posted by qrswave @ Thursday, February 23, 2006
You can get a copy of David Ray Griffin on Mike Malloy's show @ 911blogger.comA very thorough interview! Grab it if you can.
I've downloaded it. Can you embed it in a post? I'm not sure how to do it. The other one had code ready to post.
Cheers for the mention. I have had a huge bump in visitors from your site. ;)It is an awesome video isn't it? I have been trying to find some of the incriminating news footage I saw immediately after the attacks, without success. Amazing the maker was able to get all this stuff.
Sorry, my computer is acting up i'll post it here for now:http://www.911blogger.com/files/audio/GriffinOnMikeMalloyShow_20060222.mp3
Also, Professor Steven E. Jones' lecture is up at google video:http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=964034652002408586&q=professor+jones
And it has just hit me today how much the world really did change on 9/11. That our gov't or members of our gov't would do such a thing to profit from war to spur patriotism and hate toward others to line their pockets. There is no turning back for them now. And this country as we know it (had known it) is gone.It is amazing that the commission's report doesn't mention the WTC 7. Incredible. And that the rubble was shipped off for recycling. Like anyone in our gov't cares about recycling. Trash from NY or NJ sat on barges on the water for long periods of time bec of trash strike, but something important like WTC rubble needs to get shipped away immediately. Nothing will be the same. Time to get back to the earth.
nice post. I find that bit torrent is a great way to find this kind of material. www.mininove.com seems to have alot for download.
David Griffin lies about the steel beams.I saw the steel beams myself. They are being stored at Hangar 17 at JFK airport. In fact, they are doing scientific analysis on said beams. I saw this with my own two eyes.I saw this because I worked for the Port Authority, and they took us all out to the airport to look at the Towers rubble.More distortions. I saw, with my own two eyes, filing cabinets, merchandise from the mall, and all sorts of other items saved from the towers. It was not all rubble.http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_48/talkingpoint.htmlhttp://www.panynj.gov/AboutthePortAuthority/PressCenter/PressReleases/PressRelease/index.php?id=695http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-2873.html
That said, the other guy was right. 240 pieces of steel beams are left. But it's untrue to say nothing was left and it was all recycled.
Okay, I want to say I am now willing to say it is possible explosives were planted. By whom...that is a different story. But the SECOND guy (not David Griffin who ignored some key facts I know to be contradictory) certainly makes sense.I do know a nuclear reaction occurred on 9/11/01. I know this from my own two eyes, having seen the remains in Hangar 17. There is no other scientific explanation as to why the steel beams bent in the way they did.Whether this is the result of explosives or planes flying into buildings, I cannot say. I can say the 9/11 report did not speak to the fact that there was a nuclear reaction that occurred on 9/11, even though the scientists are Hangar 17 told me they believed it was a nuclear explosion. The EPA report did not speak to the fact that a nuclear reaction occurred on 9/11, when they said it was safe to go back. There is already documented evidence of 9/11 syndrome. Our firefighters are dying of all sorts of cancers.Whether or not explosives were planted (which they could have been!), I am certain a nuclear reaction occurred, and I am certain a cover up of this nuclear reaction occurred.
Miss R, you rock. You should e-mail Griffin about what you saw. I'm sure he'd be glad to rescind his statement.As far as who would be responsible? Mossad + U.S.?
I have no idea who would be responsible.And I am not saying the planes didn't also fly into the buildings. They did. There are dead people who were on the planes. There are 911 phone records. There are relatives of the dead people who heard these people speak about hijackers. There is no doubt in my mind that the planes were hijacked.As far as whether the towers were taken down by explosives after the planes hit? I will agree it is possible.I do not think Mossad or Israel had anything to do with this. There is zero evidence to tie Israel to any of this. However, I have said all along that what happened was criminal negligence by the Bush administration at the very least. Surely someone in that administration knew this was going to happen at the very least. There was a memo called Bin Laden to attack United States for godsakes!Yet Bush was reelected (or should I say, elected for the first time) for "national security" reasons.The world has gone mad! It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.Ah well, if you don't laugh, you cry.
Miss R,It's strange that you would categorically exclude Israeli involvement in 9/11 when in fact there were several suspicious incidents surrounding 9/11 involving Isreali citizens and companies, e.g., the instant message warnings at Odigo, the Israelis dancing on rooftops in NJ, the Israeli moving company that abandoned their business without any notice.I don't know who's responsible for 9/11. I just can't understand how you can rule out the involvement of a government that in the words of Ehud Barak, thought 9/11 was 'obviously very good for Israel.'I can't find the quote online now [surprise, surprise]. But, I saw him say it on tv with my own two eyes.This is all circumstantial, I concede. But, then so is all the so-called 'evidence' they have against the so-called arab hijackers, many of whom are alive and well according to a number of news sources.
