work! Authors and artists and songwriters and software writers need to live too, you know - what they produce is just as much production as a man or men/women in a factory. And *seeing* as our economy has now progressed from manufacturing to information, it's the "ideas economy", then most of the West's production is in fact in this form, hence the remaining profitability of certain of its big industries such as Hollywood. Destroy that and you just give everything to the Chinese. (Mind you, their bootlegging and the Internet is making copyright theft even easier now, for all of us... as many know from their own experience.)

At Saturday, January 21, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

Hey Liz,

Thanks for stopping by! This is an open forum.

We believe that "the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market." So, take what you will from the comments and thanks for sharing your thoughts.

As for IP (copyrights), I used to have the same misconception about the necessity for IP. This is common. The incentive argument for copyrights is rhetorically appealing. But, that's about it. It doesn't hold water in reality.

Anyway, I invite you to visit the gnu project. They are a perfect demonstration of my point and they have a wealth of information about the importance of the free flow of information. You never know, you may change your mind.

Come again. Peace.

At Sunday, January 22, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Qrswave!
Thank you. I've been gone a couple months, but I have been spreading the word. We are hoping for a tippng point. Americans need to wake up from our comfort-induced stupor and remember we have the power. Imagine a world where people's imaginations are inflamed by what is right and just. MLK did. We have been recoiling in horror too long. regards, Cacky

At Sunday, January 22, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

Hey, cacky!

I am so glad that you're back! I was wondering what happened to you.

All we can do is try our best and pray that God will see us through these dark times.

Stay in touch!


At Sunday, January 22, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Liz,
This is "Apollonian or whatever it is" here--gee, I really feel so wounded by ur being so "disgusted," tsk tsk.

Jew "conspiracies"?--hey, u ever heard of Christian NEW TESTAMENT? So then who killed Christ but a Jew conspiracy consisting of Pharisees, Sadducees, elders, scribes, Chief Priests, Herodians, approved then by the gentile Roman imperialist flunkies who are nowadays made out to being fall-guys by such as present heretical Roman Pope who preaches holohoax false religion?

"[G]ood definition of oxymoron"--hey, u're a good "definition" urself of something, eh?

"Prudery" is surely not the way to "getting anywhere," eh Lizzy-Liz? So tell us Liz, where exactly are u?

Finally, I got a question for u Liz: what is it u think u got that anyone would want to steal? Apollonian

At Monday, January 23, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, hear we are again. Once again Dr. King's name is trampled on by those, I'll be kind for now, "capitalist lovers!" What's a black man to do in these still vicious times? So you all say that Dr. King was a communist. And all that other filth. So I asked a "capitalist lover" one day. Hey, what's a communist? So he begins to enlighten me. " a communist is a freedom hater that enslaves people for his own benefit, A government that rules over it's people or other people and governments for the benefit of the few. A communist does not believe in free speech and will kill the speech maker for harboring such free thoughts. A communist, he continued, does not believe in human or civil rights nor the right to make a free and prosperous living. He also doesn't believe in land ownership or the right to live where you want and you can't vote for someone you believe in who maybe able to help you.

WOW! I yelled when I jumped up to thank him! Now I get it! America is the greatest communist country of all the world! Thank you for enlightening me. You see, It's the communist who told me and my people that we were slaves. You have to sit in the back of the bus. you can't vote for yourself or anyone, you can't own this land, you can't live hear or buy there. Told the native American who's land it is the same thing. The Capitalist's uhh! I'm the Communist's said you have to fight for us to Capitalize uhh, I'm communize the rest of the world so we can make the world "free" of charge! Arrgh huhh, hey that's right, free of charge! And if anyone opposes us will call them communists. You see, they say that Dr. King was a product of the communist and "jews". Well, if that's the case then so are the KKK, the Nazi's and the Democrats and the Replublicans are communists and the ever oppressive lovin CockSucker's such as the entire Bush family. You see they belong to a secret society that believes in communist rule! But in order to be a member of the elite such as the "Skull and Bones" order, you have to love sucking cock! Old Georgie Boy says that "either you are with us or against us." "either you are a freedom lover or a terrorist." Well, I say if you love old boy George them you are a cock sucker! Apparently we have a lot of cock suckers running around and running there jizz into the "mud" or uhh, country!

