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CNN anchor takes Israeli spokeswoman to task



CNN anchor: “[Hizbullah’s rockets] are crude rockets, aren’t they? and after all, their impact has been minimal compared to the impact of Israeli strikes on Lebanon.

Explain something to us, why would you not try to be shooting these Katusha missiles, or rockets I should say – they’re not missiles at all - they’re rockets. Why would Israel not be trying to shoot them out of the sky? They have the capability to do that.

Israeli spokeswoman: No, Rosemarie, these are Katusha rockets which they fire a barrel a dozen and the fact that there haven’t been casualties in Israel shouldn’t necessarily be held against us . . .

WRONG!!! It should be held against Israel because in order to justify a claim of self-defense you must use only the force necessary to repel the degree of force being threatened against you. The force used in "self-defense" must be proportionate. In other words, if there are little or no actual casualties in Israel, then Israel is charged with that knowledge and must be held accountable for excessive force used to defend against it.

40 Comments:

At Monday, July 31, 2006, Blogger Firebird said...

I didn't know Pinocchio was Jewish!

 
At Monday, July 31, 2006, Blogger Whitewraithe said...

LIES - LIES - LIES, and more lies!!!!! It was all I could do to even watch this report. CNN and every other Zionist network continues to promote Israel's lies to the people of the world. You know, it would not infuriate me so totally if the networks could manage an unbiased viewpoint and tell the goddamned truth. I'm just fed up with the killing, the carnage and the utter waste of it all. If the world does not retaliate against this aggression we can expect to be their (Zionist) next target at some point in the future.

I read this post over at ICH from an alleged officer in the US military - hope no one minds if I share his thoughts....

You are all blinded by your ideology. I am an active duty military officer, and as such, I recieve information from many pieplines, some public and others not so. What most older men, who grew up during the Vietnam era, and the younger ones who were all instructed by these men, fail to see it that the paradigm has shifted. We have entered a state of imperaial power and total war. The ruling elite laugh at your attempts to expose thier corruption. They know you will never compete with thier propaganda machine. They consider you an enemy, as the military views most liberal academics, and as such see you as a minor threat. To them you are simply a statisically insignificant number of disruptives, preaching to the choir. In fact, they are happy to let the unindoctrinated vent thier frustrations because they know you posses no power, you are no real threat. If you had any guts you would launch an insurgency, however they have worked long and hard to passify and "feminize" the majority of western men. To lead you to believe that free speech and ideas will change the world. It will not. They only thing they respect is raw power. If any journalist ever reaches a level where he gains a mass audience, it comes with a price, loyalty. You people are all wasting your time, sadly.

 
At Monday, July 31, 2006, Blogger Daniel Hoffmann-Gill said...

CNN, for once, have it.

 
At Monday, July 31, 2006, Blogger Sept said...

Hmmmmm...

"There haven't been casualties in israel" ?

Is that a slip or what? israel is claiming several dozen victims from the Katyushas, although we haven't seen any picture.

Something fishy there. Do they have victims, or not. That spokeswhore needs some more grilling.

 
At Monday, July 31, 2006, Blogger Joe said...

Wow they got woman trained. What was that she said at the end? About how the Israeli soldiers were kidnapped by these guys after they crossed the border into Israel? Um.... someone tell her to read the reports that say actually the Israelis were inside Lebanon when they were captured. Hezbollah didn't cross into Israel and snatch them. Oops.

Kudos to that reporter for actually doing her job. I wonder if she still has a job today. Interesting point about shooting down the rockets. That's not the only person who has stated that Israel DOES have the ability to track those things and knock out most of those tinker toy rockets (compared to Israel's arsenal) out of sky before they even hit anywhere within Israel. Israeli citizens being hit should ask their government why they are not doing that. The answer as to why is simple, the criminal Israeli government doesn't really care about their own citizens and if a few die so they can do what they're doing now and kick off World War 3, expand Israels borders and have "the end justifying the means", then so be it. Sickning.

 
At Monday, July 31, 2006, Blogger Akber said...

whitewraithe,

I was thinking on exactly those lines today.

The 'old system' of press, demonstrations worked on the premise of character and shame - a given of Western European, Arab, Jewish, Japanese, Chinese, African and other civilizations.

Once the elite has lost character and shame (the nobility have been replaced by the mercantilists), the result is what we are seeing: mercantilist media, no democracy etc.

So, having a nobility and an aristocracy had its blessings.

Now, what's bothering me is, this stuff we write and demonstrations have zero effect. But while the proletariat are above subsistence and have enough beer and TV, they won't listen.

Since violence is out of the question, what can we do? This is a scourge unprecedented in human history. The people in power almost all over the world have no shame, character or conscience. They can lie through their teeth and still have a good night's sleep and wake up the next morning, buddies with criminals.

We require a different plan - what is it - I don't know yet. But it has to be economic because the only way to defeat the shameless mercantilists is through the economy.

 
At Monday, July 31, 2006, Blogger todd said...

Here's a curious statement:

"The Israel Defence Forces is the most moral army in the world." - Eli Yishai, Trade and Industry Minister

Is Israel the US' junior partner, or is the US subordinate to Israel?

And yes, that is a rhetorical question.

Times Online.

BTW, Democracy Now! was esp. good today.

 
At Monday, July 31, 2006, Blogger Whitewraithe said...

Agreed, Akber.

