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What's Wrong With This Picture? 7-16-06, NO-IMAGES-OF-DEAD-ISRAELIS.

First, let me be perfectly clear. I am NOT drawing conclusions about what ACTUALLY happened in Haifa yesterday. I was not there and have NO WAY of knowing, aside from what was presented to the world via images by Israeli sources in the mainstream media.

My conclusions pertain only to what can reasonably be gleaned from a pool of over 350 images from yahoo news - yesterday alone. It does NOT apply to images of events occuring afterwards, nor to images that were not available to me from yahoo news.

Consequently, my conclusions may be refuted with credible documented evidence of actual Israeli deaths occuring on July 16, 2006 as a direct result of Hizbullah fire, in the city of Haifa - if it exists.

I do not dispute that rockets were fired - I only question whether, based on the images presented, they caused the deaths attributed to them by Israelis.

Let me further make clear, that I am neither happy nor eager to see dead Israeli civilians. Every human life is equally sacred - not to be weighed and measured based on demographics, as if human life were a commodity.

My goal is to examine the evidence presented as the basis and justification for the continuing massive, deadly, and merciless assaults on the people and nation of Lebanon today.
Israel warned of massive retaliation after the Haifa attack, and accused Iran and Syria of providing the weaponry used in it.
If we are to stand by as our leaders allow Israelis to destroy with impunity an entire nation, the world must at least demand credible evidence from Israelis that the justification actually occurred.

If no one in the mainstream media will ask critical questions or offer objective observations, then as a citizen and as a human being I am duty-bound to raise these crucial questions.

Before you continue, if you haven't already, please examine the images for yourself and draw your own conclusions (many images are no longer available at yahoo).


Without going into too much detail about the laws of evidence, before a photo or image can be admitted into the record it must be authenticated by someone with personal knowledge that the photo fairly and accurately represents the people or objects portrayed. Often, there is no other way to verify the truth of its contents.

The witness need not be the photographer - merely someone who can testify to the accuracy of the events and objects its proponents assert it portrays.

The analysis does not end there. The witness's credibility, including a history of lying, evidence of bias, or some other motive to lie must also be considered.

If a witness is either biased or otherwise incredible, it stands to reason that, at most, the image should be taken only at face value (for what it actually shows), NOT as evidence of the narrative attributed to it by the party submitting it.

Examining the Evidence

All night I clicked through these images and try, as I may, I could not find a single credible image of one dead Israeli - NEITHER MILITARY NOR CIVILIAN.

The only images of 'dead people' depicted Israeli rescuers or policemen moving SEALED body bags - their contents to be taken on faith.

There were only two images of an injured Israeli, a man on a stretcher. Notably, his injuries were evidenced only by one isolated stream of blood on his forearm. No evidence of injuries from shrapnel were apparent on his chest and abdomen, as would be expected from random explosions (compare chest, abdomen and legs of Lebanese toddler injured by Israeli bombs).

The only other images of Israeli civilians depicted family members of those allegedly killed. One image showed an Israeli woman fainting, the cause - not apparent - is explained by narrative. Another image shows Israeli women embraced, with subdued expressions of sadness on their faces - again, explained by narrative.

Conspicuously absent in all the images of Israelis, both rescuers and victims, is a sense of imminent fear, extreme anxiety, shock or pain, or other human expressions that invariably accompany scenes of brutal and sudden death and destruction.

In stark contrast, in the images showing Lebanese and Palestinian civilians, their suffering and injuries are palpable and apparent - the terror in their eyes, unmistakable. No narrative is required - the images speak for themselves.

Likewise, the damage to Lebanese and Palestinian infrastructure is staggering - whole buildings are flattened. It is absolutely impossible for these breathtaking scenes of destruction to have been captured at some other remote point in time. In sum, the images are so unique and compelling as to virtually eliminate the need for independent authentication.


We already know that Israelis will lie to "protect themselves" from perceived enemies. Moreover, every image of Israelis online is photographed by an Israeli. This alone is enough to demand independent verification. But, Israelis have repeatedly denied foreigners access to areas of conflict in order to independently monitor events on the ground. Indeed, Israelis have a history of shooting at and killing foreign journalists.

After examining these images, I can only conclude that Israelis have NOT presented the world with credible evidence that the deaths upon which they base their continued murderous campaign against Lebanese civilians ever actually occurred.

Are Israelis lying about the deaths at Haifa, July 16, 2006 in order to justify intensifying their assault on Lebanon?

It is unclear.

But if they are, they must be exposed.


At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...

Again with conspiracy theories. Again with LIES.

In fact I saw dead bodies of Israelis. In fact you saw dead bodies of Israelis. You decide to LIE in order to advance your conspiracy theory.

Just disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

where are the images you saw.

Present them with a link and I'll publish them immediately and retract my analysis.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...


Report on who the victims are.


Website devoted to images of the Israeli suffering during war:


What appears to be a dead body that in fact was one of the images you linked to:


Unlike, say, the depravity of the Palestinians, Israelis do not take graphic images of dead bodies. Let's contrast that with the following:

This link is of a dead IDF soldier, and Palestinian children taking pictures of the dead body, which is torn apart by the Palestinians.


Let's see you have THAT featured on your site.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

if only jewish crimes were prosecuted perhaps some like these : The first aircraft hijacking was carried out by Israel in 1954 against a Syrian civilian airliner, Grenades in cafes: first used by Zionists against Palestinians in Jerusalem on 17 March 1937, Delayed-action, electrically timed mines in crowded marketplaces: first used by Zionists against Palestinians in Haifa on 6 July 1938, Blowing up a ship with its civilian passengers still on board: first carried out by Zionists in Haifa on 25 November 1940. The Zionists did not hesitate to blow up their own people in protest at the British policy of restricting Jewish immigration to Palestine. The ship, Patria, was carrying 1,700 Jewish immigrants, Assassination of government officials: first carried out by the Zionists against the British in Cairo, when on 6 November 1944 Lord Moyne was assassinated by the Stern Gang. Yitzhak Shamir, a member of the Irgun and later leader of the Stern Gang and Israeli prime minister, was behind the plan and assassination, Use of civilian hostages as a means of putting pressure on a government: first used by the Zionists against the British in Tel Aviv on 18 June 1946, Blowing up of government offices with their civilian employees and visitors: first carried out by the Zionists against the British in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946. The toll was 91 Britons killed and 46 wounded in the King David Hotel. Menachim Begin, who masterminded and carried out the attack and later became Israeli prime minister, admitted that the massacre was coordinated with and carried out under the instruction of the Haganah Zionist gang, Booby-trapped suitcases: first used by the Zionists against the British Embassy in Rome on 13 October 1946, Booby-trapped cars in civilian areas: first used by the Zionists against the British in Sarafand (east of Jaffa) on 5 December 1946, Beating of hostages: first used by the Zionists against the British in Tel Aviv, Netanya and Rishon on 29 December 1946, The massacre of Qibya, northwest of Jerusalem, was carried out by Unit 101, under the command of Ariel Sharon on Wednesday 14 October 1953. The attack was the bloodiest and most brutal Zionist crimes since the infamous Deir Yassin massacre. Forty-two houses as well as a school and a mosque were dynamited over their inhabitants. Seventy-five women, men and children were killed. just some of the early jewish terrorism, and people wonder why the arabs fight back.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