A communist I learned, will rape you and have you call it love! Like that cock sucker "Thomas Jefferson". While he was raping Sally Hemmings or Hennings, the rest of the communist's were calling it love. A communist will still from you at gun point and make you the criminal for making him successful at it. Like that cock sucker George "I'll never call him President" Bush thieving in Iraq and soon Iran and it's all Saddam and Bin ladin's fault.

You see I prey for the day they finally make it official that America is once and for all a slave state and socialist country so that I can finally be like the capitalist's and get my gun and start killing "communists" and say to the world, I am now a true American, I kill communists. that will be a glorious day wouldn't it? But too bad I can't kill King the communist myself because some capitalist already got to him!....

At Monday, January 23, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 12:42 PM anonymous:
Well great and brilliant with all ur babbling--SO WHAT'S UR POINT? MLK is black communist puke; he's a joke and reductio ad absurdum to this travesty called USA (as I pointed out in previous post). We white folk, Christians, and patriots thus have eminent grounds for rebellion, given the MLK travesty, an insult and outrage to us white Christians. Ur logic seems quite consistent with ours. And don't doubt we'd concede "equality" with u black folk on basis of state and local government, similar to the Confederate ideals of 1861. What do u say? Apollonian

At Monday, January 23, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah that's right, Finally it's nice to hear one of you Cock Suckers admit it! No matter what you say about your patriotism sir cock sucker, we see the lie and front because the patriots you are talking about were the ones who weren't listening to MLK and others like him who actually saved your miserable life for getting involved and getting black people to "turn the other cheek" when they should have listen to Malcolm and blown what little brains uh I mean balls that people like you think you have.

Try getting them to turn the fucking cheek now! If MLK was a communist then thank God for communists. That was his business. Where the hell were you so called patriots when the cowardly cops were ramped in the black community forcing 13 year olds to sell drugs for them, patriot? No you were safe at home snuggle up tight with cock in your mouth! But now the NWO is trying to enslave you all as well, all of a sudden you are a patriot! How nice?

Your not interested in trying to make America "free" truly free. But you and others like you are trying to make yourselves tough to the NWO to bye pass you again such as the case in early America. NOT THIS TIME!! You are absolutly one of them. Your white skin will not save you this time. Because now your the enemy. You know as well as I do that America is finished. Unless "some people" with real balls do something to destroy this fortress of error called America that you love so much. America doesn't need another Cock sucker..., Uh..., I mean Patriot. She needs real people and that's suppose to be all of us. So you don't concede the ideals of 1861 UH?!. That's fine with me. It makes it that much easier for me to kill a fool!

At Monday, January 23, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...


There are some threads of logic in your comments. However, a word of advice; if you want to be taken seriously, keep your comments civil.

Threats and profanity are not welcome here. Free press does not mean freedom to offend and threaten.

If you fail to tone it down, I will close the comments to this page.

Keep your comments meaningful and productive instead of pointless and inflammatory.

Besides, I think Apollonian was attempting to reach common ground in his own unique and largely offensive way, notwithstanding his merciless character assasination of a man who can obviously no longer defend himself.



That is not meant as a challenge to rehash the argument over MLK. Let's just agree to disagree. It's apparent that I value his contributions, communist or not, and that you disdain them. It's a matter of opinion. God will sort it out. Let's leave it at that.

Getting to the issue of 1861. Black Americans were enslaved then. Are you suggesting that that injustice is warranted? Or are you suggesting, as I thought you were, that whites should have their own land (and economy) and blacks should have their own land (and economy). Separate but equal, so to speak?

If so, I think anonymous would be amenable to that. He doesn't seem to care very much for your company, anyway.

At Tuesday, January 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apollonian all of your comments are found on White Supremist sites. Apparently MLK isn't the only one without an original thought. Tell me were you recruited in the trailer park or prison?

At Tuesday, January 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 10:12 PM "Anonymous"--
Hey thanks much crack-head--u're very entertaining, revealing, and informative, and I hope qrswave keeps letting u babble on. Boy, smoking that crack sure makes u brave, tough, eloquent, and smart, doesn't it? By all means, keep smoking ur crack and telling us more. Ha

To qrswave: Pls by all means allow crack-head, above, to continue his expression of innermost brilliance; don't doubt he well informs us and our audience. I hope u most seriously consider crack-head is good for our understanding how blacks (or their partisans) really are.