Yes, I too, believe that the ONLY way the cancer of Zionism can be defeated, without military might, is through the economy. It will necessitate the mutual cooperation of all Americans in order to have any impact though. At present, this is the problem in that the majority of Americans feel no imminent threat in regards to their liberty. Most neither realize that their liberties have been seriously compromised over the last five years with the last two Bushkovik Patriot Acts.

America needs to mobilize and now! I cannot say this with more steadfastness or determination. We have reached a pivotal point where we either act now or resign ourselves to the fact that we may have already lost the war before a battle can begin.

One question: How is it that the journalistic and academic communities failed to warn the public about Zionism decades ago? We now know that Zionism posed a serious threat decades ago, however, no one was talking about it.

 
At Monday, July 31, 2006, Blogger Digital Spy said...

Did she say that there where no casualties in iisrael?

 
At Monday, July 31, 2006, Blogger Egoigwe said...

Like i said elsewhere, Israel's objective in all of this is crystal clear.

To provoke the Middle East against the West, instigate America into another war with Iran and Syria, stimulate mega-hatred to further tear our world apart and to completely degrade the UN.

By this, to justify further war aid and slush funds from America, paid for by its taxpayers. This is why Israel cannot bear to Lebanon emerge as a stable democratic influence in the region because it would provide America an easier road to peace and disable Israel's dubious role in the region that extorts trillions of dollars from its taxpayers.

Why is talk about two captured Israeli soldiers and not about the thousands of Palestinian and Lebanese civillians languishing in Israeli detention centers? Why is the talk about a Palestinian 'uprising' and not about its precious and most valuable lands that have been serially appropiated by Israel since the 1940's? Why is it being said that those captured Israeli soldiers were taken on Israeli soil instead of Ayta ash Shab in Lebanon? Who is the master puppeteer pulling the strings of World War 111?

Has Israel ever stopped to think that World War 111 might well be betwween Israel, America and the rest of the World. Right now, that's what the statistics imply!

 
At Monday, July 31, 2006, Blogger rebel jedi said...

Israeli reaction to news that no one wants to play soccer there:

Israeli FA chairman Iche Menahem reacted angrily to the news and said the IFA would "respond severely and will not let the decision pass unchallenged".

Watch out Uefa!

"I would like Uefa to take this decision while they are here in Israel and not from their offices in Switzerland," Menahem said in a statement.


Does sound awfully rosy in Israel according to that chap. Watch out Switzerland!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/5233366.stm

 
At Monday, July 31, 2006, Blogger Gyps said...

CNN International, of course! This Miri Eisen is on my last nerve too. The way she says Hezbollah sounds like she's a serpent. You know what really gets me? Their total BS excuse about Hezbollah hiding behind civilians.

AS IF THAT EXCUSES ANYTHING!!!

If they KNOW this to be true and if they shoot and bomb anyway, they're STILL MURDERERS. They know and do it anyway...that's even worse.

In addition the rockets launch from MOVING TRUCKS that are long gone before you kill children!

They can't EVEN call it an accident anymore in this day of precision guided missiles full of DU and white phosphorus delivered fresh from the U.S.A.

Let's see...rockets against precision missiles. Right...that's fair. And then she has the gall to whine, "Don't hold it against us that we're not getting killed?!" Pfff...the world is so over it. They're going to have to come up with some more original excuses.

We see clearly now. The old tricks aren't working this time because we know, for whatever reasons, we know now.

And the coverage of Qana on FOXNEWS has been FLAT OUT INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING.

Both Fox and CNN showed the infrared or whatever footage provided to them by the IDF as their big excuse, showing rocket launches and rocket launching trucks near civilian housing and buildings.

CNN was careful to say each time that this was NOT from the Qana incident. Fox just allowed people to assume it was...they just didn't say either way. That is treachery in my book. FoxNews too should be sanctioned! Or worse.

 
At Monday, July 31, 2006, Blogger Gyps said...

Yes she did, Digital Spy. But then she said that those killed were killed coming up for air (wonder if they were Christians or Muslims). Bad me! I know.

 
At Monday, July 31, 2006, Blogger Sam said...

Hi,

I am new here and it is refreshing to read what you have to say.

I thought I’d share with you a link that recently received from an Arab speaking friend, the link is to Al Jazeera (it is in Arabic) but look at the pictures I think they speak volumes. Follow the arrow to the red dots if you are prepared to see dead children resulting from the recent escalation in Gaza; it portrays names and how they were killed. I wonder if CNN would debate to air these atrocities.

http://www.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6E4C3AA1-E2B4-4A8D-8FEF-DEFF5C302F47.htm

 
At Tuesday, August 01, 2006, Blogger Sam said...

.... on a second thought, nuhh CNN would not air the pictures...they are picutres of dark skin people ... they don't matter.

And you wonder how this does not feed more terroisom... and so it goes..

 
At Tuesday, August 01, 2006, Blogger Brother John said...

> We require a different plan - what is it - I don't know yet. But it has to be economic because the only way to defeat the shameless mercantilists is through the economy. --- They have even more control over the economy than they do the media. And the military officer quoted above is largely correct. Not to advocate anything of course, as William Cooper wisely said whoever fires the first shot will lose. I think the Founding Fathers knew this at the time they were fighting for our independence as well.

 
At Tuesday, August 01, 2006, Blogger Gyps said...