First, let me applaud your speed and dedication to the Israeli cause.

However, the only like you sent which appears to show an Israeli dead body, in fact, is not apparent from the picture, but must be taken on faith.

Moreover, the paramedics standing by the victim don't seem to be particularly shocked or disturbed. Indeed, one of them is yawning.

As for the picture that claims to represent the boot of a dead Israeli soldier - what's there to show? It's a boot. Moreover, military deaths are qualitatively different from civilian deaths.

I'm still waiting for credible images of Israeli fatalities from the Haifa attack, July 16, 2006.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I saw just nuke them. All of them. The permanent 5 should just agree and turn the place to glass tomorrow. Isreak, gaza, west bank, syria, iraq, iran, jordan... all of it. Just kill them all and god will sort them out. This shit has gone on long enough.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Israelis do not take graphic images of dead bodies.

Interesting. So basically Israel can make up whatever body count they want with no proof. Such a tradition would make it extremely hard to confirm such grandiose body counts as "6 million." Who needs more proof than the word of a Zionist? Need more, and you're a jew-hating anti-semite.

It's Never Again! all over again...

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Blogger The Sphinx said...

@Anonymous (4th comment):

People wonder why the arabs fight back because they do not know about this stuff. They only get pictures of poor scared Israeli people getting blown up in Cafes on a regular basis. Their media subtly gives them the impression that Islam is a violent, hateful and dangerous religion, so we are the first ones to get ripped on, because we count as barbarians. That's why.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Blogger nesNYC said...

I agree with you analysis. I recon the whole numbers game is in line whit the massive onslaught of Lebanese dead and to make it "look" like a fight is really ensuing.

I don't doubt Hezbollah is shooting back in some redistricted but I'm counting on them saving their ammo for the eventual Israeli ground assault. Unlike the pussies that are the IDF, the Hezbollah resistance knows who in fact they have to target once the real fighting gets underway.

Israel is currently doing what the US did in Iraq during the "Shock and awe" campaign. We all know how that's turning out. Israel is making the same mistakes and WILL suffer heavy military loses when the time is right. Hezbollah has no real reason to strike at the Israeli civilian infrastructure just yet. The real enemy is fast approaching and I'd bet that’s where the missiles and rockets will be fired at when Israel finally bites off more than they can chew.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...


Here is an image of a dead body that you posted earlier. NOTE: Israel does not revel in death and the cult of faux victimhood, unlike the Palestinians, who are professional faux victims.


Of courrse you will deny it, and claim it's a conspiracy theory. But that's right: "I don't hate Jews! I am just against the one Jewish nation in the world and don't believe it should exist, and refuse to read history books on the matter to make up an informed decision on my own, preferring to get my news from hate sources, but I don't hate Jews! I believe in every conspiracy theory out there and think Mossad kills its own people, but I don't hate Jews! I am friends (were friends) with you, so how can I hate Jews, despite calling for the ellimination of the one Jewish state in the world and posting hate and lies on my site! How dare you accuse me of hating Jews!"

Correct me if I am wrong in any of that, but that is how I see the situation.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Blogger The Sphinx said...

Anonymous @02:58:35 PM:

Of course it's that way!! I mean come on, 8 of them are equal 500 Americans (of all people), and one million arabs are not worth one of their fingernails. They are apparently the supreme, powerful, noble, over-the-law humans that are to be believed in all occasions and never to be held for trial, ever. And we stand under them and accept everything we do to us. That's the new world order. And we are happy about it, we inferior beings..

(Sarcasm over, it's sickening, isn't it..)

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Blogger The Sphinx said...

@disaffected youth:

We really DON'T hate Jews. My parents have Jewish friends, so do I. And Jews are human beings, just like us. But when the Government of the only Jewish state on the planet is behaving in such an atrocious way, then no wonder we have to hate it. Or are you seriously saying that because it's the only Jewish state in the world means that nobody has the right to put it's policy into question? Just like Ariel Sharon said before? That's putting them into the category of the perfect super-human, just for being the _only_ one of their type. And that's wrong.
Add to that that we are against ANY atrocious government, no matter what kind of state it's ruling, and no matter what religion (or non-religion) it adhers to. Do you think I like my own Egyptian government? Hell no, I hate it as well, for many many reasons.

There is a vast difference between hating a Jew, and hating the current Zionist policy. Take my word for it.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

disaffecte youth, aka, Miss R,

re: your accusations that I am anti-semitic - you are wrong.

re: the link to the dead Israeli in a SEALED body bag - I already explained that, under the circumstances, Peres having declared that 'deception in the name of self-defense is not immoral', I am obliged to require further evidence to substantiate Israeli assertions that the body bag indeed contains the body of an Israeli killed from Hizbuallah attack, July 16, 2006, in the city of Haifa.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...


Whatever. Nothing will satisfy you. You are a non-thinker who refuses to actually read BOOKS and yet considers yourself an expert enough on the Middle East to post hateful speculation that somehow Israel is killing its own people, or engaging in a "false flag" operation. Israel doesn't engage in the sort of masturbatory images of dead bodies that the Palestinians engage in. They don't get their jones off by taking gory images of dead bodies. They actually have some respect for the dead. Of course, you use that against them.