Inductive Logic Is Inexorable(Mighty Thor, 26 Feb 06)Qrswave: note all 9-11 evidence, by definition, nature, and necessity is INDUCTIVE--it all must lead up, piece by piece by piece to a general (hence inductive) conclusion: INSIDE JOB. What other inductive conclusions can be made? Jews are at the center of responsibility for 9-11, imperialist fascists and enemies of the white Christian people, suffering Spenglerian "Decline of the West."Any scientist must admit there's inductive evidence for Israeli-Jew involvement. The only Israeli known killed in 9-11 (surprisingly few, in first place, for Jew York w. so many chosenites and dual-citizens, these notoriously working in the finance industry as WTC towers) was a "special-ops" Mossad-type named Levin or Lewin who was described killing the pilots, Levin or Lewin sitting among the Arab fall-guys/cut-outs. Israelis are known specialists in, and runners of, such Arab fall-guys and "cut-outs," "Mohammed Atta" being seen on board one of Jack Abramoff's gambling cruisers. (MadCowProd.com). Then there were the "dancing Israelis" who, when apprehended, knew so immediately exactly what the cover story was--"Arab-Islamic Hijackers/terrorists," top-Jew Ben Netanyahu announcing 9-11 was "very good" for Israel, in an un-guarded moment ("Cui Bono").Owner of WTC towers, Jew "Larry Silverman" (or Silverstein), I believe, admitted Bldg 7 was "pulled."And there is more, much more, connecting 9-11 and Israel, who knew, and indeed, helped run the Arab fall-guys/"cut-outs," unquestionably. The Jews-media has always been present to make things murky for the gentiles too.Qrswave, as scientist u must necessarily conclude that inductive evidence points overwhelming to Israel-Jews, and now DEMAND JEWS PROVE IT ISN'T TRUE (which they can't do)--this is the proper and necessary scientific technique. Then u start getting to more serious conclusions.And qrswave, when u note (like good scientist) "Miss R" automatically "rules out" Israel, u merely note the religion and the loyalty of a co-conspirator (even if at lower-level of things), "Miss R," determined to cover for the criminals-perpetrators, Jews-Israelis. "Sadduceans" among the gentiles were involved, for example, in the "stand-down" of American Air Force.The point is, dear qrswave, u must make use of inductive logic, thus reason and objectivity, which is fatal to Jews and Israel. The cat is out of the bag: INSIDE JOB, necessarily implicating Jews-Israel, Zionism mere practice of Judaism-Talmudism. Judeo-"Sadduceans" are again indicated according to perfect New Testament Conspiracy-theory-analytic. (Observe Bush II's brother, "Marvin," was director of security company for WTC at time of 9-11.) Imagine if it (Jew complicity) was conclusively proven--would "Miss R's" behavior be different?--of course not--she'd continue lying out of basic loyalty to her people, Jews, not Americans, especially white Christians.Jews are NATURAL enemies of US, its Constitution, culture, traditions, and the American Christian people--as well as all humanity, rationalist and objective. "Miss R," Jew, is loyal to Israel-Jews and NO ONE ELSE--everyone else be damned. Naturally they lie and make use of US degeneracy among the elder class, controlling psychologically through the mass Jews-media, just another arm of the large Judeo-"Sadducean" conspiracy-complex/matrix. Common sense, itself, confirms the initial inductive conclusion, brilliantly. (Hence then Jews complain of "prejudice"--yes, the prejudice given by facts, truth, history, and now inductive logic, indeed.) And yes, of course the "Sadduceans" of modern-day are necessary to cover for specific Jew co-conspirators, then all Jews in general (as of lower-level, like "Miss R") for the large conspiracy. Such is the matrix-complex of Conspiracy theory and New Testament.CONCLUSION: U have Jews and "Sadduceans" (among the gentiles), all exploiting the heretical SUBJECTIVIST "Decline of the West" in MAMMONIST empire, predicted by Oswald Spengler, described by George Orwell, "perpetual war for perp. peace." Obvious solution to Jew-conspiracy is Constantinian Christian cultural revolution as of 4th cent. Roman Empire. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Thor
QRS,I am ruling out Israeli involvement because I see no PROOF of it.Please show any so-called "proof" of Israeli involvement, other than mere coincidences (of which far more exist amongst the Bush administration AND amongst the Muslim world).Reading your blog, I see that every major event that occurs is immediately blamed on Israel.Oh, the terrible Israel. Let's forget about actual PROOF, right?This has become an absolute pathology. You are starting to sound like Appy.
Where is the "PROOF" among the Bush administration and the Muslim world? The proof fed to us by the Keystone cops and Corporate owned media? A passport in the rubble a few blocks from "ground zero" and some flight manuals and a Quran in a van by the airport? Come on! Give me a break. There isn't any more solid proof that "fundamentalist" muslims did it than there is proof that funamentalist zionists did it.The difference between you and I is that I honestly ask cui bono? and I don't rule out anything until I hear something irrefutable. You do.And attempting to assasinate my character to get you where your reasoning won't take you is not very effective because our readers are SMART.