Actually, Sam, we have been seeing the pictures here in the U.S., on CNN and on MSNBC and of course online. Most of the people of America are not indifferent to what is going on there. Our government is not us. We are seeing more pictures and film from Lebanon because the media did not have time to "become embedded" (read that as "become controlled") as it is in Gaza and Iraq and Afghanistan. They mention how censored the news out of Israel is quite often.

When the people who are perpetrating these atrocities on other humans laid their nefarious plans, they didn't count on the power of technology...cell phones that take photos, the internet, and people's basic goodness. And this is exactly why they are trying so hard to control the media and to shut down or seriously control the internet.

 
At Tuesday, August 01, 2006, Blogger mugwort said...

"One question: How is it that the journalistic and academic communities failed to warn the public about Zionism decades ago? We now know that Zionism posed a serious threat decades ago, however, no one was talking about it."
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That's a very cogent question, to which the answer is of great importance if we hope to turn around this war chariot that seems right now to be heading for the cliffs.

The journalistic and academic communities failed to warn us about Zionism decades ago because they have been controlled for much longer than decades. WWI, for example, was made possible by the wholesale bribing of the French press with Russian money, in order to demonize Germany enough to start a world war against it. The same thing went on in order to make possible the Second World War. You can't have a war, you know, without people for cannon fodder—and if the press were to tell the truth, people would never agree to fight.

And that goes for WWI and WWII just as much as WWIII.

What can we do about it?

Everyone who truly cares about the welfare our fellow-human beings must take the radical stand of looking at the true facts of history, particularly (but not limited to) 20th century history—World War II, the alleged “Good War” is a good place to start. Just substitute Germany for Iraq, Lebanon, etc, and you’ll see some striking similarities. The information is not available in the mainstream press, or, for the most part, from mainstream publishers, but that doesn't mean it's not available.

It's called, variously, Historical Revisonism, Historical Exactitude, True History or Real History. Whatever it's called, it consists of, as the great revisionist historian Harry Elmer Barnes wrote, "Bringing History into accord with the facts."

Why should that process seem so radical? Because virtually everything you have ever read (been allowed to read) not only is based on absolutely false premises, but also very effectively demonizes as "neo-Nazis," anyone who strays from the PC Zionist line in the most crucial areas.

Here are three related questions:

1. Why is "neo-Nazi" the most shameful name you can be called? And
2. Why are questioners of the factuality of the “Holocaust” or people who speak in defense of the Third Reich, National Socialism or Hitler, and wish to expose the true genesis of WWII labeled “neo-Nazis”? And
3. Why is it that in Europe and some other countries there is one “historical” incident, and one alone on which everybody has to hew to the “party line” on pain of sizable prison terms, large fines, and massive extra-legal harassment? (That topic, as you know, is the alleged “Holocaust.”)

Here are the answers (or at least MY answers):
1. Being thought of as a Nazi is the most shameful thing because the Nazis allegedly perpetrated the “Holocaust,” which was a state program to “exterminate” European Jews, 6 million of whom they succeeded in killing, many of them in homicidal gas chambers. Most civilized non-Talmudist human beings, abhor the thought of gratuitous killing of innocent people, especially women and children. These normal Gentiles (and some righteous Jews, of course) would feel very ashamed to be thought to be connected with such a program.
2. People who question the alleged “Holocaust” are called “Neo-Nazis” (“anti-Semitism” as a smear is really losing its cache) because being smeared as a mass-murderer and baby-killer will arouse so much shame in the individual and such loathing in everyone around him that the majority of people won’t even dream of exposing themselves by thinking in forbidden pathways.

Instead, they become the voice of disapproving PC society themselves, self-protectively. They will usually get quite angry at breach of the PC line that 6 million Jews were exterminated, etc.—in spite of the fact that, logically, you would think people would be glad to find out that 6 million people hadn’t been cruelly murdered before their time. They seem to think that if someone says the people weren’t murdered it’s code meaning they agree with killing 6 million You’d think they’d want to know more about the evidence for the good news, so they could rejoice in it, but more often than not they want to shut you up.

Why? The only possible reason for such behavior is that, consciously or not, they are afraid. Why are they afraid? Because the people they feel obliged to think of as helpless victims (on pain of being called “neo-Nazis”), far from being helpless, are usually able to punish those who step out of line quite effectively.

3. The reason they put people in jail for “denying” the
“Holocaust” is, of course, that the “Holocaust” will not stand up to objective scrutiny. Israel and world Jewry have an incredible amount to lose—financially, geographically, and in terms of power.

Of course, these are exactly the reason why anyone who does not want to see any more of this genocide
SHOULD do the necessary research to convince him or herself of the truth, and then spread that truth around as much as possible.

There is much more to say on this subject, obviously, and there are tons of resources on the web, including whole scholarly, footnoted books (as you’ll see, the quality of research in revisionist texts far exceeds that of conventional, PC accounts, much of which consists of repeating falsehoods already written by some other PC historian).

 
At Tuesday, August 01, 2006, Blogger hedge trimmer said...

Weapons made in Iran and Syria? Really??

Iran gets their weapons from Russia. Source: FOX

Syria gets their weapons from Russia. Source: NewsMax


and Israel?

They get their weapons from the US: Source MSNBC

 
At Tuesday, August 01, 2006, Blogger van diemen said...