Regarding 1861, note blacks are and were rightly and accurately regarded as enemies, period; such is "justice" which u typically and so presumptuously leave undefined, certainly not founded in any reality. Try to understand Western culture wherein, in accord with our greatest thinkers, Homer, Plato, Augustine, Machiavelli, Hobbes, et al., life is war, a dreary Darwinian struggle; such is "justice" in fullest accord with reality. We owe blacks nothing, and I only treat with them on basis of expedience against the greater enemy, the Judaic-"Sadducean" oligarchal enemy, what crack-head above quite accurately calls "NWO."

And yes, we separatists offer terms founded upon strict separatism: blacks would receive their own homelands as in the old South Africa, or "reservations," if u will, as with present Indian tribes--it's all they need.

And note qrswave, u're not able to specify any actual MLK "contributions," certainly none for white folk. qrswave, u're really so superficial, presumptuous, empty, and hollow, loyal to no real natural culture or people, eh?

To 1:26 "Anonymous": yes, ck for more of my stuff on NewNation.org (under "commentary"), WhiteAlert.com, and VanguardNewsNetwork.com. Don't kid urself comrade, u obviously a mere imperialist flunky, we separatists appeal evermore to all white folk, not just in "trailer park or prisons." Note this "nation," such as it is, under our original Constituion was meant only for white people wherein we are supreme for political rights. We also think quite highly of our culture, but of course we admit that's subjective. Apollonian

At Tuesday, January 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well well....; I leave for just a few hours to take my regular crack break and I come back to the blog to apologize to qrswave for being, lets just say, "less than ascertive" and I come back to this?
OOhhh! Po me. I'm so inferior to you apollonian! What is a po Negro like me gonna do in dis wurl! I guess I'll just have to leave it all to you to dispense true christian justice.

Well... No more mister nice for me. You might get the idea that I'm as soft as a "scrotum". I wouldn't want you to get "funny" on me. I was right about you uh? Hit it right on the "head" NPI! Listen up Apollonian. I don't give a two shackel cent about your so called christian beliefs. If you knew anything about history you'de know that it doesn't exist the way you claim it to be. It's nice though that you believe in an individual who was scorned and rediculed like the two people today. The two being Africans and jews. Jesus was a black jew. "You defend that". to hell with your NEW Testament. It doesn't mean nothing. The bible was re-written over 130 times when it was birthed out of the "Book of the Dead" An Eygptian text. You brought up the name "Augustine"! Did you know that he was African? Who was from north Africa and only been to Europe one time. You are a racist fool! Jesus was not and never will be a christian. He was a jew. Christ is a title "dumm ass"!! Just like pontiff. Jesus was the 16th anointed one. A great man once said, "either you've been duped or you're trying to dupe me!

Now a little about the man who started all this ruckus. MLK saved this nation from itself. He led a people who had every right to bring this government to it's knees without apology from doing so by excepting further terrorist acts from the "good christians who would blow up churchs with little girls and babies in them whos people force the christians such as yourself kicking and screaming into the 21st century. I could add further things that might seem a little negative to you about MLK. But one thing is for sure, like JFK, who was once one of them, realized Americas pending destruction and stood up to do something about it. It cost him and his family their lives. MLK did no less. He too stood up to the beast to fight and let his people know that it was all a sham and he was "not fearing any man." There is more to this man than you can handle and will never understand because for a time, I didn't. He was infact a product of the fortress of error. But he saw like JFK too late, their ravenness ways. Your white christian foundings are being funded by the people who funded JFK and MLK. Talk all the nice slick words to the people who read them, You know that I know what you are, you lieing snakkke. And I read right through you.

This fortress of Error is base on the castration of black men. Economically, socially, politically religiously and physically as well. Why do you think I called them and you #@*& sucker!! How in the hell are going to justify telling anyone that how superior you and the whites are when all you brought to civilization was the point of a gun! And it was not white men who invented the gun but only manufactured it, "to his credit." But it only prolonged your racist views for a little while longer.
I'm almost temted to conceded to you that I am inferior*! So what now? What do you base this on. I'm curious. And while we are on the subjest of the NWO, Stop saying the jews are the reason for the NWO. The "illuminati" is a culmination of the "conspiracy" And some people who help spew it's agenda happened to be jews... not the reverse of the latter.