READ A BOOK. EDUCATE YOURSELF. A brain is a terrible thing to waste, and right now, you are wasting away your brain on hate.

I have to repeat this over and over and over again.

Read a book. Learn the history of the region. Read more than one book, while you are at it. Go to more sources than the disgusting "What Didn't Really Happen" site.

As an example. You will post disgusting and hate-filled "speculation" about 9/11 as a falsehood, and then not learn the science behind it. If you are going to post such tripe, then at least educate yourself on the science of it. Otherwise, you are engaging in non-thinking conspiracy theory speculation.

The same applies here. Read a book. READ A BOOK. READ A BOOK. READ A BOOK. READ A BOOK.

Let me be a bit more clear.


At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous Miss R, please reply ----- Are you white? ---- Are you a white Ashkenazi? said...

...........................Perhaps we should ALL re-read the book:.............................

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

If anyone wants a digital copy, I have one to distribute!


At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous disaffected youth said...

I am waiting for qrswave to say "How dare you say the Protocols of Zion" are fact." Or "how dare you post such tripe on this site."

But she won't. She will likely say nothing.

Oh right "I don't hate Jews. How dare you accuse me of antisemitism!"

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous No Vietnamese Ever Called Me A Nigger said...

No Vietnamese Ever Called Me A Nigger
Mohammed Ali is thought to have said the title of this post. Unfortunately as great as this soundbite is, it was likely never said publicly, on record*. However it is possible he may have said it privately. It was well known to the Boomers at the time but forgotten to Generation X and the Echo that Cassius Clay refused millitary service. He risked his career and everything he had in order to stand up for what he believed in. He knew the difference between two men who agree to hit each other with padded mittens and going to the other side of the world to kill strangers. What Ali probably said was this:

Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on Brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights? No I’m not going 10,000 miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave masters of the darker people the world over. This is the day when such evils must come to an end. I have been warned that to take such a stand would cost me millions of dollars. But I have said it once and I will say it again. The real enemy of my people is here. I will not disgrace my religion, my people or myself by becoming a tool to enslave those who are fighting for their own justice, freedom and equality. If I thought the war was going to bring freedom and equality to 22 million of my people they wouldn’t have to draft me, I’d join tomorrow. I have nothing to lose by standing up for my beliefs. So I’ll go to jail, so what? We’ve been in jail for 400 years.

Which he said in Redemption Song: Muhammad Ali and the Spirit of the Sixties (1999) by Mike Marqusee

In light of all the bloodshed going on in Lebanon this past weekend and all the mutual defense pacts we and other nations hold with each other, here is a link that may come in handy in the very near future.

As for me, I'm medically unfit for combat. Bad eyes, ankles and teeth. I'm severly anemic and to top it all off... the amphetamines or "go pills" they give to combat troops put me to sleep. So yeah, maybe I'm a pussy. I'd rather be home with my family then out pillaging people I know aren't doing me any harm.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous Fuck you Zionists murderers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! said...

Miss R,

As for The Protocols of the Elders of Zion


Each day they prove it.

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, was translated by someone who had "inside" access. Read it for yourself. You'll be amazed at how the War of Agression Against the People of Vietnam, War against the People of Korea, War against all the countries in Latin America, Africa, Exploitation of African Slaves, the Cold war, Iraq War I & II & III, Afghanistan, and Palestine --------------------------- These all had "Jewish" ASHKENAZIS as their orchestrator, as their leader, as their financier, as the "master mind" ............. Fuck you Henry Kissinger, FUCK YOU!!! And may you burn in the hell you created, you mass murderer of 8 MILLION VIETNAMES and MILLIONS OF CAMBODIANS, LAOS, KOREANS -------------------------- Fuck your cluster bomb. And Fuck your AGENT ORANGE ------------------------ Fuck you Henry Kissinger!

............. And Fuck You too Miss R, for supporting such MASS GENOCIDE against innocent people. You supported and continue to blindly support a Racist Regime that murdered my relatives and family ...............

Fuck you Miss R!!!

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous Fuck your racist white supremacy said...

And one more thing Miss R,

............................. Fuck your RACIST WHITE SUPREMACY .......................

That's white, fuck all those white Ashenazi. I know other "white" (i.e. Europeans) feelings aren't hurt, because although they are also "white", they a fed up after centuries and millenia of being fucked by you guys ---------- they feel the same way, as we do in Latin America, as we do in Africa, as we do in Asia, as we do in the Middle East.

We in Europe feel the same way!!!

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Blogger nesNYC said...

Let me be a bit more clear.


It's a fact that mostly all major publishing houses fell under Zionist control long ago. I'm with Miss R. Read the Protocols before you read anything else because everything else is disinformation from the Zionist oligarchs and is why the world is where it’s at today.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been following the current events happening over the last several days with some interest. While I am not a believer in most of the Zionist prophecy fulfilling/cult of control thing, the fact of the matter is that nations have faked media and supplied messages in the past to achieve policy goals and gain influence with other nations(sudetenland, anyone?).

At the moment my skepticism of israeli media is even lower than that of american mainstream. I've caught some media reports about the attack on the israeli warship using blatant lies about what was used to attack the ship. Having caught one lie, that just reinforced my skepticism at this point.

So at this point I find myself agreeing with the writer of this point. A sealed body bag does not equate to a dead victim of yet another round of the pointless violence that seem to make a go round every few years. Plz prove me wrong diss. youth and show me just one semi-recognizable picture of a dead israeli and I will congratulate you on being right.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Blogger nesNYC said...

Oh right "I don't hate Jews. How dare you accuse me of antisemitism!"

If you read through the Protocols, what is apparent is that Jews for the most part are not responsible for them. But the methodology to "world takeover" fits to a tee what has really occurred, Globalization. Jews are implicated in the plot, but I think the true authors were not Jews or not Jews anymore but Masonic or Satanists. Everyone should read the protocols and really understand how they parallel Orwell and how strikingly similar real history has progressed since their uncovering nearly 100 years ago.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous A. Magnus said...

Apparently the 'disgusting' What Really Happened site keeps posting the ugly fact that the captured Israeli soldiers in Lebanon were caught after crossing over the border into Lebanon. I guess you can read books all you want, so long as facts that upset your myopic world view don't interfere.