If the good people of America were to climb atop every Fox building in the land and paint in big letters...U.N....i would shed no tears.
I am sick to death of being beaten around the head by the MSM,my govt,and other assorted fools in my midst.
I am from Australia and we are of course subservient to your country and Israel.We have a few here who are switched on to the Zionist agenda,but not nearly enough.
I have been waiting for some time now to hear or see word of some sort of social uprising coming from your land,but all i see is O'Reilly and Idol.
The MSM is an absolute disgrace to half thinking people anywhere in the world.We need to cripple this beast of 1 thousand lying tongues somehow,but i fear the alleged officer may be right.....we may as well go grab a six pack,switch on the footy,and try to make the most of our captivity.

 
At Tuesday, August 01, 2006, Blogger cumatac said...

THIS SHIT IS SOOOOOOO BOGUS AND IT MUST STOP! FUK iSRAEL WITH A GLASS PETER! WE NEED TO STOP PAYIN TAXES TO THESE FOCKERS IF THEY GONNA CONTINUE TO TAKE OUR MONEY AND SUPPORT THE WHOLESALE SLAUGHRTER OF ANY PEOPLE BE THEY ARAB AFRICAN HISPANIC OR OTHER... UM BOUT THROUGH WITH THIS WHITE MAN'S WORLD ALL THEY KNOW IS KILL STEAL AND DESTROY! A PLAUGE ON ALL MANKIND SINCE THEY LEFT THE CAUCUS MTS. FOCK EM ALL AND ALL OF THEYRE GODS TOO!

 
At Tuesday, August 01, 2006, Blogger Gyps said...

great post, mugwort.

and hedgetrimmer too...isn't free trade wonderful? sell people the weapons that they turn around and kill other people with so that they can turn around and sell those people more weapons to kill us with. perpetual war...perpetual feeding of the war machine while exterminating the vermin on all sides until all that's left standing...well your guess is as good as mine. i imagine that the next thing to go will be the religions they used so cleverly and skillfully as tools to divide common people everywhere and to set them to hating and fearing each other so much.

After Syria and Iran, if the world survives that, what next? Cuba, Venezuela, what's left of Africa after the civil wars are allowed to run their course and exterminate even more unwanted people? How long before the U.S. itself is the target? We're close. Then Australia and NZ.

These are dire and critical times. And this is not prophecy...it's a plan.

The media is both complicit and scared. Threatened and controlled. An so are all the people of the world who see and do nothing. They would love for us to think we have no power, but we do. We do.

 
At Tuesday, August 01, 2006, Blogger Gyps said...

p.s. mugwort...don't you just love the newest term they've coined? neo-anti-Semite. just for the "left." isn't that just precious.

 
At Tuesday, August 01, 2006, Blogger nesNYC said...

I'm shocked the violins weren't playing when the "Israeli" spokeswoman was speaking. What a load of crap.

 
At Tuesday, August 01, 2006, Blogger ken said...

Wow,

this is great, eeryone posting here has there eyes at least half open.

Solutions? You want solutions? That's my gig.

It is being said that the only way is economic - I have to tell you, they could float without any economic activity whatsoever for a long time - Since it is big money whom are at the top. Israelis themselves are hostages, humans shields to the pupetmasters, useful idiots, etc., whether or not they recognize that. Most are brainwashed from their upbringing and are beyond repair, and therefore the enemy due to that. Ist is a severe sickness.

We the people aren't holding many cards. Even if we managed a coup and took our government back (which is constitutionally possible), we will in no way be out of the woods. Infact the economy is gonna get us before we could ever manage to prevent it, and thus - back to solutions......

The only thing that we can do (repeat this 3 times) is cover our asses.

I know this may seem a strange and seemingly disconnected from all that we face. It will seem unconfrontational toward our enemy in the limelight. But this is all we have and what we have to do.

We need to plan as to how we will save ourselves in the event of any disaster. Be it economic, natural disaster, or attacks which may take any form from city center nukes, to full and indefinite grid shutdown, or fuel cutoff. As you can see, these threats would remain looming even following a successful retake of the government.

Such a plan would enable both an emergency response for the immediately effected, and an exodus to the rural for the masses - in a coordinated way.

This plan would be designed so that everybody would be able to continue to survive indefinitely if there were no possibility of return.

Each person would be equipped with with an exact set of instructions as to what to do and how to conduct themselves and proceed.

I believe we could have this system and infrastructure in place and ready to go within 6 months, and fully operational by the end of next summer.

This country is big enough to support every one of us quite well - if we prepare.

There will manifest some side effects early on if we decide to do this.
1. we will need to have small community gather places for the disemination of emergency related information. This will double as an obvious community meeting point where our constitutional right to change any law we wish shall be convened.
2. This system once in place, can act as an economic shock absorber, to absorb any whom are effected by any degree of finacial disolve.
3. Due to this systems ability to enable as many as the entire population to survive, without any of the functions of what we consider our present system - it also falls under a very strong definition of sustainability.
4. This system can be exercised regularly and to any degree with or without a disaster. It can dignifiably support our presently poverty stricken, or anybody looking for a challenge and a change.

This system will require a relatively small investment for some infrastructure and supplies, but once in place, require very little maintenance right on into the future.

Once we have taken back the government, and weathered the instabilities, of course we can devote greater attention to this and literally build higher tech and more comfortable sustainable communities.

Whadayathink?

 
At Tuesday, August 01, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

The idea is great. But, how to implement?

You talk about communities, but here at this thread we are only a handful of people, so dispersed throughout the country as to make it impossible to have any appreciable effect on our own.

That said, I am interested in hearing more on a tangible outline for communities, which if polished and feasible could at the very least form a first step for something which eventually MUST be done - in the event of a large scale disaster affecting our communications infrastructure, this world is going local.

