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“The Freedom to be Killed”

Some people just don't get it . . .
Economics not the reason to become U.S. citizen

Americanism is rooted in a democracy that is unique to the United States. Many countries will claim that they are democratic, but the moment citizens burn the flag of those countries, they are carted to jail, if not shot on the spot. Illegal aliens demand their right to citizenship for the sake of keeping their jobs and paychecks that they can never have in their countries. Right there, they lose their argument. If, indeed, American citizenship were about jobs and wages, would these aliens rush for Chinese citizenship if China offers higher wages and better jobs?

There is a basic question on American citizenship that many aliens fail to answer by heart: “Why do you want to become an American citizen?”

The majority of aliens would choose “economic opportunity” as their main reason. The true answer - “because of the freedom and democracy that the United States offer” - seem so profound and hard to grasp that it merely ends as a memorized line than a conviction that will rule their future American lives. The waving of foreign flags while demanding U.S. citizenship during last month's rally is proof to this testament.

Illegal aliens can learn a lesson from Marine Cpl. Jose Angel Garibay, a Mexican immigrant. He was a baby when his parents immigrated to the United States from Jalisco, Mexico, in 1979. Eventually his mom, Simona, became legal, had three kids, divorced, and was able to work in a hospital. Jose was raised in Costa Mesa and assimilated with the American way of life. Obviously appreciating the benefits of American democracy, he enlisted in the military “to defend the country I plan to become a citizen of, “ as he told a teacher.

He never got the chance. On March 23, 2003, Jose was killed in a firefight in Iraq. Not yet a full citizen at that time, Jose was nonetheless ready, and gave up his life to preserve the true values of Americanism. He died for this country because he knew this country gave him the freedom “to be” [Killed.]
It's an honor and a privilege that I'm sure his mother wishes he never had.


At Friday, May 05, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Qrswave's Logic Questioned
(Mighty Thor, 5 May 06)

I disagree w. last statement of ur blog commentary, qrswave, and it's real instance of an incredible illogic within ur mind.

For how can u really be so sure about a mom who didn't think about consequences of being illegal alien?--here qrswave, u demonstrate GROSS PRESUMPTION.

CONCLUSION: Poor Jose' was pathetic sacrifice to Moloch by the ruthless mom determined to be illegal alien--this is actually most appropriate judgment and conclusion, in truth (unless u're just trying to be too ironic). Honest elections and death to the Fed. Thor

At Friday, May 05, 2006, Blogger Mark Prime (tpm/Confession Zero) said...

Well... I think I grasped the irony! Very tightly woven irony at that... Let me think on it. If it makes me think it is good by me! :>)

At Friday, May 05, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why, Indeed?
(Mighty Thor, 5 May 06)

And it is good question: why in the heck would anyone want to be American citizen?--it's where money is? Hmmm.

At Saturday, May 06, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

There are a number of ironies in this passage.

First, that immigrants should flee from poverty to end up not much better off than they were in their native land. Raising three kids as a divorced immigrant mother is not an easy task.

Second, that the author should think that the mostly hollow privileges that Americans enjoy are "profound." The average person (who isn't brainwashed) would not understand what she's talking about. There isn't a person in the world who doesn't care about their economic condition, at the very least, before all else.

Finally, and perhaps the most ironic, is that the author thinks this young man's tragic and useless death should be a lesson to other immigrants to want the same for themselves.

Thor, I may be presuming that his mother wished she had never come to America. But, I dont think it's a stretch.

Many immigrants feel the same when tragedy strikes and they realize that the few extra economic perks they enjoyed in America was not worth the price that they paid in blood.

At Saturday, May 06, 2006, Blogger Undeniable Liberal said...

You don't even have to be a citizen to die fighting for freedom of whatever the reason given. An interesting sidebar, at the age of 18, you really don't have full adult rights, namely drinking, but you can die. Freedom is wonderful.

At Saturday, May 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Human Interest Cuts Different Ways
(Mighty Thor, 6 May 06)

Riiiiggghttt Qrswave, easy to say after the fact, the fact of illegal immigration, INVASION, as of enemy races. Fact remains: kid was sacrificed, as to Moloch (evidently).

Illegal immigrants at best are last hired, first fired. Is it really healthy economy we got here in USA, Jews so dominant? Gosh it must really suck where they're (illiegal aliens) coming fm, eh?

Jews and co-conspirators are just importing enemy races to replace us white folk who understand ourselves original conquerors; how ironic. Further consequences of Orwellian "perpetual war."

Note only solution to present imperialist tyranny so fascist is reversion to local and state governments as per original American founders, racist, white, and Christian. And this analysis is no false dichotomy fallacy. So far it has been Jew religion prevailing, esp. since American Civil War, death of original US Constitution. Observe how we're all supposed to worship holohoax--at taxpayer expense.

CONCLUSION: Again historically, closest parallel is Roman empire of Constantine the Great whence antisemitism prevailed successfully for a civilization, setting foundation for present degeneracy, evidently, in Oswald Spengler's "Decline of the West." Honest elections and death to the Fed. Thor

At Saturday, May 06, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

hey undeniable, i don't think I'll ever get over your disguise. It's a riot. Albeit, somewhat embarassing for a modest woman like myself.

That said, you're absolutely right freedom is wonderful in America - part and parcel of a host of hollow privileges that the government swears to protect on our behalf, while handing all the Claims, Powers, and Immunities to their banking buddies.

Like, for example, we are free to get rich if we can find a job, free to stay healthy if we can afford to eat right and consult a doctor, free to have a roof over our heads if we can afford to pay for one, and free to start a family if we can make enough money to send children to school.


thor, I find your opinion of non-white people (including myself) illogical and selfish.

Who's Moloch?

