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"Russia is big and so is China", and so now is Iran

"Russia's big and so is China", the US president made this remark while the microphone was on. The rest of the overheard conversation showed how pitifully foolish and out of touch Bush is. It also shows, sadly, that the US has no clout left.

Well, you are going to read it here first: the US is not intervening in the Israel-Lebanon war because it cannot. As simple as that. Iran has skillfully played its hand and the Arabs, the Americans and the Israelis are not happy that Iran is now the 'other power' in the Middle East.
  1. The US has alienated almost every party in the Middle East except Israel. No US-aligned Arab government is willing to work with the US.

  2. US does not talk to Iran, Hizbullah or Syria.

  3. As US squeezed Iran, Iran turned up its anti-Israel rhetoric, clearly throwing the gauntlet.

  4. Iran skillfully bogged down the US in Iraq and US is dependent on Iran now even to extricate itself from Iraq.

  5. Iran signed a defense pact with Syria and Israel went out of its way to say that its aggression will not be directed against Syria - yet.

  6. Iran trained and armed Hizbullah for last 5 years.

  7. Despite Saudi and other Gulf Arab rhetoric, Hizbullah's goal was to win a few quick points which it has done. It is extremely popular in the Arab street, Sunni and Shi'a - especially after crippling Israel's warship and targeting Haifa.
US is insisting that Israel dismantle Hizbullah, disregarding the fact that it is supported by a population of 1.4 million Shi'ites and is a very strong organization in non-military means.

What we are seeing unfold is the utter failure of US foreign policy in the Middle East and the emergence of Iran as an untouchable regional power. The Arabs may grumble, but they will learn to live with Iran until they can get their act together. With Pakistan and Turkey as the peri-Arab pro-US powers, Iran needs to play a few more cards the right way to gain the trust of the dictatorial Arab regimes.

The failure of US policy in the Middle East is the direct cause of its blind support for Israel's delaying tactics. Israel's current ferocity is a sign of a waning reliance on bombs. Bombs don't do much with Islamist militias now - they've learned to live with them - in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and Lebanon. Mano-a-mano casualties and captures Israel or US cannot take. Sanctions are laughed away. Nukes are still an option.

In other words, the US and the attendant Zionist media have dumbed themselves and come to believe their own rhetoric. Ahmedinejad has called the bluff and US and Israel have to sit down with him to negotiate. If not, Israel's inbound immigration and tourist trade suffers. US will continue to give cash to keep Israel afloat, but US media has spun up the pro-Zionist rhetoric to such feverish pitch that the spin may boomerang at any moment.

War is the ultimate settler of scores and roll of the dice. No one knows the outcome but one thing is certain: a defanged and helpless US is rolling along with the punches, with no plan, no strategy and no clout in the Middle East. Will the other side be brave enough to rub its face in the dust, or will the US finally come to its senses? That is the only question.

Lesson: War is a means to a political end and not an end to surplus arms and arrogance

45 Comments:

At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous Die for the Elite said...

Nice analysis. Here's an interesting perspective from Russia, where the case is made that Israel is using a form of moral blackmail to keep the US and Russia impotent to stop it.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

Hey! I LIKE your title! Very nice!

I agree completely that US influence in the Mideast is waning at the speed of light. But, I believe it's for different reasons all attributable to their belligerent support for ISRAEL, ISRAEL, above all else. Also, I'm not sure that Iran's growing influence is anything other than popular. Iran holds little sway with thoroughly corrupt governments of Arab countries.

I get the sense that "the impression" that a struggle for power in the region would continue irrespective of US and Israeli behavior is somewhat strained. It seems to me that if the US and Israel would end their infernal meddling in everyone's affairs that Iran would no longer need to "exert any influence."

In short, the US and Israel are royally screwing the Mideast, and have been for ages. We should GTFO, already. Nobody wants us.

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Di, I haven't read the link yet, but I am not sure that that theory is possible. It would require that they have morals to begin with and it's abundantly clear that they have none.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Blogger Akber said...

When asked about the comments of the Russian president about Israel to stop, the Israeli government representative said, on TV, "I wish we could use some of the 'restraint' methods Russia used in Chechnya."

The whole philosophy of nation states is crumbling and the 'chutzpah' of Israel in using such twisted moral logic is unequalled

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...

Akber:

We know you unthinkingly hate Israel first, but surely you must acknowledge that the brutality of the Russian government towards Chechnya far surpasses anything that Israel has ever done. Same for China's treatment of Tibet, by the way.