 
At Tuesday, August 01, 2006, Blogger Nick said...

How many Israelis have died? From what I hear the number is 51 (it may have gone up). Out of that 51, 33 were IDF, legitimate military targets.

Cant say that Israel has the same kill ratio.

 
At Tuesday, August 01, 2006, Blogger DarthJewdi said...

We are devoting time and energy to destroying every web we see but the spider is still alive and well. It is the Spider we should be addressing but it so easy for the Spider to get us to focus on one of his many webs. Many are webs of lies. (Surprise, surprise) The lies about Waco. The lies about the OKC bombing. The lies that got us into Vietnam. The lies that got us into Iraq. (I know, I know: I he left out a lot of lies in between those two gargantuan lies.) The lies surrounding the events of 9/11/2001 which the Administration spins and the “Media” publishes. The Republicans lie and the Democrats swear to it.
So some of us focus on the stolen election. Others focus on our fellow Americans displaced and discarded by an Administration so “Green” (as in greenbacks not as in green grass) they cannot see your plight if you are black. Still others focus on the “War” on terror which seems to be designed to bankrupt and terrorize the American people. Yet others focus on our porous southern border, made so by design by our elected “representatives”. And on and on it goes. OK. So much for the bad news. I do actually have a recommendation:
Make a vow this moment not to vote for any war supporter. (That leaves only 2 incumbents for whom you may vote in the entire US of A) Do not vote for anyone, ANYONE who does not actually represent you. Before this war was started based on a pack of lies and backed up with forgeries, 48% of Americans were against the war and 52% in favor. (Consider also that the greater majority of those polled were being lied to but still 48% were against the war) If you vote for ANY incumbent Senator or Representative (other that the 2 previously mentioned) YOU ARE VOTING FOR MORE WAR! Period. Stop lying to yourself. Do something different. We keep doing the same things we have always done but we expect different results. That is the definition of insanity. To obtain different results different actions must be undertaken. That’s pretty simply stuff, America. We can do it. But will we? I am not optomistic.

 
At Tuesday, August 01, 2006, Blogger Gyps said...

Ron Paul in 2008! Mixed ticket with Mr. Feinstein maybe. Shake it up.

 
At Tuesday, August 01, 2006, Blogger Sam said...

Thanks gyps I did not doubt for a moment that you or the readers of this blog are not informed. As I mentioned I am new and it gives me great pleasure to read your posts and need time to catch-up on earlier dialogue.

Borther john,
As an economist I would say you are dead right. This war, as with all wars, is to conquer and control resources, and in this war it is no different it is about two things: Water and Oil. Don’t be fooled with spreading democracy or fighting terrorism Ideals – I know you are not.

To begin with, the West Bank sits on the largest water aquifer in the region- therefore the return of the West Bank to the Palestinians is out of the question. Gaza is just a thorny nugget that is eventually going to be under Egypt control.

Israeli official have their eye on the Latani River in Southern Lebanon while back and this river provides for the lush environment and it support agriculture in Sothern Lebanon. Also would provide a great asset to all the settlements in Northern Israel since pumping water to the northern part of Israel is becoming infeasible. Israel was reluctant to go through the war on Lebanon unless they can get a piece of the pie.

What do we get in return? Northern port of Tripoli in Lebanon – easy access to the European market to export Iraq’s Oil, also contracts to rebuild Lebanon appropriated to the cronies of Rumsfeld and company (after they secure a path through Syria). This is double bountiful; we have control over the price of oil the European need to fuel their economy and irradiated any resistant to the New Middle East plans.

What to do and How do we fight it?
1. Look around at what people consume; everything they can buy leaving nothing for tomorrow. (despite the fact they can afford it or not, thanks for the extended credit through credit cards and other offers they receive in the mail) As American citizens we are fueling an on going cycle of consumption. We are constantly bombarded by tv how do we need a bigger better car and house, how we need to look younger and healthier … they are touching on our insecurities to make our life better, and we buy into it. What we as Americans need to do is to stop buying stuff that we don’t need, corporation will scale back on production – that in turn will have another ramification on the economy but will spare you the details of this. You can vote by not spending.

2. Revolutions need critical masses, that is, there are enough individuals that are as equally as angry, outraged, and frustrated as you are -- not politically more importantly they need to feel deprived economically; in other words when they don’t have enough money to put food on the table. But the fact of the matter there isn’t enough individuals.

Although we Americans, in real terms, are poorer than we were in the 60’s, but thanks for the corporation investing in sweatshops all over the world we are getting stuff cheaper and cheaper than 60’s and 70’s. Therefore, our reduced purchasing power is compensated for by getting cheaper stuff, and so the pinch of poverty will not be felt by the masses – more importantly the middle class.

Then the way to do it is “TO WALK THEIR WALK AND TALK THEIR TALK,” period. This is the era of the suits, ties, polish shoes and groomed faces; it is an era of actions done by organized group – a good lesson look at AIPAC.

If you are angry about what is going on then contact your congressman/woman, senator, or minister and prime minister, your local officials. Organize, educate, rally, write to the editorial page, and conduct public gathering and hold church meetings. You have the power and our government is constantly entrenching us that we are so marginalized and because of this, individuals feel helpless and individuals acknowledge that their opinion is irrelevant and they look for the “next joe” to do the right thing – they are looking for a leader. BE THAT LEADER.