Here's my take: if Torah true Jews like the Neuturei Karta folks can label the secular socialist state of Israel 'apostate,' they certainly have grounds to say so. When someone of Jewish heritage like myself publicly says the policies of Israel's government are revolting, they're not being anti-semitic; they're telling the truth.

G-d's covenant with Israel was conditional upon their following all of his commandments; he gave the Israelites Canaan not because they were a good people, but because he used them to punish the evil Canaanites. Ask yourself how the ongoing occupation upholds ANY of those commandments.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Blogger Chancellor of the Corn Exchange said...

Ass-right boys! Ain't no conspiracies! Well, sometimes small timers but never if we're talking billions and trillions. Thieves draw the line. TV says so.

For the literate and upright bipedals, may I recommend the following links:

www.erichufschmid.net/BenjaminFreedmansSpeech16.mp3 - this is a very important speech that verifies what many people have been complaining about for decades

www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html - Wacky Israeli agents celebrating the WTC attack. Their boss bolts the country never to be seen or questioned. Go figure!

www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers.html - Nutjob BBC finds "hijackers" alive and well. Someone rush and tell Dick and Condi.

www.whatreallyhappened.com/cutter.html - What the hell is the WTC owner doing saying they "pulled" one of the buildings? doesn't that take weeks of planning?

www.whatreallyhappened.com/motherofallscandals.html - Relentless spying on US despite our gift of $15 million bucks a day.

www.iamthewitness.com/SmedleyButler1933.html - Marine Corps General Smedley Butler's classic War is a Racket. A good one for the kiddies to drop on their Social Studies teachers and classes.

I’ve never seen a President – I don’t care who he is – stand up to them [the Israelis]. It just boggles the mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what is going on all the time. I got to the point where I wasn’t writing anything down. If the American people understood what a grip those people have got on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens don’t have any idea what goes on - Admiral Thomas Moorer, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (from former Rep. Paul Findley's book, They Dare to Speak Out)

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey disaffected youth,

You used the code word "conspiracy theory." That's interesting because that's the usual term neocon and zionist apologists use to discredit any notion that contradicts their obtuse world view. What does that tell me? You're a zionist lackey. Non thinker.

What I see is that Israel is ALWAYS RIGHT and the rest of the world wrong when it involves any action zionists take in the Middle East. I won't give you a discourse on history because that is well documented.

But you know something, Israel has big problems because the world (excluding the US and UK) despises the "shitty little country" and knows that the Middle East is messed up because of it. Israeli leadership has no credibility in the world. Speaking of lies!

To compound Israel's problems, so many Americans are waking up to the zionist yoke on the US and are ready to react. Keep it up and you'll see zionists tarred and feathered on the streets. That will be a sight to see. You may be one of them.

Armed and ready

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Blogger The Sphinx said...

As I believe that everybody deserves a good Government, I'm eagerly waiting for the day where the Zionist regime is toppled and another Government appointed that fairly restores peace to the area, granting the Israeli people a chance to live on peacefully with their Palestinian neighbors. I know it might not happen any time soon, but seeing the Zionists tarred and feathered on the streets is just what I need right now.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here you go dizzyfected youth, read this:


At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who gives a bloody damn about any Israeli fatalities, real or imagined, now that half of Lebanon has been decimated by these jackals, and internationally forbidden chemical weapons of mass destruction are being used at random on Lebanese women and children who have no connection whatsoever to Hezbollah. These animals should be allowed to completely finish walling themselves in from real suffering humanity and then be allowed to completely suffocate on their very own poison gas. Maybe then the Hollow Cost will finally be real, after all.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Blogger Chancellor of the Corn Exchange said...

I forgot to mention how cognitively dissed I am after watching David Cole's interveiw with the head of the Auschwitz museum. Cole, a Jew, had Mr. Piper squirming and Mr. Piper finally explained that the gas chambers were only run 20-30 minutes a day while the de-lousing chambers were run 24/7 so that the doomed would not sufer unduly from bedbugs.

Take a look and ask your friends what it all means:


At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

as an orthodox Jew I am disgusted by israel's actions. First off, we were never gassed or put in death camps in WW2. That is a myth perputated by some people of my faith at the time, to take land. Remember when the Christians used to kill us in europe, we would hide in the Islamic countries. Why would the germans kill us anyways when we could be worked, dont ever for a moment believe we were killed in gas chambers ect. We stole that land and should return it, and apologize. I am very sorry people from my religion tries to control countries and create myths........please forgive us, not all us Jews like israel, some of us see it as the criminal organization it is.....peace

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Blogger The Sphinx said...

@Anonymous (Orthodox Jew):

Nobody is saying that all Jews are like that. We are very aware that this is only a small group of people who are doing this crap and that there are loads of Jews that are ashamed of that, just as there are many many muslims who oppose the acts of violence committed by the minority.
Jews are human beings, and human beings are my friends, except when they misbehave. Though it wasn't really necessary, I appreciate your apology very much =)

Peace my friend

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous Jude A.O. Christian said...

To "Orthodox" And may peace be unto you, also, for this day you have found redemption. And being forgiven, you can still be "Orthodox" and Christian as well, if you ever truly want to. But, and I'm sorry, first that filthy book of talmud has to go.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm with ya anonymous and sphinx. Folks should take a look at the SHIT list at


Many, many Jews listed for the crime of not keeping quiet. Plenty of raw hate on display.

Interesting that David Cole isn't even listed.

In Findley's book They Dare to Speak Out he details how Jews are prevented from voicing their opinions by the Israel lobby.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Blogger lesliemai said...

it saddens me too see this jewish agression, its similiar to christian agression, in that it kills muslims. i love lebanon, so very much, seeing the bombs destroying beruit and other cities makes me sad. i wonder how killing babies and elderly will make the jewish occupiers feel safer, unless the blood of the innocent is what there " god " ordered them to do, the bush said his " god " told him to attack irak. i can be controlled in my anger knowing on judgement day the poor and bombed out and all the elderly and babies that the jew terrorists kill should recieve rewards. i hope the lebanese fight back and fight hard.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous Die for the Elite said...


Thans for the tip. Just finished Norman Finklestein's Beyond Chutzpah. If you weren't disgusted by Israel's actions before, you're sure to be repulsed after this fine read.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The armageddon that is approaching reflects the Protocols of the Neocon Elders.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Read a book. Learn the history of the region. Read more than one book, while you are at it".