And your support for Hezbollah, while disgusting and vomit-worthy is also indicative of your total ignorance of the region.

In fact, the Lebanese themselves have wanted Hezbollah out for quite some time. Hezbollah is a toy of Syria, and the Lebanese spent 30 years in civil war with the Shia backed by Syria. The majority of the Lebanese - Maronite Christian, Sunni, and Druze, are NOT happy with Hezbollah and are held hostage by Hezbollah. This is irrespective of Israel's existence. Furthermore, UN Resolution 1559 was passed - calling for the disarmament of Hezbollah and calling for all remaining forces to leave. Lebanon is now in violation of this resolution - a resolution that they could have gone to the world community for enforcement of, but didn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#UN_resolution_1559

Your support for a terror organization whose very reason d'etre is anti-Lebanese is digusting beyond belief.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Blogger Akber said...

disaffected youth, I analyzed it - not supported any one:

1. Yes, the atrocities of the Russians are worse than some of Israel's, but the Russians want Chechnya to be in peace eventually as part of Russia - the goal is not ethnic cleansing. Israel's goal is ethnic cleansing - stated as 'go to Jordan or go to Egypt' - free up the land.

2. Hizbollah is a grass-roots organization as is Hamas - providing social structure and identity for millions. You cannot ignore that and take the military only. If Hizbollah were to go away, another would take its place - Hizbollah is a continuation of Amal - if you read yours history books. The bottom line is that people need self-expression and dignity - so if Israel bludgeons the Lebanese government into subservience, it will not achieve anything.

The only thing I support is the right of people to dignity and self-determination - which is provided at this time by Hamas and Hezbollah, and not Mamood Abbas and Sinoria. Don't question other people's intentions - it only shows that you are biased - 'Israel at any cost'

I have always admired your intelligence and empathy for other's viewpoints. Once you get past your 'disaffected youth' I am sure you will one day be able to reason logically wihout your biases or sniffing biases in others' analysis.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...

akber:

Israel does not desire ethnic cleansing. That is a flat out lie. They desire peace, that is all. And for that matter, there is a great deal of evidence that Russia actually does desire ethnic cleansing in Chechnya.

Hezbollah is an illegitimate institution and should not be there providing social services - that should be the Lebanese government, and from all I have seen, they are quite capable of providing social services.

Hezbollah's main purpose is to destablize Lebanon and attack Israel. This terror organization is hardly worthy of "self defense."

The Lebanese government has done nothing to disarm Hezbollah - an organization that is contra their interests. People have a right to self determination, and Hezbollah is in fact attempting to prevent the Lebanese from self determination.

In time, I think Israel may be viewed as Lebanon's savior. They are doing the dirty work that the Lebanese government has been unwilling or unable to do.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...

I want to add that I truly do feel bad for the Lebanese. Of all the nations in the Middle East, except for Israel, I always have had a warm spot in my heart for Lebanon. I was actually hoping to visit Lebanon and Israel this summer, but was talked out of it. I am glad that I was talked out of it now!

I am not happy that violence is necessary, but I see no other options.

Israel has a right to exist, and this is a battle for their right to exist. War is hell, but sometimes necessary.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous A. Magnus said...

If the state of Israel refuses to follow G-d's commandments, then it has no right to exist. G-d granted the land of Canaan to the Israelites on the condition that they follow his laws. He warned that failure to do so would be tantamount to a revocation of title on that real estate.

Just because a bunch of apostate Bolsheviks in yarmulkes and Nazi camp collaborators (http://www.barrychamish.com) seized the land from the natives 2,000 years after G-d stopped supporting Israel doesn't mean he's back in their corner. Orthodox Jews know this distinction; only secular Jews and their western socialist cohorts keep conflating empire building with divine title to the land.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Blogger Akber said...

By weakening Lebanon, Israel will never achieve the objective. The reason Lebanon does not control Hezbollah is not because it does not want to, because it can't. If US gave Lebanon $2 billion of arms a year (as it does to Israel), Hizbollah would be gone. Then what? As a democracy, the will of the people of Lebanon will use the $2 billion against Israel.

Try to understand what I am saying: blaming Lebanon or Palestine or Syria is not going to do any good. As long as 99% of Arabs/Muslims are anti-Israel, nothing is going to work for Israel - not even democracy (as Hamas has shown). Even despots and tyrants and kings are helpless before public opinion:

So, the only 2 options are:
1. Nuke all Muslims/Arabs in the world.
2. Change Muslim/Arab public opinion by withdrawing to accepted international boundaries and accepting independence for Palestine.