I am meeting with my representative in few weeks and will demand an explanation for why he voted on HR 4681 and will display a downloaded version of Qana I and II and will demand an explanation of how my tax dollars being spent to slaughter others to further benefits neo-con agenda in the Middle East. There are lots of us who are doing what they do because they believe there is an end result to their action, even it seems minuscule but have a large effect on the drift of foreign policy.

 
At Tuesday, August 01, 2006, Blogger GoBabyGo said...

Anybody knows the name of that brave and smart CNN anchor? I thought I heard the Israeli woman call her "Rosemary". I searched on the CNN site but did not dig up anything. She ought to be remembered/mentioned by name. We need more people like that.

 
At Tuesday, August 01, 2006, Blogger SaadalHasan said...

Does Zionism justify the killing of innocent non-jews...The answer is yes, the manner in which Israelis in the last 60 years have conducted warfare, read terrorism, from the bombing of the King David Hotel to the latest atrocity commited in Qana, and more importantly how it has gone comemorating each of these events as glorious chapters in modern Israeli/jewish/zionist history not only hightlights their complete disregard for the loss of innocent non-jewish lives but also reinforces the very notion...Bibi Netnayahu recently attended an event in the US, where the King David hotel bombing, in which 92 people died, many of whom were nurses, was celebrated. Dr. Baruch Goldstein who Massacred 29 worshippers in the Ibrahimi mosque in cold blood has earned himself a shrine which attracts scores of visitors each year. The biggest war criminal in Israeli history, who according to Israel’s own investigation was indirectly responsible for the massacre at Sabra and Shatila has been elevated to the status of a legend in Israeli folklore. The armed to teeth settlers, who invariably kill innocent Arab men, women and children usually get off with a slap of wrists, i.e. six month in jail. Even in the aftermath of the Qana massacre, the Israelis and their Christain-Zionist supporters are lamenting the diplomatic ground and PR war Israel is ostensibly losing, not the moral reprehensibility and egregiousness of deliberate and targeted killing of the civilians.
All of these factors compound to evince the true and sinister psyche of core Jewish and Christian-Zionist beliefs, i.e. Non-Jewish lives, be they gentile, or the pesky sub-human arab cockroaches are not worth the same as Jewish-lives, hence justified to kill…

The Massacre at Qana


By OMAR BARGHOUTI

Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora condemned Israel's massacre in Qana today as a "heinous crime" and called Israeli leaders "war criminals." Reacting to an earlier atrocity, he wondered: "Is the value of human life in Lebanon less than that of the citizens of other countries?"[1] The answer, at least as far as Israel is concerned, is an unambiguous "yes!" Israel's latest bloodbath, which claimed the lives of dozens of children and women hiding from the relentless bombing in what they hoped was a secure basement in Qana, betrays not only Israel's criminal disregard for the value of Arab human life, a typical colonial attitude towards natives, but also its increasingly fundamentalist perception of Gentiles in general as lesser humans.
Israeli apologists who will try to spin this new massacre as yet another "mistake" must expect their audience to have an awfully short memory or a very low IQ. Israel has explicitly indicated in the past few days that it may resort to such atrocious measures, especially since its armed forces have failed to achieve any tangible military gains after 19 days of rolling massacres and wanton destruction across Lebanon. Israeli minister of justice, Haim Ramon, issued a stern warning [2] only days ago that a large area in south Lebanon was regarded by his government effectively as a free-fire zone, advocating indiscriminate bombing of villages inside it to ease the so-far unsuccessful advance of the Israeli army. "These places are not villages. They are military bases in which Hizbollah are hiding and from which they are operating," he said, adding that, since Israel had ordered Lebanese civilians to leave the area, "All those now in south Lebanon are terrorists who are related in some way to Hizbollah, Israel's biggest-selling paper, Yedioth Ahronoth, advocated [3] raising the threshold of Israel's response to Katyusha rockets: "In other words: a village from which rockets are fired at Israel will simply be destroyed by fire." It is worth noting that all available evidence points to the fact that no Katyusha was fired by the Lebanese resistance from Qana before the bombing.
Among Israel's staunch Zionist supporters in the West, the same "talking points" were parroted. Harvard academic Alan Dershowitz recently argued [4] that, "Hezbollah and Hamas militants [] are difficult to distinguish from those 'civilians' who recruit, finance, harbor and facilitate their terrorism. Nor can women and children always be counted as civilians, as some organizations do. Terrorists increasingly use women and teenagers to play important roles in their attacks." He concluded saying, "The Israeli army has given well-publicized notice to civilians to leave those areas of southern Lebanon that have been turned into war zones. Those who voluntarily remain behind have become complicit."
Thus the massacre in Qana.
Qana's name is associated with an earlier Israeli massacre. In 1996, during its military offensive codenamed "Grapes of Wrath," Israel's air force bombed a UN shelter in the village, slaying more than 100 civilians, mostly children, and inviting almost universal verbal condemnation but no real threats of sanctions or any other form of effective punitive measures from the international community. In the current Israeli war on Lebanon this is only the most recent episode in a series of smaller atrocities deliberately committed by the Israeli army against Lebanese civilians in an attempt to collectively "punish" them for the humiliating defeat its elite military units have so far experienced at the hands of the formidable Lebanese resistance, most noticeably in the legendary town of Bint Jbeil.