I apologies for any thing that is negative to the blog but if you read his early piece before mine, he made threats about "backlash". I'm not a "pacifying negro"! Inspite of all that is said, I do love America as a concept that will probably never come through fruition.

At Wednesday, January 25, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

Anonymous X,

No apology needed. We're on the same page. It's hard to see this much arrogance and hate and not respond in kind.

I'm hopeful that this exchange will enable visitors to witness first hand the destructive nature of racism, and determine for themselves which values they hold dear.

The comments on this page demonstrate, more than anything I could have possibly written on the subject, that man has an astonishing capacity for arrogance and hate.

Apollonian, I don't mean to be inhospitable. You have said your piece. You cannot transform my blog into mansions for whites and bantustans for all others. Here, unlike in your mind, you are just an ordinary human being, and not a very convincing one.

You've spent days lecturing me on how evil "Jews" are for being incorrigable subjectivists and believing they are superior to everyone else. But in the end you concede that you are the same.

It is now apparent to me that you don't hate "Jews" because of their subjectivism or their superiority complex. These are characteristics you harbor and cherish. You merely hate them because a group of them, more accurately, Zionists, have the upperhand over you.

This is nothing but a power-struggle between two racist ideologies - White Supremicism and Zionism. The only difference between you being that you are forthcoming about your arrogance, while Zionists attempt to feign inclusiveness in order to garner the favor of public opinion. I'm not sure which is worse. But, I suspect that I prefer your candor.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that your work is done here. Your ideas have been received. No need to repeat them.

At Wednesday, January 25, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To qrswave:
Yes comrade, I agree, I pretty much have had my say, repeated in parts several times, also with ample references to additional essays of mine on the other sites, as I've noted (also on ur other blog, "Iran Declares War On History." U are amazingly fair (with slight exceptions) in and despite all your benightedness, and I thank u kindly for ur patience, attention, and the opportunity u've provided to state premises and arguments, presenting then conclusions which (I trust and pray) are fairly easily verified scientifically. I'm quite confident honest folk (including blacks and all and any other races) will agree I'm realistic, logical--and most of all HONEST. Thus we white racists, featuring our trademark HONESTY and respect for God's objective reality, will ultimately recruit the most powerful army--even if not perhaps the most numerous. (Imagine an opposing army filled with hysterics like "crack-head" above--har har har--indeed, we'd want our enemies to be filled with such psychotics who can't make a move or imagine a "thought" without their drugs.) U say I'm not "convincing"?--hey, we understand, as in Christ, we'll only perhaps attract a few out of the many--we strive for QUALITY before quantity. U want mere quantity?--just sell crack for lower prices and u'll get droves of suckers like "crack-head"--and then good luck, comrade. U won't even make it to the battlefield before u're stabbed-in-the back by such as "crack-head" who gotta have mo' o' that smoking-material, eh?

But let me expand (and correct u somewhat) upon at least one thing: in ur 2nd-to-last paragraph u state, "[t]his is nothing but a power struggle...." Note I've already invoked Oswald Spengler ("Decline of the West") and the cyclic historical phenomenon: the true issue is OBJECTIVE VS. SUBJECTIVE, the basic metaphysics of the historical dialectic (which is also fairly clearly noted in Gosp. JOHN ch. 8, esp. verses 32 and 44). U're actually quite obsessively fixated--as when u assert I accuse Jews of "evil"--this after I repeatedly and explicitly disavowed the Pelagian heresy ("good-evil" fallacy-delusion). No, Jews are NOT "evil" any more than we whites are "good." We're simply opposed, deterministic, metaphysical forces, if u will, our magnificent Greek-founded culture (esp. Aristotle) featuring objectivity vs. Jew (Talmudic) subjectivity. Yes of course, racism (which is mere synonym for LOYALTY) is then an outward and necessary manifestation of this more fundamental and abstract metaphysical conflict of antitheses (much in Hegelian fashion, I'd add). Jews are racistically loyal to their side as are we loyal to ours. Note then racism is actually peripheral, though yet a necessary virtue (and style, actually) which we certainly intend to enforce for our own discipline, simply a war-time necessity, u understand.