Rest is just rhetoric and BS. I just came back from a 2-week tour of some Arab countries. The general Arab/Muslim population are willing to recognize Israel now - at 1967 boundaries. The question is: will the hard-core Zionists in Israel allow that? Answer that.

The only solution is to have a viable continguous Palestinian state and peace with Arab nations (as Jordan and Egypt) by withdrawing to 1967 boundaries and removing settlements. Saudis, Hamas, UN, US, Russia - all agree on this!

The rabid Zionists thumping the Old Testament do not.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Blogger Akber said...

Hizbollah is a social/military/political/welfare organization representing 1.4 million Lebanes citizens (one-third of the country).

It is insanity to suggest they are anti-Lebanon. Fantasy results in war. Zionists and pro-Zionists should not play with language and smell the coffee.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...

Akber:

I believe, and most Israelis believe, in a Palestinian state only under the following conditions:

1) Recognition of the State of Israel; 2) Laying down of arms; 3) Pledge to end terror; 4) Make a real showing of sincerity as to #1-3.

If that is ever possible, then the Palestinians will get their own state. Period. They will get it. You are delusional if you think anything other than Palestinians are preventing the Palestinians from statehood.

As far as Lebanon. You are flat out wrong. The Lebanese government is weak, but not anti-Israel. The Lebanese people are also some of the least antisemitic around. This contrasts with the vile hate organization Hezbollah - an organization whose TV station is worse than Rwanda's Hate TV, by the way - airing a miniseries on the Protocols of Zion, and clerics going on TV speaking of Jews as cockroaches.

Hezbollah is contra Lebanese interests. It is backed by Syria and Iran, and Lebanon spent decades fighting to get rid of Syrian influence. Are there Shia in Lebanon who support Hezbollah? Yes. But ultimately, even their best interests lie with a Beiruiti government - not a Hezbollah government.

The most that I am hoping for at the moment is a temporary detante. That is the most that Israel can hope for. The hatred of Jews is so widespread and far reaching that I doubt there will be peace in my lifetime, no matter what Israel does.

Let me add that Hamas in its charter calls for the total destruction of the State of Israel, and the Palestinian terror organizations refuse to acknowledge Israel's existence, and want the ENTIRETY of the State of Israel.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Blogger Akber said...

One thing you will learn eventually is that peace is negotiated. Prior to peace, there are extreme positions.

The extreme positions of US, Israel, Hamas, Hizbollah and Iran are all posturing - the eventual resolution will be somewhwere between these extreme positions.

Before Egypt-Israel peace, both had extreme positions - not any more. Even Hamas' Haniya was close to recognizing Israel.

The only extremists in the picture are the rabid true-believer Torah-thumping Zionists. Until Israel can control them, there will be no peace. I have met them and even talked to them - they are more extreme than even the Bin Ladens of this world.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

Akber, please meet me at yahoo messenger - ASAP.

thanks.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...

Akber:

The "torah thumpers" as you would like to call them are not in power. Actually, they are a minority within Israel - a nation that is secular and mostly not that religious. In contrast, Hamas is in power - and they are an extremist Islamic organization.

Please WAKE UP FROM YOUR SLUMBER.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Blogger Akber said...

Any analysis of Israeli politics will show you that they can make or break the government, as well as their kin in USA and Europe.

They populate the settlements - the thorn.

They oppose withdrawal from Golan.

The oppose withdrawal from Sheba Farms.

Proof: Sharon had to use ALL his political capital to withdraw from Gaza, when they had chained themselves and threatened civil war. If Sharon barely could, how can Olmert?

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...

Akber:

The POINT is that Israel left Gaza, irrespective of the religious right. The POINT is that Olmert's plan had popular backing prior to the increased number of rockets being launched at Israel, and the capture of Israeli soldiers.

The POINT is that Olmert's plan WAS going to go forward, despite the religious right, who are NOT IN POWER IN ISRAEL.

Now, however, the realignment/convergence plan is finished. I originally supported the plan, and now I do not. I think it would be suicidal to leave the West Bank under the current conditions. And all polls I have seen show Israelis feel similarly.

The only roadblock to peace are Palestinians.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...