This intentional and coldly calculated Israeli policy of targeting innocent Lebanese civilians and civilian infrastructure stems from a time-honoured, but hardly ever successful, Israeli doctrine of applying intense "pressure" against a civilian population in order to compel them, in-turn, to pressure the resistance into submitting to Israeli dictates, thereby doing Israel's bidding by proxy. It has been consistently used against the Palestinians ever since the Nakba of 1948, and is still applied now in the ongoing barbaric offensive and hermetic siege against Gaza. Israel may have plagiarized this doctrine from the legacies of previous oppressors, but it has refined it to a degree that it no longer raises any moral qualms in most of Israeli society, where it is widely accepted by the public as a right, even a duty in the fight for Israel's "security."
Such blatant racism, which may have been frowned upon in the past by many Jewish-Israelis as a pathological anomaly, is now quite popular in the Israeli mainstream, including among lawmakers, academics, journalists and, of course, military leaders. While it has become normal to read scathing -- occasionally valid -- critiques of the hateful and chauvinistic discourse "inherent" in Islamic and even Christian brands of fundamentalism, Jewish fundamentalism, which is among the key factors informing current Israeli apartheid policies and laws, remains a taboo subject that is rarely discussed or debated in the West. It is rooted in a long tradition of fanatic, yet popular, fundamentalist interpretations of Halakhah, or Jewish law, propagated by influential rabbis and internalized by a widely acquiescent Israeli society, secular and religious sectors alike. Even before the creation of Israel, the core concept in this fundamentalist worldview was publicly espoused by Rabbi Abraham Yitzhak Kook, the first Ashkenazi chief rabbi of Palestine, who said, "The difference between a Jewish soul and the souls of non-Jews...is greater and deeper than the difference between a human soul and the souls of cattle."[5]

The late Israeli academic and human rights advocate, Israel Shahak, traced the roots of Israeli public justification for killing Palestinians, for instance, to similar readings of the tenets of Halakhah. While the murder of a Jew is considered a capital offence in Jewish law, the murder of a Gentile is treated quite differently. "A Jew who murders a Gentile," Shahak reveals, "is guilty only of a sin against the laws of heaven, not punishable by court." Indirectly, but intentionally, causing the death of a Gentile is "no sin at all." [6] A booklet published in 1973 by the Central Region Command of the Israeli army subscribes to this same doctrine. In it, the Command's Chief Chaplain writes

"When our forces come across civilians during a war or in hot pursuit or in a raid, so long as there is no certainty that those civilians are incapable of harming our forces, then according to the Halakhah they may and even should be killed Under no circumstances should an Arab be trusted, even if he makes an impression of being civilized In war, when our forces storm the enemy, they are allowed and even enjoined by the Halakhah to kill even good civilians, that is, civilians who are ostensibly good. [7]
In 1996, the same year the first Qana massacre was committed, Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburgh, a leader of the powerful Lubavitch Hassidic sect, echoed the same principle, rhetorically asking, "If a Jew needs a liver, can he take the liver of an innocent non-Jew to save [the Jew]?," answering, "The Torah would probably permit that. Jewish life has an infinite value. There is something more holy and unique about Jewish life than about non-Jewish life." [8] Moreover, Ginsburgh coauthored a book defending the 1994 massacre of Muslim worshippers in Al-Ibrahimi mosque (Patriarchs' Cave) in Hebron, in which he argued that when a Jew kills a non-Jew the act does not constitute murder according to the Halakhah, adding that the killing of innocent Palestinians as an act of revenge is a Jewish virtue.

During the first months of the current Palestinian initfada, it was common for Israeli army spokespeople to justify killing Palestinian children throwing stones by saying that they "threatened human life." (B'Tselem Report) Not soldiers' lives, not Israeli lives, but human life. One cannot escape the implication that the alleged sources of the threat are not exactly eligible to be called human in the army's common diction.

In this context, it is entirely justified to see Israel's second massacre in Qana as the rule, not the exception.

This often ignored menace of Jewish fundamentalism needs to be addressed as seriously as other forms of fanatic religious thought which sows racial hatred, animosity and war mongering. While adhering to moral principles alone will certainly not bring any of Qana's murdered children back to life or compensate any bereaved parent or loved one anywhere, perhaps insisting on the equal worth of all human lives, regardless of ethnicity or religion, and rejecting racism from any source, including from sanctimonious former victims, can help diminish the chances of such ruthless crimes recurring in the future. Irrespective of the Holocaust, or precisely because of it, Israel should not be allowed to get away with its racist, at-will flaunting of international law and its state terrorism against defenseless civilians. It is time to go beyond mere condemnation to properly channel irrepressible grief and simmering anger into morally sound acts of intervention. Just as it worked against apartheid South Africa, a comprehensive regime of boycott against Israel is urgently called for. People of conscience everywhere share the responsibility of stopping this unrestrained behemoth before it scorches everything in its blind quest for hegemony and colonial control.

Omar Barghouti is an independent political analyst.

References:
[1] Jonathan Steele and Rory McCarthy. "Strike on bunker failed, says Hizbullah. The Guardian, July 20, 2006.
[2] Patrick Bishop. Diplomats argue as all of south Lebanon is targeted. Telegraph, July 28, 2006.
[3] Harry de Quetteville. You're all targets, Israel tells Lebanese in South. Telegraph, July 28, 2006.
[4] Alan Dershowitz. 'Civilian Casualty'? It Depends. Los Angeles Times, July 22, 2006.
[5] Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky. Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel. Pluto Press, London, 1999. P. ix.
[6] Israel Shahak. Jewish History, Jewish Religion-The Weight of Three Thousand Years. Pluto Press. London, 2002. P. 75-76.
[7] Ibid. P. 76.
[8] Ibid. P. 43.]

