a PICTURE says a THOUSAND words
And in the case of Danish cartoons depicting Islam's prophet Muhammad in an unflattering light, those words have kindled a fire that has, in the words of Justice Sanford in Gitlow v. NY, "burst into a sweeping and destructive conflagration."
But, to mistake these turn of events as a conflict over free speech is to ignore decades of military and economic oppression by the west of the muslim world and the depth and breadth of the resentment it's engendered.
This was a calculated move on behalf of a handful of people who stand to gain the most from an imminent military clash of civilizations.
"Now it has become more than a case about the drawings: Now there are forces that wants a confrontation between our cultures ... It is in no one's interest, neither them or us" Danish Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller tells Danish radio.They push for military conflict because they cannot win what they want through a war of ideas.
posted by qrswave @ Sunday, February 05, 2006
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Ernst Zundel (currently in solitary confinement) warned you of this scenario in 1989, when he penned the booklet "THE WEST, WAR AND ISLAM". In this booklet he described how the Zionist's would maneouvre their way into the top eschelons of the Whitehouse and then manipulate America into attacking the middle-east, so both would destroy each other.
1. Anybody who would get upset at and start riots over a cartoon depicting a mythical religious figure should be executed so that they can go join their god in whatever paradise exists beyond this life.
2. Muslims should especially not get angry over such an occurance. They believe that everything is The Will of Allah. Therefore, Allah wanted that cartoon to appear. Who are mere mortals to question the will of god?
3. I find it interesting that when Muslims get upset over something, the European governments talk all high and mighty about "free speech". But if anyone dares criticze Jews or even dares to believe only 99% of the official holocaust account, he is censored and thrown in jail.
4. At this moment, Ernst Zundel and David Irving are in prison for the "crime" of publicly stating their disbelief in certain aspects of the official holocaust account. Is this the action of governments that value free speech? None of the Western papers are even using the term "free speech" when they talk about Zundel and Irving, IF they talk about their case at all.
5. Even though they are stupid enough to believe in an invisible, all-powerful sky monster that controls every aspect of life on earth, Muslims are no stupider than Christians or Jews in that regard. The West has made the mistake of thinking that they can swindle the Muslims in broad daylight and that they are too stupid to notice. No, they notice and they don't like being swindled any more than anyone here in the West would like it.
6. If the situation were reversed and it was Iraqis occupying Europe, Canada and the US, how would YOU react to the invaders? Would you welcome them with open arms, would you just collaborate and get along, or would you grab your deer rifle and start hunting Iraqi soldiers? Would you look for a way to make a profit off the occupation or would you engage in a scorched earth policy, destroying anything that might help the invader?
Qui bono?
Excellent points to ponder, thanks.
Unfortunately, today's American Christian has put aside God's will and live by the words, "Love thy neighbor as thyself", and now seem to be going by the motto, "If you can't reform them, kill them before they kill us". They are embracing the very people who despise and blame Christianity for their past woe's more than any other race or religion , and who are trying ever harder to remove Christ's image from the public domain.
There is no neutral ground here, and Christians can't have it both way's. And if I remember correctly, it wasn't Moslems that had Jesus nailed to the cross.
There is an excellent commentary on the Danish Cartoon Debacle at http://blog.reidreport.com/
Scroll down to the Post Who incited the riots?
There is no other god but Allah (God) and Muhammad (like all the Prophets of Allah before him: Adam, Noah, Moses, Jacob, David, Solomon, Abraham, Jesus.....)is his messenger and slave.
We do not hate Christians or Jews. Muslims, Christians and Jews believe in the same One, True God. We are taught by God (Allah) and Muhammad to revere and respect all his Prophets (peace be upon them ALL) and never to insult or defame them. This is part of our faith. The caricatures of the Prophet was not the issue here as European press seem to be falling over themselves to emphasis but the dark, sinister and centuries old deep seated Western prejudices and feelings they conveyed about the Prophet of Islam, Islam and Muslims. That is, Muhmmad was a violent man, he spread Islam by the sword, and he was a terrorist and by extension so are his followers. The one about the virgins is directly lifted out of vile propaganda the Israelis use to dehumanise the occupied Palestinian resistance.
That said, it is clear that there are some people in Europe who are neither Christian or Jews and are trying very hard to create a clash of civilisations between Christians and Muslims. By insulting dearest of Muslim's beliefs. People like Flemming Rose, the publisher of the grossly offending cartoons of our beloved Prophet, who has never harmed a human or animal, continue to defame and slander our Prophet and religion. You will never hear a Muslim say a bad word about Jesus, Moses or any other messengers of God, hence it is mortally hurtful to us that certain people in the West continue to insult us and provoke us with defamation, that no Muslim worth their salt can ignore. People like Flemming Rose, of course know this and it is planned and calculated attack, to invoke the most extreme reaction. If Muslims had not reacted, these perpetrators would have not ceased but would have tried something else. It was not enough for them to portray ordinary Muslims as terrorists in Hollywood movies and their Zionist Neo-Con columns.