QRS - I am not saying it is impossible the Israelis are involved. But I am saying I do not immediately assume the Israelis are involved until I see substantive proof.You, on the other hand, flat out look to Israel as the likely culprit FIRST and then seek proof to prove your original contention. This applies to most world events. I have noticed this.You have yet to refute the 911 phone records which clearly identify the Muslim fundies as the hijackers. How can you refute it? That is pretty darn substantive.But no...it's Israel! Yes, evil, evil Israel.It is just as likely to be Iran as it is to be Israel. Iran has a record of covert ops and the like. They also were involved in the hostage taking in 1979.http://kmgr.blogspot.com/2006/02/iran-and-blast-in-iraq.htmlYET, I am not even blaming Iran. I am just pointing out the shocking flaws in your logic. Something evil happens in the world? BLAME ISRAEL!
My dear miss r, your characterizations are misleading. I do not "immediately assume" that Israelis are involved. Those suspicions arose naturally from the above mentioned facts. I do not assume in a vacuum. If there weren't so many blatant lies and selective reporting done by the mainstream media I might believe the reports about the telephone calls. But, after all the crap I've seen from the mainstream media I am very much justified in demanding a little more than their bare assertions that something is true.I do not KNOW who did it. But, I am entitled to suspect who circumstantial evidence would lead me to suspect.
Why only look at Israel then? You are cherry picking evidence to reach the conclusion you want to.I am sorry, I refuse to assume anything without evidence.It's not just 911 calls. There are the relatives who were on the phone with people on the planes. They testified as to the phone conversations they had.NONE of this means that bombs were not also in the towers to bring the towers down. I acknowledge that possibility.But it appears the evidence points to Muslim hijackers being on the plane. There is no such corresponding evidence of ISRAELI hijackers on the plane or in fact any connection to Israel.At most, all the other so-called evidence you show about Israelis in fact show the Bush administration's complicity in 9/11. I will agree there is evidence there. I call a spade a spade.But what you are doing is saying "I think Israel is involved, so let me make all sorts of assumptions about a few coincidences that can prove anything to prove this."Frightening, when it is done with such frequency.
And it's not just "reporting" from the mainstream media. I actually HEARD the 911 phone calls.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/fdny_dispatches.htmListen to the 911 records yourself. Then say the planes were not hijacked by Islamic fundies.
"what you are doing is saying 'I think Israel is involved, so let me make all sorts of assumptions about a few coincidences that can prove anything to prove this.'"So, explain the "few coincidences" that I outlined above. I'm all ears.I'm not denying there were hijackers on the plane. But, without having done a background check on each and every one of them there is no way that people on the plane can have any way of knowing the nationality of these hijackers.
s strange that you would categorically exclude Israeli involvement in 9/11 when in fact there were several suspicious incidents surrounding 9/11 involving Isreali citizens and companies, e.g., the instant message warnings at Odigo, the Israelis dancing on rooftops in NJ, the Israeli moving company that abandoned their business without any notice.I don't know who's responsible for 9/11. I just can't understand how you can rule out the involvement of a government that in the words of Ehud Barak, thought 9/11 was 'obviously very good for Israel.'Okay, in order to go through all of this, I would need links to what you are referring to. But I do remember reading of all that and far more occurring with those connected with al queda. To me, saying "well, Israel was likely involved" based on this - and saying al queda was NOT involved - it is cherry picking evidence. (which I will give later - when I am not at work, haha)
Well "Miss R" u know if Israel was involved u would talk exactly as u do, wouldn't u?--denying it to ur last dying breath, eh?And it's a tough call for u, isn't it? Because if Israel has to take a fall, it will be at behest of traitors like topmost mastermind Jews in the Council on Foreign Relations, eh? Maybe UN could only win at expense of Israel? Either way, Jews win, right?Don't forget St. Constantine-the-Great. Thor
You won't find anybody suggesting that the Swedes or the Swiss, the Dutch, etc. etc.The reason that potential connections are made to Israel is patently SIMPLE and comprise the folowing:-1. cui bono - things are coming to a head in M.E. the pressure from world opinion to resolve the Palestinian issue (in Palestine's "favour" is becoming ever greater. A historical injustice can't last forever.2. are they capable of such deception (see below)? yup! - they done shit like this before - AND could eaily justify it in terms of their own paranoid existential narrative. Their modus operandi is always by way of deception. It HAS to be when you are a piss-ass tiny little country surrounded by people you are pissing off by your presence and relentless paranoid belligerence.3. And remember we are also dealing with a belief system that maintains that they alone possess a Nefesh Elokis - a third kind of sould thaat is part of God. The rest of us only have animal souls and "rational souls". this is the origina of their exceptionalism.SO what am I asserting?That the neocons might have employed Mossad to recruit a bunch of Jihadi rubes to hijack those planes. Their involvement need not have gone further.The buildings came down because they were prepped with explosive to do just that - because word got back from Mossad to Larry Silverstein. the temptation to share this info and get a share in the insurance payout far too great.... whilst in the original neocon plan the buildings were not supposed to fall. A direct hit would have sufficed as a cassus belli.
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