Let me add that Israel left the Golan Heights, irrespective of the religious right, and left the Sinai, irrespective of the religious right.

You are wrong, wrong, wrong to think the religious right within Israel is a roadblock to peace.

History proves you wrong.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Blogger thepoetryman said...

And, of course, with a bumbling mouthful, cowboy-wannabe, ignorant, damned, power hungry, sloven sack of incompetence leading the US down the primrose path of destruction...

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

"And, of course, with a bumbling mouthful, cowboy-wannabe, ignorant, damned, power hungry, sloven sack of incompetence leading the US down the primrose path of destruction..."

very well said.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous disaffected liberal said...

Oh, and Nasrallah is such a great man! RA RA RA HEZBOLLAH!

Riiiiiiight...

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous wikipedia.org -------- laughable zionist joke!!! said...

Miss R quotes "wikipedia.org"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#UN_resolution_1559








>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DON'T, I repeat Don't EVER QUOTE from wikipedia.org when it pertains to pollitical, or historical matters, since we all KNOW IT IS A TOOL OF ZIONISTS. wikipedia.org is fine when it comes to IT, not bad when it deals with Internet related matters, but weak when it deals with Science and Engineering --------------- but it's an obvious ZIONIST FRONT when it deals with politics and history, a laughable JOKE!!!


WE ARE NOT STUPID LITTLE CHILDREN THAT YOU ZIONISTS CAN LIE AND DECEIVE. Get that through your thick heads!!!

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous A. Magnus said...

Disaffected youth, please stop posting lies and utter BS. This refutes your crap about the Golan Heights:

"On December 14, 1981, the Knesset voted to annex the Golan Heights. The statute extended Israeli civilian law and administration to the residents of the Golan, replacing the military authority that had ruled the area since 1967"

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/golan_hts.html

Please note the source. Have any more snake oil to sell?

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...

a.magnus:

Again you are ignorant of history. The Golan Heights were given back in 2000, on condition of Hezbollah's disarmament as per UN Resolution 1559, which never happened.

wikipedia idiot:

The UN resolution 1559 is well documented. Go look it up yourself.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous A. Magnus said...

Disaffected Youth, provide some evidence for your bullsh*t or shut your lying pie hole. Where is the documentation for an Israeli withdrawal from the Golan? As of 2004 (4 years after you lied about it being given back) Ariel Sharon still claimed it was under Israeli control:

"JERUSALEM - Addressing two of Israel's thorniest issues, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon told lawmakers Monday that peace with Syria would require a full withdrawal from the Golan Heights and ordered a review of the contentious West Bank separation barrier."

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/93-01202004-230338.html

Your credibility is ZERO at this point. I've read other posters intimating that you're a shill. I have to say I agree with that assessment. Go try to mislead weaker minds with your unsubstantiated garbage elsewhere. Nobody's falling for your BS here.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous NEWS UPDATE said...

NEWS UPDATE: The entire world as a whole is moving towards peace. Why is Israel and it's puppet the USA admin dragging the world towrds WWIII???









China, Russia, India Hold 1st Trilateral Summit

Chinese President Hu Jintao, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh yesterday held a trilateral summit meeting, the first of its kind among the three countries.



The summit was held after the conclusion of the outreach session of the G8 summit in St. Petersburg. The three leaders exchanged views on cooperation among the three countries, according to Chinese officials.



At the summit, Hu said the three countries with established bilateral strategic partnerships among them, have vital influence on international and regional affairs.



There is a great potential for the three countries to cooperate in a number of fields such as economy, energy, science and technology, Hu said.



"We should make full use of these advantages to deepen the strategic cooperation among us," Hu was quoted as saying by Chinese officials.



Hu highlighted important features of their relationship and put forward proposals for boosting trilateral cooperation, including:

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to make full use of the mechanism of trilateral foreign ministers' meeting and push forward practical cooperation;
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to enhance communication and coordination on major international and regional issues, uphold multilateralism and push forward the approach of resolving disputes through negotiation and dialogue;
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the trilateral cooperation is aimed at enhancing friendship, seeking common development and safeguarding world and regional peace.

Putin said that Russia, China and India share similar views on and interests in major international and regional issues. Further, the three nations support the multilateral framework and they have good bilateral relations.



Enhancing trilateral cooperation would not only facilitate the settlement of some international and regional issues, but also help to promote domestic economic development in the three countries, Putin added.