At Saturday, May 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nature Of Illegal Immigration: Invasion, Pure And Simple
(Mighty Thor, 6 May 06)

Moloch is Biblic God of ancient Semites, esp. Carthaginians, I understand, also some Canaanites, evidently, according to Biblic lore.

Granted my opinion is "selfish"--not only meant to be, but inevitable anyway in all actual reason and logic.

"Illogical"?--I don't think so as it is mere realism to observe natural enmity of sinful humanity, acknowledged by all wise-men and sages throughout history, beginning for West at least by Homer, et al.

Hence illegal immigration is invasion of enemy races, and all non-white people are naturally, hence perfectly logically, illegal immigrants.

Answer-solution then to Judeo-oligarchal imperialist tyranny is, at least for significant part, state and local government founded on natural rights, as originally for Americans, original US Constitution fatally abrogated and effectively de-activated by American Civil War.

Naturally then illegal immigration-invasion serves interests of Judeo-oligarchs who use them to intimidate the native people and patriots--as demonstrated by recent Mexican demonstrations, as of 1 May.

CONCLUSION: Yes qrswave, it is precisely the purpose of patriotism to BE "SELFISH" and to see to the interests of the people of the USA, white Christians. Hence antisemtism is obligatory, relgion of imperialists who import the enemy races, evermore reducing TREASON to inevitable absurd. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Thor

At Saturday, May 06, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

does that mean you find me intimidating?

At Saturday, May 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fear Of Almighty God Basic Cultural Foundation-Reference
(Mighty Thor, 6 May 06)

Actually, I find u qrswave, do good enough job for info and analysis as blogger and journalistic, HENCE MILITARY ASSET. Fm artistic pt. of view u also present a kind of integrity well-learned by Christians here.

Christianity is aesthetic reflecting, paralleling reason vs. INSANITY OF TALMUD-Judaism (I submit, properly understood fm strictest literature, approved by dear St. Constantine the Great). But any religion becomes Pharisaic as it is "established."

Thus Christianity itself lost out for territory by a nuance and "heresy" for Christians, the Islamic now reverting to the Judaic-styled one-God, "Allah," rejecting Trinitarian.

Hence agreeing upon common ground should and could be feasible for peoples who understand so well a common reality-universe, "God-given," pt. being, it works so well for metaphysics. Such a RATIONALIZATION could be formidable to fraud culture dominated by Judeo-oligarchs.

CONCLUSION: Hence I hope u see most aesthetically possible good view for honesty and info of objective reality, fruit of the free expression of present internet, the worst development for Jew-oligarchs as it is good info for gentiles. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Thor

At Saturday, May 06, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

Military asset??? with capital letters, too!

Is that supposed to remind me that I'm effective or that I'm expendable?

At Saturday, May 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Truth Also Well Served By Art
(Mighty Thor, 6 May 06)

I'd say (again) INFORMATIVE, hence quite useful, artistic too. Again, the cause is for objectivity as cultural ideal, this versus the Judaic-subjectivistic (not merely Zionist). Thus I understand thesis-antithesis dialectic.

For it's Judaism, not merely Zionism, which is disease-of-opportunity against a hubristic remnant of empire originally built by heroes perhaps, but now inherited by degenerates unquestionably. Again, Spengler's "Decline of the West" is thematic.

Our people and cause against subjectivism and fraud then need and can use all the "information" they can get, by means of art or otherwise, that's for sure. Journalism is art too, don't forget. Truth first needs honest intention, assuming then an objective reality, right? And if I'm wrong pls by all means correct.

CONCLUSION: Free Internet, like free expression, speech, etc. often favors virtue, ability, and truth sometimes too. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Thor

At Sunday, May 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good argument, that illegal aliens wanted to earn money, they would move to China (town?).
I'll think on this one, but meanwhile, I would say that coming to America is the best option for them - easier to cross a river than an ocean.

At Sunday, May 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...


I find the lack of logic and the comments associated with this entry to truly be breathtaking.

If I had a choice of living in a Saudi Arabia-like nation, where I would be silenced and wearing a burka, though being wealthy, or suicide, I would choose suicide. That is right, I would rather commit suicide than live a life like that. And I know I am not alone.

Freedom is that important to me. Am I the only one who thinks this? Hardly. There are millions of people across the world who feel the same way.

That doesn't mean that the choice should be freedom and starvation or tyranny and wealth. In an ideal world, we can be both free and prosperous. Actually, the freest nations also tend to be the most prosperous.

But the notion that it all comes down to economics is simply not true. It just happens to be that the freest nations are also the most prosperous - this is not a coincidence.

Why did that particular immigrant move to America? Many reasons, I suspect. And it is tragic that he died. It is also tragic that this nation is changing and becoming less free - the very ideals it was founded on are being compromised. I know I am willing to fight and die to defend the freedoms that America stands for - I just don't see Iraq as "defending the freedom" of America. But that is seperate and distinct from whether or not people are actually willing to die for freedom. Because they are.

Furthermore, the fact remains that America is simply more free than most other nations in the world, even today. It is not "the freest" nation, and it has its faults. But the America you constantly bash does have to be viewed in context of the world community. And freedom does matter. It is not some pie in the sky venture. And the "few economic perks" are also very real. I know you use this blog as your own personal propoganda machine, but you should stop and think about before you write your nonsensical ramblings.

At Sunday, May 07, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

"[my] own personal propoganda machine"

That's funny.

Don't like it? Feel 'free' to get your own.

At Sunday, May 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's wrong w. "personal propaganda"?--isn't that what we humans all do anyway? Only question now is what's most informative or entertaining, eh?--then we'd need standards. I must agree with "anon" at 11:31, above: we should all quit writing nonsense and write only non-nonsense. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Thor


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