Flemming Rose, the editor of Jylland Posten has direct links to Zionist Neo-Cons like Daniel Pipes. http://mathaba.net/news/print.shtml?cmd[40]=i-42-1adc02f5d68a164e739a445dfefc0929.
You may rightly ask why such violent reaction?
Consider this, after the publication of these "cartoons", the Danish government was approached by 11 Muslim ambassadors but the rightwing, anti immigrant, anti-Muslim Prime Minister, Rasmussen refused to see them, an insult itself. This was four months ago. Muslims tried to avoid this but all they got is a further slap in the face for all their troubles. He seems to have no problems apologising and grovelling to them now. He could have stopped this right there and then buy hosting those ambassadors. Denmark talks of freedom of religion and speech yet did you know Muslims are not allowed to have a Muslim cemetery; all Muslim dead have to be buried in their country of origin or for those born there sent to foreign countries to be buried!
Stig Moeller, correctly has identified that sinister hands are behind the cartoons. Danes need to identify and isolate those sinister hands. They have caused enough damage to their country. People like Flemming Rose have ulterior motive and defending of freedom of speech is not one of them. Cowards like him hide behind such noble ideas to hurt others, namely Muslims and Islam. He dare not say anything against the Holocaust or Israel. This has been proven on this weeks BBC Newsnight programme.
I request that the good peace loving people of Europe understand what is at stake here and whose hands we are playing in to.
Peace to you ALL
The world will be a happier, more peaceful place once all the people who profess belief in Jehovah, Jesus and Allah are dead.
To all Christians, Muslims and Jews - You claim this world is not your home, that you are just passing through on your journey to heaven/paradise. Since your home is elsewhere, please leave this world as soon as possible. And don't touch anything while you are here. Be sure not to let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, we don't want to have to repaint it!
I have been very hesitant in seeing what was right in front of my eyes...I couldnt ignore the reality anymore, when on the BBC, they interviewed the French editor and a local Danish editor. They were both frantically appealing their case, in an almost desperate gibberish...The surnames of the French and Danish editors were...LEVY...and ROSE.
The West in under occupation. We either swim or sink based on our handling of this menace.
I wonder how many would be defending them if the disrespectful cartoons depicted Jesus instead of Mohammed?
Just like at Halloween, how many Christians would stand for the female followers of their religion being depicted as ugly green skinned hags the way the female followers of Wicca are depicted?
It's interesting to see the reactions when the disrespectful stuff is aimed at the religion that is near and dear to one's own heart and soul as opposed to 'the other guys'. (but of course "that's different" ... right?)
I wonder when people will come to realize that to have one's own traditions and beliefs respected BY others, one must first respect the traditions and beliefs OF others?
None of this would be a problem if people would develop a thicker skin and not be so easily offended. It would also help if they actually believed in their Gods. The way they act, they think their God is incapable of taking care of things himself and can be easily made into a fool. Isn't God supposed to be omniscient and omnipotent? What makes you think He needs you to go out and commit violence whenever unbelievers insult Him. Isn't He powerful enough to handle things in His own way and in His own time? Your actions deny the God you claim to follow.
Oh, ye of little faith. Does not God know all? Who are you to judge where God has withheld judgement?
http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/275
I totally agree with that link. The cartoons were meant to be satirical. The Arab countries advocate the death and destruction of the west CONSTANTLY, and yet you don't see people rioting in the streets over that. When Christian groups complain about a depiction of Christ, they get laughed at. When Mohammed is even portrayed - there's mass rioting.
There is a very real cultural war going on right now, and the fundamental problem is that Western freedoms are incompatible with Islamic fundamentalism. Period. The cartoons were pure satire, no question. They should not be censored. It takes guts and a thick skin to be in a real democracy - something the Arab world seems to lack. Their reaction to mere cartoons is to riot and pillage - sort of proving the satirical point of the cartoons.
Clash of civilisations - manipulation by the media.
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2006/02/clash-of-civilisations-manipulation-by.html
http://cytations.blogspot.com
While christianity is on the decline in a cess pool of it's own making in Europe, Islam is resurgent. I have said this many times in the last few years.
Those who have most to lose from this are :
The so called "royal houses" of Europe and the satanic vatican/rothschilds.
Both their "power bases" have been eroded. You saw what happened Diana and Dodi. Think that was an accident? Think again.
That's what all this is really about. Not about oil or Israel.
It's about the perpetuation of these filthy institutions.
It's a war against Islam. Its the new Crusades man.
Thanks, Author.
We're sorry, too, that our government and our military is over-run by power and money-hungry bastards.
WE're sorry that we did not speak sooner.
WE're sorry for watching tv when we could have been fighting to take our country back for ourselves and our children and humanity.