Singh said the three nations should make concerted efforts to enhance their trilateral cooperation, for the benefit of their peoples as well as to contribute to peace and development in the region and the world.



The three leaders also exchanged views on the situation in the Asia-Pacific region, their cooperation on fighting terrorism and cracking down on cross-border crimes.



During another meeting between Hu and Putin, the two leaders exchanged views on deepening bilateral ties as well as major international and regional issues.



Hu congratulated Putin on successfully hosting the outreach session of the G8 summit, saying that the meeting is of crucial significance to the facilitation of relations between developed and developing countries, promotion of multilateralism and in tackling common global challenges.



Putin said Hu had contributed a lot to the outreach session of the G8 summit, adding that Hu's participation is of great importance to the summit.



Hu and Putin called for more cooperation in energy between the two countries.



The two presidents also discussed the Korean Peninsula nuclear issue, calling for an early resumption of six-party talks.



According to Chinese officials, after the outreach session, Hu on Monday afternoon also met with French President Jacques Chirac, and newly elected Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi.



(Xinhua News Agency July 18, 2006)

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...

Sorry, to be accurate, Israel still has some of the Golan Heights, but in 2000, left most of what they once occupied.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/meast/05/24/israel.lebanon.02/index.html

They left on condition of Hezbollah's disarmament - which never happened.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Blogger Akber said...

When they disarm, Olmert will go visit the Aqsa Mosque (alQuds), like Sharon did to spark this intifada.

Excuses . . . excuses . . . and very lame ones.

Peace is not achieved by asking your enemy to disarm first - while building up your military arsenal. Which world do you live in?

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...

akber:

The Palestinian government need not disarm. Rather, the terrorists need to disarm, and the Palestinian government has to pledge they will do their part to enforce disarmament - and care about disarmament, and believe Israel has a right to exist.

This has yet to happen, and until it happens, it would be suicidal for Israel to give the Palestinians their own state.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Blogger Akber said...

All of our discussions end on the same note - word definitions - with the election of Hamas, the argument of 'terrorists' vs government is settled forever. Hamas the terrorists is the same as Hamas representing the Palestinian people's wishes.

Either nuke them all, or respect their wishes.

Same thing in Lebanon - no people support Israel. If you weaken the government (Mahmood Abbas or Sinoria), the 'terrorists' automatically reflect public opinion.

Read your books: no organization can survive, much less thrive, without the support of the people.

So, nuke them all - or respect their wishes and change their opinion by good deeds - not bombs and starvation. That is the only solution. We always come to this conclusion, and then you start all over again.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...

akber:

You are dead wrong about Lebanon. DEAD WRONG. In fact, many Lebanese do support Israel, and the majority of Lebanese do NOT support Hezbollah - an organization directly working against Lebanese interests.

Also, since when should public support in the Middle East reflect whether Israel exists or not? If anything, that's proof of the need for Israel. Israel is needed because the Jews need and deserve their own homeland. I can think of six million reasons why this is. This, in addition to long historical ties to the land, and of course the legitimate land purchases.

If your reason for disavowing a Jewish state is "Well, people hate Israel," then you reward terror and hatred. It's as simple as that.

As far as Hamas goes - in their charter, they quote from the Protocols of Zion, and call for the destruction of Israel. THIS IS IN THEIR CHARTER.

Until they disavow their charter, there is no negotiating.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...

Btw I actually have to say this, akber.

I 100% disagree with you in every way, but you actually have a semblance of rationality. I do not feel my blood pressure rise when discussing things with you.

THANK YOU for that. I really mean it. It is very refreshing. THANK YOU.

And I do apologize for insulting you earlier. I have had high blood pressure, reading this blog and calls for death to all Jews, with qrswave, a former friend of mine, doing nothing to stop any of these comments. (and in fact inciting them)

If you want to know why I so fiercly support Israel - it is because of qrswave. It is directly attributable to qrswave. I really did not think about the issue a great deal prior to this blog.

Thank you for cooling my blood pressure with at least the semblance of attempted rationality - even if I completely disagree with you.