Start with the Bible, which shows the beginning of 4000 years of Jewish racism, of a God who was the God of the Israelites (and only the Israelites), claimed that they were the "chosen people" (nice thing for one race to write about itself, no?), set down religious law prohibiting Jews from marrying non-Jews (ironically a likely source of Nazi blood hygiene theories), and documented an endless series of battles with their neighbors (sound familiar?), ending with the murder of the males of that country/city, the rape and enslavement of the women. Has anything really changed? Modern day Israel has codified racism, the last true apartheid society on the planet and you want to talk about the nobility of your people because the supposedly don't show photos of dead bodies? Your entire culture is based on the exhibition of dead bodies/death as any tourist traveling there soon finds out. If you actually want to make headway with your ridiculous argument then the last thing you should be doing is encouraging people to educate themselves about the Middle-East. The theft of the land from it's original inhabitants by people who have no genetic connection to those that lived there 2000 years ago becomes more absurd with every page of history one reads...yes, by all means READ A BOOK and watch your outrage grow!

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous lurk said...

Don't read too much into press photographs either; of course there's a propaganda element involved here: for every mangled lebanese corpse, the Hizbullah resistance knows it adds to their support/sympathy pool; for every dead mangled israeli shown, the israeli government is well aware that its popularity will go down as being unable to defend its people. It got nothing to do with conspiracy, it's just common sense. Please, as humans, we can rise above petty hatred, and just kill each other off with dignity. Death is going to happen anyway, would'nt you rather it came without the cheers and catcalls of a football crowd? Respect the fallen, and try to better the world instead of spewing medieval hate litterature(protocols).

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

"lurk" said:

"Please, as humans, we can rise above petty hatred, and just kill each other off with dignity."

You're psychotic.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous Mighty Thor said...

Plan For Liberation Most Rational
(Mighty Thor, 17 July 06)

Yes, but remember, to Jews TRUTH IS HATE, as all criminals naturally hate the truth accusing them. That's what Judaism is-- worship of a killer war-God insanely obsessed w. his "chosen" whore, Jews. God is Jew's attack-dog, God worshipping Jews.

But more abstractly for cultural, dramatic, and thematic purposes it is the cyclic opposition of Judaic-subjective versus Western objective. Jews dominate Western hubris in unnatural subjectivism, always disguised in form of moralism and heresy complex-matrix, foundation then for conspiracy theory.

Think of it: once u control truth, a la' Orwell, u can kill and murder and call it "self-defense"--very clever how Jews manage then to control the mass corporate "Jews-media," indeed (and for just one example, Jews utmost gangsters, frauds, conspirators, and monopolists). But this absolute oligarchal fascist monopoly, founded in that basic subjectivism, is inexorably exposed by free internet. Jews must inevitably strike internet sooner or later.

For information and freedom will always threaten to destroy the Judeo-oligarchal power; ck TheNewAmerican.com for good expo on the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and various conspiracies, featuring no less than destruction of national sovereignty of USA, for one mere example, in favor of United Nations (UN) world government.

Thus we see the way conspiracy theory is founded--upon the heretical tendencies and general sinful nature of humanity, alas.

ALL GENTILES MUST UNITE IN ANTISEMITISM against Judeo-oligarchs, CFR, and their dupes the heretical "Judeo-Christians" (JCs), their brainless "allies" and accomplices in the USA, unfortunately. JCs aren't total traitors as they're dupes--they need INFORMATION quite badly: Christianity is necessarily antisemitic, a slight clue these JCs gotta "get."

As for tragic nature of reality--yes, it's true, but we're addicted (to life) nonetheless, and we need a plan which then only requires scientific analysis. Jews are sublime subjectivists, collectivists, hysterics, narcissists, etc.; they take advantage of self-deceived and hubristic gentiles who are now excess population which Jews now harvest, biologically keeping humanity fm being too "over-populated." Jews are disease, their mentality succeeding during sickness of gentiles hubris.

CONCLUSION: Such is Spenglerian "Decline of the West" since time of Napoleon at least (modern era). Thus Judaic banking arose and became dominant, the conqueror, truly. As we of West must continue to suffer, so unfortunately still, at least we can be informed for the successful effort of liberation as it must come, Jew parasite finally burning itself out through the herd of humanity. Thus we journalists observantly keep vigil, honesty basis of any possible plan--objectivity and rule-of-law. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Thor

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lurk, I'm down wit cha on the medieval hate literature. I haven't read them Protocols.

I did read The Report from Iron Mountain which seemed to make a lot of sense until the authorities told me it was a hoax.

Benjamin Freedman's speech seemed merit consideration until my betters explained it was a hoax as well (www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Freedman.html)

I was troubled and concered after reading Walter White's interview with Harold Rosenthal until I was told by the TV is was also a hoax

Henry Ford thought there was a conspiracy, but he was hoaxing I guess.

It sure is simpler now that I know not to read on my own.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Anonymous lurk said...

It's not about hoaxes or conspiracies, it's about presenting a perspective. I have no doubt people who wrote things about jewish involvement in world affair believed they found irrefutable proof of their assertions. Even today, for example, I can demonstrate pro-israeli bias in canadian media (mostly in global/national post), but what about it? It's editor is israeli so of course he's going to be biased toward Israel. But that does'nt mean that we're all puppets slaves to the system. If you don't like the money system the bankers put in place, go around it, or use it with disdain, as a necessary evil. The majority always has a choice; propaganda works better when it goes in the direction of it's target's desires.
qrswave: I am not psychotic. Well maybe. But I only wanted to go beyond the whole Bad Jews piece. Humans will kill each other off, that's a fact. Watch animal planet, you'll see we are truly part of the animal kingdom in that; but it could be so much better, with a bit more consideration. I think Nicolas Berg's father had it, when he said "
I am sure, knowing my son, that somewhere during their association with him these men became aware of what an extraordinary man my son was. I take comfort that when they did the awful thing they did, they weren't quite as in to it as they might have been. I am sure that they came to admire him.

I am sure that the one who wielded the knife felt Nick's breath on his hand and knew that he had a real human being there. I am sure that the others looked into my son's eyes and got at least a glimmer of what the rest of the world sees. And I am sure that these murderers, for just a brief moment, did not like what they were doing.