 
At Tuesday, August 01, 2006, Blogger Whitewraithe said...

To the contributors of TTWSYF -

Would you consider starting a forum for all of us commenting to get together in order to further discuss these and other issues?

We really need a place to begin mobilizing and organizing since we are so displaced geographically.

If a blog can be linked I would be glad to setup the forum.

I can be reached at ladyhope@gmail.com

Thanks.

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006, Blogger van diemen said...

GoBabyGo said...

Anybody knows the name of that brave and smart CNN anchor? I thought I heard the Israeli woman call her "Rosemary". I searched on the CNN site but did not dig up anything. She ought to be remembered/mentioned by name. We need more people like that.

Tue Aug 01, 02:28:00 PM EDT

Here you go baby,go. Never mind the Belfast business,shes Australian as far as im concerned.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/anchors_reporters/church.rosemary.html

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

whitewraithe,

I hope to move this blog to its own url soon which includes a forum.

I am just trying to get it together. God willing, within the next few weeks.

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006, Blogger Sam said...

To saadalhasn

David Ben-Gurion (nee Green) was responsible for this January 1, 1948 diary entry concerning the so-called Arab problem: “What is necessary is cruel and strong reactions. We need precision in time, place, and casualties. If we know the family, we must strike mercilessly, women and children included. Otherwise, the reaction is inefficient. At the place of action, there is no need to distinguish between guilty and innocent.”

There you have it, and so it goes….

To whitewraitha

Would love to get together and forum would be ideal to exchange ideas as to how to proceed and organize group actions. You can contact me at samtheseventh@hotmail.com

 
At Friday, August 04, 2006, Blogger Rattrap said...

I thought it was interesting that at first, the CNN reporter seemed to be attacking the Israeli spokeswoman for the misuse of force (guided missiles, women & children killed, etc.) and THEN switched to questioning her why the Israelis aren't shooting the Hezbollah rockets out of the sky. Either the CNN reporter has a big problem with ANYONE getting killed (in which I suggest she does her next segment in West-coast Philly), or she is looking for anything she can to throw against the Israeli spokeswoman.

 
At Thursday, June 14, 2007, Blogger T. said...

You reap what you sow. You teach your children to hate, you teach your children to kill, you teach your children to die...

Gaza strip today, right now... Palestinian killing Palestinian, Muslim killing Muslim... YOU are the devils, you are the haters, you are the killers, you are the ignorant sick bastards of humanity!

But I guess somehow, you will try to blame the Jews for that too...

 
At Monday, October 08, 2007, Blogger anna said...

WOW, "In other words, if there are little or no actual casualties in Israel, then Israel is charged with that knowledge and must be held accountable for excessive force used to defend against it."
what a primitive way of thought..
well, you punched me and now i punched you back- fair and square..
and tomorrow he'll come to punch me again- not a very effective settelment would you say...which is exactly why israel needs to defend itself and apply the necessary force to make a POINT!!!
a POINT...unfortunatly people only get it the hard way..speaking of which it is argued that israel uses to much force however many believe just the opposite, in fact israel is to lenient and numerous times it makes a point to avoid hitting civlians. Here's the funny thing israeli millitary notifies like it did in lebanon, civlians in advance on where its gonna attack so that they could get away from the place and to avoid cavilian casualties.. where did you ever observe in a war that one side would warn the other side about its next action, where will you ever see it? and people still have the nerve to say that israel is responsible for the civilian casualties.. it is not at all israel's fault that these terorrists in lebanon were using their cavilians as a shield- how cowardly, informing civilians was not only a humane thing to do of israel but it also hurt their strategy in that everytime they told cavilians to get a way from the attack with the civilians the terrorists too got away.. oviously these people have no value for human life. there's a good saying: "Peace is possible when islamists begin to love their children more than they hate jews", another words the underlying difference here is that hizbullah terrorists will stand behind their civilians and israeli soldiers will stand in front of their civilians to protect. this "civlilzation" have drifted so far away from the humane, it teaches its own little children how to fire guns, for god sakes, and that a suiced bomber will earn a place in heaven by killing INNOCENT people what a mind job... and for all of these who talk about falsifying news and biases here's somethin for you: it wasn't an israeli reporter that photoshoped pictures of lebanon casualties to make it seem like there was more smoke in the sky than there really was, how's that for size? how lame? in one case they even got a futage of palestinans parading their dead on their backs in front of cameras and one coffin or whatever it was fell over and whoever was laying on it stood back on his feet, thats right they tried to pass a random man as a dead victim talk about lies.. nways theres'nt much point becuz these people have an objective and its not the well being of their members their sole objective is to kill jews, sad however it seems to be their only purpose in life.. israel should recognize unfortunatly that peace will never come and israel has to stop giving up pieces of it land for "temporary peace" deals, you give a finger than you give another finger next it is the whole hand.. hopefully israel will continue to prosper and develop and keep up its kindness for everyone jews,non-jews, blacks, white, green, purple people,the disabled, & homosexuals, Yes im looking at you mr.Ahmadinejad, homosexuals have feelings too you shouldnt hang them...

 
At Tuesday, October 09, 2007, Blogger anna said...

tsk tsk tsk tsk, that CNN anchor lady has her hair weighting down to heavy on her brain, take it easy darling

 

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