You have that effect on people - you can say things that I can 100% disagree with, but not say it in a way that comes across as hate mongering. I have to give you props for that.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The UN resolution 3379 is well documented, too, from a time when the UN was relevant:

THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY,

RECALLING its resolution 1904 (XVIII) of 20 November 1963, proclaiming the United Nations Declaration on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, and in particular its affirmation that "any doctrine of racial differentiation or superiority is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous" and its expression of alarm at "the manifestations of racial discrimination still in evidence in some areas in the world, some of which are imposed by certain Governments by means of legislative, administrative or other measures",

RECALLING ALSO that, in its resolution 3151 G (XXVIII) of 14 December 1953, the General Assembly condemned, inter alia, the unholy alliance between South African racism and Zionism,

TAKING NOTE of the Declaration of Mexico on the Equality of Women and Their Contribution to Development and Peace 1975, proclaimed by the World Conference of the International Women's Year, held at Mexico City from 19 June to 2 July 1975, which promulgated the principle that "international co-operation and peace require the achievement of national liberation and independence, the elimination of colonialism and neo-colonialism, foreign occupation, Zionism, apartheid and racial discrimination in all its forms, as well as the recognition of the dignity of peoples and their right to self-determination",

TAKING NOTE ALSO of resolution 77 (XII) adopted by the Assembly of Heads of State and Government of the Organization of African Unity at its twelfth ordinary session, held at Kampala from 28 July to 1 August1975, which considered "that the racist regime in occupied Palestine and the racist regime in Zimbabwe and South Africa have a common imperialist origin, forming a whole and having the same racist structure and being organically linked in their policy aimed at repression of the dignity and integrity of the human being",

TAKING NOTE ALSO of the Political Declaration and Strategy to Strengthen International Peace and Security and to Intensify Solidarity and Mutual Assistance among Non-Aligned Countries, adopted at the Conference of Ministers for Foreign Affairs of Non-Aligned Countries held at Lima from 25 to 30 August 1975, which most severely condemned Zionism as a threat to world peace and security and called upon all countries to oppose this racist and imperialist ideology,

DETERMINES that Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous A. Magnus said...

'Disinterested Youth,' I love how you tried to use a news article from the year 2000 as proof of a condition that didn't exist in 2004, much less today. You never produced any verification that Israel withdrew from the Golan Heights; I'm sorry but taking your word for it isn't enough.

Surely you can find a single article about that. The one you posted was about Israel's withdrawal from LEBANON in 2000 - wrong country altogether. Let's try not to mix apples with oranges, shall we?

As far as saying your 'former friend' QRSWave is responsible for your unwavering support of Israel, I think you need to get a real reason. I don't get off on bigotry of any stripe, but that doesn't mean I will automatically support whom the bigots hate. I would first take issue with the bigots themselves.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Blogger Akber said...

qrswave is one of the most fair people around, and most intellectual. Some bigoted people do leave comments - it reflects a cross-section of society and no big deal.

You said:You are dead wrong about Lebanon. DEAD WRONG. In fact, many Lebanese do support Israel, and the majority of Lebanese do NOT support Hezbollah - an organization directly working against Lebanese interests.

You twisted a little here. Yes, a few Lebanese support Israel. NONE do until Sheba Farms are returned. Not all Lebanese support Hizbullah as it is a Shia organization (with 1/3) - the others (Christians and Sunnis) share Hizbullah's objectives and stances but do not subscribe to it as it is sectarian. Despite trying, CNN could not obtain a SINGLE Lebanese talking against Hizbullah in the current escalation.

So, the way you phrased it sounded different from what the reality is - and that is my biggest beef with Zionists and pro-Zionists - twisting of words.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Blogger nesNYC said...

Israel does not desire ethnic cleansing. That is a flat out lie.

Yes they DO! Israel wants to rid the world of their Arab neighbors and complete their "Greater Israel" plans. Lebanon was obviously getting too organized and wealthy and in the end would have posed problems for the Zionists with tourism and other industries. This is the main reason you see the Zionists bombing Beirut back to the Stone Age so the Hizbullah can eventually take over the entire area and then be easier to Nuke and cleanse when the final war happens.

This is all a big set up and strategy designed in the "Clean Break" policy. What the Zionist war lords are doing is creating a Hitler like regime spear headed by Iran to one day try and tumble the whole thing down, exactly as was done to Hitler and Germany.

I don't expect Hizbullah to be hit by the Israelis and in fact, the Lebanese army is suffering much greater losses.

What we see unfolding is a homogeneous Shi'a Muslim super state that will be pinned against the Zionist Regime in the coming world war. The nukes WILL fly in both directions. The current operations in Lebanon and later Syria and the US's defanging of the Sunnis in Iraq have made it possible to create Shi'a boogeyman that the Zionists can sink their teeth into, create the next world war and perish in the process.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...

a.magnus:

See my article I linked. Israel left Southern Lebanon of which the Golan Heights is a part of - in 2000.