U, comrade qrswave, despite ur honesty and inclination thereto, are still too well-programmed by the Jews and "Sadduceans" (again, such as Falwell, Robertson, et al.). But if u stick to honesty and objectivity u retain a chance of redemption.

Regarding ur fatuous "destructive nature of racism," fm ur above text, if u, qrswave, were truly honest, u'd easily see "crack-head," above, is simply a psychopathic rapist--his "solution" evidently by which he hopes to "solve" his idiot's problem of "racism." "Crack-head" simply doesn't possess that basic honesty, hence intelligence, to admit racism is AXIOMATIC--it cannot be denied, and it's either-or with no middle ground: one is loyal (hence RACIST) in favor of (a) mixed or (b) non-mixed race; that's all there is to it, and again it's either-or, which u can't deny in reason; there's no middle ground, a simple matter of basic logic. Thus u're confronted with the sublime joke that U ARE URSELF NECESSARILY RACIST, u poor deluded soul. A mixed-race is a conquered race, don't u see?--which is what "crack-head," above, so desperately wants to do to the non-mixed races so as to drag them down to his level of degradation and inferiority-complex. We white racists intend to preserve our race, our pride therein, and our magnificent culture of pride, a necessary virtue for victory in war. U, as it stands presently, and "crack-head," above, on the other hand, are simply a couple of rapists (whether u want to admit it or not), that's all. "Crack-head" will never be able to comprehend--u might, and I sincerely wish u all the luck.

U don't like me, dear qrswave, merely and simply because I stick to honesty and reality--not hubris, or as u put it, "arrogance." Refusing to yield on basic, verifiable principles, like honesty and logic, should not be labeled, as by u, "arrogance"--this actually is mere instance of ur own frustrated impotence and arrogance. We white racists are, again, honest, and we laugh at the sputtering ignorance and mindless incoherence of such as "crack-head," above, who needs no further refutation fm myself as he is such a brainless, babbling joke, even in all his back-handed eloquence thereto, which anyone with any honesty can see (and those who can't see just don't WANT to see, and don't deserve further guidance or exhortation--as u wisely observe).

Yes, we hate Jews because it is necessary to hate them in order to duly exterminate them as we get the opportunity--we're honest, unlike u. (And don't doubt, dear qrswave, we see also as enemies no less those scummy "Sadducean" traitors without whom those Jews couldn't succeed. New Testament Conspiracy theory-template-analytic is yet another of our weapons given from our magnificent culture and its literature. Again, ck my essays on NewNation.org, under "commentary" heading.) Life is war, as Homer, et al., teach, and we intend to live life to the fullest--u, qrswave, have unfortunately been too well taught to be a coward as u're likewise an incompetent coward to be simply logical and honest. But I continue to pray for ur sinful soul nonetheless--now am I a "mighty" white man or what? Repent. Apollonian

At Wednesday, January 25, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey qrswave,

Don't worry. No further text is really need hear. I made my point and he made his. I could further school him on the truth about his real origins in this world but it wouldn't budge him. Which is why I cherish the first and second amendments so much. He actually said what needed to be said for me anyway.

You see there is an old saying,
"If you throw a brick at a pack of dogs, no dog hollers out except the one that got hit"! Well he got hit, and the beast came out to fight, but like all beasts of that nature, he was afraid. that's why he hides behind Jesus. "Very sick man." Take care qrswave, I'll stick around to check this site a little more. It looks interesting. Ran acrossed it by mistake...., I'll try to refrain from making "comments" in the future.

See ya!!

To Apollonian, what last parting words can I say to; how did you put it?!!; A "Mighty white man or what?!" It's plainly clear that you've; Apollonian, have been swallowing too much "protein" as it is. Maybe you should be getting one instead of giving so many! It might calm you down and help you find something else to do. But if this is what you like doing then Good luck cock sucker, cause you're going to need it!!

At Thursday, January 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 12:36 PM "anonymous x" ("crack-head")
Hey thanks much crack-head--u know u really are so eloquent in all ur incredible stupidity. And now look, people can see what u said in reply to what I said, and vice-versa, eh? Same w. dearest qrswave. It's all there in black and white, forever. By all means, don't hesitate to regale us w. more of ur genius, so profound. Apollonian

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