And to the next generation, we promise that from this day on we'll do everything in our power to save the planet from these madmen.
Peace and good will to all.
I'm a christian...I can honestly say that I wouldn't give a rat's ass if Jesus was rudely depicted in a cartoon (actually I might find it ammusing...South Park does it every other week!). It's no threat to my faith and I think that God/Jesus can take care of himself. He doesn't need me to go and break the law and the commandments in order to defend his pride. You'd think we were still living in the dark ages.
This reminds me of an discussion I had with a Lakota indian about the Washington Redskins and Marquette Warriors logos.
I said, "look at the handsome braves--unlike say with Atlanta or Cleveland--and you see that the native American is being held up as a model of courage here."
He simply said, "that should be, and is, for me to say."
Okay, you may not give "a rats ass" if Jesus is lampooned, and THAT is for you to say. But if Mohammed is being lampooned, that is for THEM to say.
Why do Moslems allow themselves to be so easily manipulated, ad infinatum, ad nauseum?
If the West wants public consensus that Moslems are reactionary barbarians, all they have to do is print a cartoon about Mohammed and voila, the Moslems act like reactionary barbarians. Its like flushing a toilet - pull the handle and the water flows down the little hole every single time. After a few TV news clips of rioting Muslims and destroyed property, Western public opinion will allow any kind of military action against such reactionary barbarians.
As I look through the United Nations list of Human Rights I find the right to free expression of ideas, but I don't find "the right to not be offended". Being surrounded by things and people that offend you is a fact of life. Get used to it, because a large segment of the population ENJOYS offending people and it is their human right to be as offensive as they want. It is also your human right to ignore such idiots, but you have to act, not react.
Smart people learn to adapt to the changing world, stupid people insist the world adapt to them.
Ohmigod I completely and totally agree with the last anon post.
Well "Miss R," there's then just the little problem of the holohoax by which u Jews pretend u're "persecuted" rather than being the persecutors. By pretending to this insane religion of "persecution" complex (and holohoax), u justify all ur lies and murders of the gentiles, eh? (For definitive exposition, see ihr.org, Zundelsite.org, and codoh.com.)
Anon, 4:33 PM, ought to apply his legal savvy to holohoax "deniers." So note whatever u pretend is true of the Musselmen goes infinitely more for the Judaic psychotics who now keep Ernst Zundel, G. Rudolf, and D. Irving in jail, to this very day, for their heroic exposures of Judaic holohoax lies by which these Jews impose their stinking religion upon gentiles of the West.
When all is considered, it's certainly understandable Musselmen would be so frustrated by the successful Judeo-"Sadducean" conspiracy and its stranglehold over the West, using the West to oppress the Musselmen. (Ck for further Apollonian essays on NewNation.org, under "commentary" heading, and WhiteAlert.com.) Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Robert Ménard, secretary general of Reporters without Borders, a Paris-based media monitor, however, supported the publication of the blasphemous cartoons saying, "All countries in Europe should be behind the Danes and Danish authorities to defend the principle that a newspaper can write what it wishes to, even if it offends people.
mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?sh_itm=1adc02f5d68a164e739a445dfefc0929
This has got to be the understatement of the century....
zi
Were the Danes set up?
sorry, same link but I meant the post (not the comment):
The first publication of the cartoons in Denmark followed in September 2005. This meeting was attended by the certified neocon fascist madmen Michael Ledeen, Richard Perle, and William Luti all desperadoes haunted by the prospect of criminal indictment for their roles in the Iraq aggression, the Plame case, the Niger yellowcake forgeries, and the Lord Conrad Black embezzlement case. All three are fanatic proponents of the wider war against Iran, also in the hope of staying out of jail. Others in attendance included Dutch, Belgian, and Spanish royalty, top Eurocrats and NATO bigwigs (including NATO Secretary General Jaap Hoop de Scheffer himself) from Brussels, Rockefeller and Rothschild international bankers, and such all-purpose villains as Henry Kissinger. Another prominent participant in the Bavarian Bilderberger group was Anders Eldrep of Denmark, a Bilderberger regular over the last five years. This Anders Eldrep (or Eldrup),the chairman of DONG (Danish Oil and Natural Gas), is the husband of Merete Eldrep, the managing director of JP/Politikens Hus (JP for Jyllands-Posten), the Danish publishing firm which owns the newspaper which first published the Mohammed cartoons.
Fleming Rose, the editor who published the cartoons in Denmark, is affiliated with Daniel Pipes, who can only be kindly described as a rabid Zionist. Pipes runs Campus Watch, an organization that monitors and threatens professors in the United States who attempt to actually teach an accurate history of the Middle East.
In fact, Mr. Rose wrote an article for Pipes that is on Pipes website in Danish. The title translates as "The Threat of Islam." Please check it out for yourself: (here)
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