They maintained some of the Golan Heights for strategic military reasons. I clarified myself already.

Akber:

"NO BIG DEAL." These people call for the death of all Jews and quote the Protocols of Zion. "NO BIG DEAL." Riiiight. Perhaps as a Muslim who doesn't have a grandparent who went through the Holocaust, you see it as no big deal. Perhaps as someone who doesn't have almost all the relatives on your dad's side of the family killed due to the Holocaust, such comments are "no big deal." I view it as a VERY big deal. There are six million reasons why it is a big deal.

The CNN reporter did not interview a SINGLE Christian in their interview. Every single person they interviewed was a Shia Muslim. That shows you the bias of CNN.

Furthermore, the POINT is that Hezbollah is an anti-Lebanese organization, that, irrespective of Israel, is bad for Lebanon. Last year, 1.5 million Lebanese marched against Hezbollah.

Do some Lebanese support Hezbollah? Yes. But they support Hezbollah to the detriment of their nation. Hezbollah is a religious fundamentalist organization, funded through Iran and Syria, that prevents Lebanon from having any real independence.

Hezbollah is the root of the problems in Lebanon. Hezbollah, as per UN resolution 1559, was supposed to be disarmed six years ago.

It has yet to be disarmed. This is also a big deal.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...

Let me add that I quickly put anyone in their place on MY blog should they wish for the death to all Muslims. (which one person did)

I don't see qrswave ONCE put anyone in their place for quoting the Protocols of Zion - a lie that Mein Kampf was based upon. I don't see her putting people in their place when they say all sorts of digusting and vile garbage. The only time she will comment is when someone says "let's kill every Jew on earth." But when people say "Let's nuke Israel" or say the most disgusting and evil lies about Jews, she says nothing.

But that's okay, because it's just a "difference of opinion," right?

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Blogger nesNYC said...

Protocols of Zion - a lie that Mein Kampf was based upon.

The protocols predates Mein Kampf by a few decades does it not? This is all part of historical records and should be discussed and not suppressed like the Zionists have done all through the world. People would wake up if they knew what the real "plan" had in store for them.

You can't even see the truth when it's right in front of you so there is no way you'll ever be able to understand the protocols and fear their content. The only people that try to hide and conceal subject such as the protocols are the ones that benefit from their content staying suppressed from the masses. This is something Communist China is proud of.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Blogger Akber said...

Muslims did not kill Jews - Christians did.

I just came from Morocco. Jews lived there peacefully for centuries. When Hitler persecuted and Russia drove away, they came to Morocco. Morocco still has a sizable community and they have a separate Talmudic family law. Olmert is a Moroccan Jew. Same way with Iran and Iraq.

The danger is that when Christians go after the Jews the next time - which is inevitable, even the Muslims will not protect them, unable to distinguish between the Jews and Israel.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...

nesnyc:

Yes, Mein Kempf was based on the Protocols.

Akber:

You are dead wrong in your history. In fact, Muslims and Jews NEVER EVER lived together in peace. I wrote a post about this on my blog, explaining how Muslims and Jews never lived in peace, prior to Israel ever forming as a state.

http://cultureforall.blogspot.com/2006/07/is-peace-possible.html

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Blogger Akber said...

When the Visigoths started killing Jews in Spain and during Nazi Germany, the safest places for Jews were Morocco, Turkey and Iran.

No further discussion. This is totally biased. I can quote all these references from the Jewish Encyclopedia, but what is the use.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...

akber:

On a relative scale, the Muslim world was "safe" during the Middle Ages. However, it was not "peaceful."

This is a relative scale. We are comparing the "Golden Age of Islam" to Europe during the Middle Ages.

There never was PEACE. There never was EQUALITY.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...

Here is a history of Jews in Muslium lands. As you will see, they suffered from crippling dhimmi laws.

There never was actual PEACE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Muslim_Lands

And I refuse to be a dhimmi.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me add that I quickly put anyone in their place on MY blog should they wish for the death to all Muslims.

You have a blog? Then why don't you go back there and mind the animals.

 
At Thursday, July 20, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Let me add that I quickly put anyone in their place on MY blog should they wish for the death to all Muslims.

You have a blog? Then why don't you go back there and mind the animals.

Tue Jul 18, 06:09:26 PM EDT




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