George Bush never looked into my son's eyes. George Bush doesn't know my son, and he is the worse for it."
This is humanity. There will always be death and murder, it is our way, but at least lets try to do it in a civilised manner.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Blogger The Sphinx said...

Mighty Thor, don't put all the Jews in the same basket. Yes, we have one common enemy, the Zionist regime, but there are loads of good Jewish people who are very much anti-Zionism. And they're just human beings like you and me.

I can't stand anybody put all Muslims under the label of "savage terrorists", so I can't allow myself to do the same to others.

At Monday, July 17, 2006, Blogger Michael Price said...

To the sphinx:

Your right, the Ethiopian Jews and the (genuinely Semitic) Kitites apparently don't believe in the Talmud, just the Torah. Not all Jews are racists.

However, those who follow the Talmud's teachings about Jewish supremacy are the source of much wickedness. They are mostly Azhkenazis, not true Semites, and so have no ancestors who lived in Palestine.

There are even some Jews of Khazar heritage who realize how irrational the idea of a Chosen Race is, and so consider the rest of us to be human beings, not subhuman 'goyim'.

However, the leaders in Israel and the members of the Zionist lobby groups in other countries are masters of deceitfulness and cunning. They have no concern for any part of humanity other than the Jews. In order to achieve their ends, they don't care if they destroy us all.

It's people like that - Jewish supremacists - who ordered the terrorist attacks on the civilians in Lebanon and Gaza. And yes, Israel is deliberately targeting civilians - they have an advanced and sophisticated air force that knows how to target the Hezbollah without many civilian casualties,
yet there have been far more civilian deaths than Hezbollah fighters. C'mon, lets face it, when you bomb residential apartment buildings, you know women and children are going to die.

That to me is murder and TERRORISM. The Zionists are the worst of all terrorists.

At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous How to counter the "protocols of the elders of zion" said...

Thank you for your insight Michael Price,

One thing we need to keep in mind, is that these Zionists don't care for "non-jew" but they VERY MUCH FEAR FOR THEMSELVES. That is the worst kind of cowardice.

And that is the only way, and the best way to stop their WAVES OF GENOCIDE. Target them, scare them, KNOW WHERE THEY HIDE.

They hide in uderground "palaces", literally caverns extremely large for being underground. These are located mostly (almost exclusively) in EUROPE and the USA. In Europe, the most dense location is in Germany, around Swiss, and England (near London in particular). In the USA, it is in the 3 localities where the highest concentration of Ashkenazi "jews" congregate --- LA (Hollywood), Miami (aka the infamous "miami mafia" is "jewish"), and NEW YORK. Not just the city of NY but the State as well. A few in Israel --- not "as much" as you would think, since they know that'll be the "sacrifical lamb" to forsee their "prophecy" to come true. The large underground drilling machines have been working overtime, for much of the last 4 to 5 DECADES.

The best method to locate them would be Ground Penetrating Radar (GPR) and Seismics (3D). Airborne Gravity and Magnetic surveys are less precise and accurate, due to the nature of physical superposition.

However, state-of-the-art technology is not absolutely required. Basic reconnaisance, observations, and note-taking is equally effective. Observe where the "rich" people live, congregate, and when the "car or person suddenly vanishes".....

Share your intelligence with others. This is the only way to put a stop to their 'worldly perversions'. They may not care if you or I suffer --- but they'll crack and crumble under adversity. That is the "kind" of person they are -- weak, pathetic, and stupid. Being rich and "powerful" doesn't mean much, especially when you can "trust" no one because of who you are....

At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is all fine and dandy...
But isn't the real question "How to stop this insanity?" Conspiracy Theory, or not... Global Plan, or not... Regardless of your personal feelings, and regardless of which side of the fence one may reside... the only way out of this is to simply stop playing the game.

At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous Have "keen" eyes, young man ;) said...

Anonymous said...

This is all fine and dandy...
But isn't the real question "How to stop this insanity?" Conspiracy Theory, or not... Global Plan, or not... Regardless of your personal feelings, and regardless of which side of the fence one may reside... the only way out of this is to simply stop playing the game.

Tue Jul 18, 03:51:35 AM EDT

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rothschild >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Conspiracy Theories" are worlds used by "mainstream media" to 'discredit' people who think. Young man, you don't have the Background in science, or physics to call anybody a 'conspiracy theorist'. LOL LOL LOL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

At Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In times of need, two things are most useful:

1) Survival skills

2) Knowledge of Science (physics in particular) and Computers

At Monday, July 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...


At Thursday, August 24, 2006, Blogger GODDESS4U said...

What's the story with the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"?

The Protocols are a hoax, and anyone with half a brain knows it. They persist not because they're true, but because they're useful.


At Thursday, August 24, 2006, Blogger GODDESS4U said...

The Inner Psychology of White Supremacists

Addressed to the patients here:

You like most bigots are governed by misconceptions brought on by unreasonable hate. This hate is usually a protection like a cocoon. It provides a layer against the 'evil' world which you take no responibilty for since your life goals were not achieved. These beliefs exist in a vacuum resilient to refutation. Either by isolation or denial!!!Your mutant picture of Jews just shows how debased you have become in avoiding /evading responsibility for your own actions. Its your own fear of obscurity that impells you to spread hatred that you recognize inwardly as false.

Like most anti-semites you hide your eternal religious hatred in a mantle of zealous righteousness. But deep down you know yourself to be a fraud. And that eat at you impelling yourself to further debasements.

At Thursday, August 24, 2006, Blogger GODDESS4U said...

Jewish Attitudes Toward Non-Jews

Judaism maintains that the righteous of all nations have a place in the world to come. This has been the majority rule since the days of the Talmud. Judaism generally recognizes that Christians and Moslems worship the same G-d that we do and those who follow the tenets of their religions can be considered righteous in the eyes of G-d.

Contrary to popular belief, Judaism does not maintain that Jews are better than other people. Although we refer to ourselves as G-d's chosen people, we do not believe that G-d chose the Jews because of any inherent superiority. According to the Talmud (Avodah Zarah 2b), G-d offered the Torah to all the nations of the earth, and the Jews were the only ones who accepted it. The story goes on to say that the Jews were offered the Torah last, and accepted it only because G-d held a mountain over their heads! (In Ex. 19:17, the words generally translated as "at the foot of the mountain" literally mean "underneath the mountain"!) Another traditional story suggests that G-d chose the Jewish nation because they were the lowliest of nations, and their success would be attributed to G-d's might rather than their own ability. Clearly, these are not the ideas of a people who think they are better than other nations.

Because of our acceptance of Torah, Jews have a special status in the eyes of G-d, but we lose that special status when we abandon Torah. Furthermore, the blessings that we received from G-d by accepting the Torah come with a high price: Jews have a greater responsibility than non-Jews. While non-Jews are only obligated to obey the seven commandments given to Noah, Jews are responsible for fulfilling the 613 mitzvot in the Torah, thus G-d will punish Jews for doing things that would not be a sin for non-Jews.


At Thursday, August 24, 2006, Blogger GODDESS4U said...

So Much Disdain for Zionism

There is so much disdain for Zionism. Most don't understand Zionism at all or they would not hate the word. It has been a target of a concerted effort to disparage Jews but most especially those Jews who support Israel. As to why we support Israel that is easy. Without it we are simply like the Kurds and the Armenians (were), a people displaced from their home.

Many of us have lived somewhere long enough to assimilate. The problem is, how much are we really accepted? If we are lucky enough to live in the United States, we are probably very much part of the landscape there. Our food and our habits and our jokes are all part of the mainstream. We're well entrenched in this society, but it hasn't always been the case in the United States and it isn't the case everywhere in the United States and many places it is not that easy to live as a Jew or even as an atheist who is a Jew. Some people will always hate the Jews and like other minorities in America the Jews are at times subject to humiliation and disdain. Even in Germany pre WWII Jews felt comfortable, more German than Jewish - just as many Jews today feel more American than Jewish. And that is the way many of us would like to feel. But it isn't always that easy. In German for example, Jews were so comfortable that many of them didn't want to leave when Germans turned against them - even for those who may have had an opportunity to get out. Most of us do not know what it is for others to lose their home. And we're not insensitive to the plight of the Palestinians. That is certainly why many of us also would like a resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, that is also satisfactory to Palestinians. Many of us are disappointed when there cannot be a resolution and when we hear that people hate Jews and Israelis. Those of you who hate Zionism have not really tried to understand us and to understand why Zionism is so very important to us. Why we care because we have been threatened before and we have been told it would pass and we have been told Zionism is evil and we are making much todo about nothing but it is our history and it is the Jews who are the ones who have experienced two thousand years of hatred and the being made to move and it is the Jews who have been threatened with annihilation and it is the Jews who have been murdered. Don't expect us to be suicidal.

Let me put it to you this way:

The sound of the shofar is loud, but our silence is louder.

Antisemitic polemicists often selectively pick from history that which best supports their premise. This has been done with profusion by Palestinians and by other Arabs because they consider us interlopers. How could they consider us strangers in a strange land? It isn't strange to us. All of us who ever spent any time in a shul can remember praying for our return to Israel ('Next Year in Jerusalem'). Since all the expulsions we have made it a part of our liturgy to pray that someday we will be safe again, in the Land of Israel.

The land is not strange to us. We know it as if we always lived there, those of us who haven't; as much as those who have. Many Jews have returned before and were forced out. Many Jews stayed there and endured the hardships and the attacks by neighbors who tried to make us leave.

When there was the war between Israel and Arabs in 1948, Palestinians left and they say we - 'Zionists' forced them to leave. We disagree. Many Israelis didn't want them to leave. The government asked them to stay. The leaders of these insurgents told the people to leave and they did. Some stayed and fought the Jews. Why did you not try to live with us? Why didn't you accept partition? We were already on the land then and were only going to take what was to be divided for us and the rest where most of the Palestinians lived would be divided for you - and that even after you already got all of Jordan so there were many times when the Mandate changed in your (Palestinian) favor. We just wanted to be left alone. But we would have made very good neighbors if you had only accepted us.

You have done well convincing people that you are in a bad way and you are. Look at you. Living in ghettos, that you won't move out of, that is supported by the international community and kept there in some cases by your neighbors who won't let you in either. We will help you rebuild. We - or I should say, Israelis have invited families to reunite and many have. We're not cruel and we want your families to live together and for you to be good neighbors. We were willing to give up so much and we did for Egypt and we would for you. You know that. It is your Arafat who refused to be a mensch. It was Arafat who tried to play his games and I guess it was his way to save face, which is not a pretty face, and I personally don't think it is worth saving.

You have your supporters. I'm sure, even some are well-meaning types, who find every excuse to support the seemingly vulnerable 'underdog,' even though the under-dog's bite is lethal. With your attacks on our women and children you test our tolerance. No wonder many of us just want you gone. No wonder many of us want to put up the highest and thickest wall we can to keep you out. Because you just want to kill us and every time we want to trust you, you kill us. Why can't you let us trust you? Golda Meir said she hated you for making us fight you and kill you when we acted out of defense to save our children and our women and old people. Why? Why are you so stubborn? It just makes it more difficult for you. You are throwing away your opportunity to live free and have a country.

To hear those who criticize Israel, you would think that the notion of terrorism has been the exclusive domain of the State of Israel and all of the Jews who live there. Ironically, they don't (many of them) distinguish one Jew from any other Jew? And to you, every Jew is an enemy. Every Jew is a bad Jew. I have news for you. We're not so bad. And we don't hate you. We do hate what you make us do. We don't like to come after your leaders who foment hate with their lies -- and tell you to die for Allah. How can you let your children die so foolishly? It is such a waste.

Of course it is acceptable to criticize Israel. But there is the argument that if someone criticizes Israel they will be considered antisemitic. That is absurd and in Israel there is harsher criticism by Jews, than even outside of Israel and no one considers them antisemitic. We know the difference between antisemitism and criticism. Whenever you say we are calling you antisemitic for your criticism, flags are raised, and we know that many merely use that as an excuse because they really are antisemitic. We know the difference. We don't need you or your supporters to try to tell us what we already know.

We are not saying you cannot criticize Israel because many of us criticize Israel all the time. Why not? Israel is a country like any other and can act harshly for reasons the government might think is justified but you and I do not. A lot of the same people who will always find fault with Israel however have not been as critical of others, like the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, or the Serbs or the Iraqis when they perpetrated genocidal exterminations of the Kurds, or Syrians when they murder their own people, and on and on. What many of us do not see from those of you who regularly criticize Israel is any similar criticism of others who are far worse, including Muslims, who are rarely, if ever criticized by Israel's detractors.

But Israelis are like anyone else. We bleed and we cry and we mourn our dead. And we die. Stop the killing. If you did not kill Jews we would never harm you. If you did not send your suicide bombers to blow us up we would never assassinate your leaders. It would stop.

If you had sensible leaders you would have had a country of your own years ago. That is a given. We want to beat our swords into plowshares. Why can't you understand that? Stop listening to those stupid, irresponsible Fatwas. I hate to be the one to tell you, but you clerics are nuts. They're ignorant and insanely hateful. They can manipulate you to do stupid things and you ought to be smarter than that.

It is so sad that ALL Jews, who live in Israel, are the same to the Palestinians, and their supporters and to the anti-Semites who play with political correctness to deny there is antisemitism against the Jews.

Those critical of Israelis mention the massacre at Sabra and Chatilla, of Christians against Muslims. Ariel Sharon wasn't involved. Israelis were not involved. Jews didn't do it. But you know that. You say he should have known. Why? It is something we wouldn't do so why would we think of it? Besides we were at war and you assassinated the Christian leader in Lebanon. You blame us for things others do. To you, it is always the Zionists. We don't massacre people. That is a slander you invented. We don't poison wells or candy. We don't do those things. Stop the lies.

And you always fail to mention Arab rioting and massacres of Jews in Israel, i.e. the many massacres in Hebron and the slaughter of 77 doctors and nurses on the road to Mt Scopus prior to Israel's independence from British and Arab aggressions.. You fail to mention the blowing up of children in buses and bombs going off in the middle of busy marketplaces and children losing their fingers to hollowed out coins which Palestinian terrorists filled with plastic explosives, etc. The list of too atrocities are too long and numerous to list.

I always supported Palestinian self-determination in the territories, but there was always the question of Palestinian integrity. The territorial issue has always been a smokescreen. It would be naive to assume that the real intention of the PLO or their other proxies in Hamas, Hizbellah, Jihad, etc. is anything other than the total liquidation of Israel. That part of the rhetoric has never been repudiated. If there is a two state solution, and even greater autonomy, the autonomous territories would still be a base for aggression against Israel. You give us no other choice but to believe that. What are we supposed to do? Are we irrational people? Are we supposed to commit national suicide by letting you kill us? You will never have a home in the territories because you act like animals. You are not civilized. Become civilized. Grow up.

A Muslim state would not be totally fair to non-Muslims, they never are. You say you offer protection - but that is only for as long as you can use us. That has been your history. You use and dispose of people. Muhammad promised plunder and people became Muslims for the bounty. The Jews didn't convert so he hated us. And it says so in your Koran so you hate us.

That has always been your history. Muhammad murdered all the Jews of Mecca. Arabs won't let Jews live in Saudi Arabia, or Jordan nor do you want Jews to live in the territories, even though many of us were there long before you were there and some were expelled again by the Jordanians when they captured the West Bank and Gaza and we took it back and they returned and you are crying about it again when we're not the interloper, you are. Give me a break! You are the settlers, not us. This isn't Nazi Germany. We'll live where we want to.

Look, maybe a Jewish state can't be completely fair to non-Jews, because it is called a 'Jewish State' but with democracy you have unique rights. You will have unique privileges. You can convince the Supreme Court to grant you the same powers. Where in what Arab country would you do that for us? What a deal you have in Israel.

But in most Arab countries if the inhabitants are Christians they don't have equal rights. They don't have many rights at all. The bias and views always favor Muslims. You know that. Don't even argue about it. Unfortunately you also fight among-st yourselves.

Israel is a Jewish State because if it wasn't you would impose your Sharia (Islamic Law) on us. You would make us subject to your Islamic laws again and we cannot permit that to happen. We escaped oppression. Zionism is a haven for Jews from all those places, including all the Arab countries where Jews lived and were expelled. We have our place and you have yours. Maybe we should just keep it that way. We'll build our fence so we can have better neighbors. No fence will only attract BAD people and we don't want bad neighbors. And someday, maybe when you get to like us better and become a bit more modern we can tear it down.

An Israeli soldier once said to me: 'The shofar (a trumpet made from a ram's horn which is blown during the Jewish high holy days) is loud, but silence is louder.'

For thousands of years the Jews have been forcibly expelled from one country after another. After Masada, the city of Jerusalem was destroyed. The Jewish nation was banished and became a People without a country, destined to wonder from one place to another; scorned, emasculated and humiliated. Jews were murdered during the Crusades, thousands beheaded; burned at the stake during the Inquisition; butchered by the Cossacks; accused of causing the Black Plague and other infamous crimes, the 'Blood Libel', etc. There were pogroms after pogroms and Jews with their ephemeral existence everywhere were only allowed to live and to survive for a few centuries at a time and then they were butchered and expelled again --- skinned alive and hung on hooks in slaughterhouses, processed into soap, glue, and fertilizer, victims of heinous medical experiments, (and the skin of some were purportedly made into lampshades by sadistic Christians), and they were cremated by the millions during the Holocaust.

Not even allowed to take refuge in the United States during the Second World War, but sent back to die in the crematoriums. Israel became the only refuge for oppressed Jews. Existence everywhere has always been ephemeral. And, one only needs to read Jewish history to realize that history does indeed repeat itself over and over again, where Jews are concerned. To believe otherwise is to live a false dream in a golden ghetto.

So while Zionism may be exclusionary, it is the only option. Zionism is 'self-defense.' The other so-called realistic view of relying on the good will of our fellow men (and women) - or relying on you, is the alternative choice which already cost millions of lives. We do not harbor malice toward the Palestinians or any Arabs. Indeed, we seek cooperation and understanding with the Arab Peoples and their national liberation movements -- but, not at the expense of Israel.

Zionism does discriminate because it is for Jews, of all colors and from all places (though we have also taken in a lot of non-Jews, simply because they were being oppressed elsewhere) But, in light of history and persecution of the Jews how could it not be 'specifically' a Jewish Liberation Movement?

When Jews formed the Jewish Brigade in the Second World War to fight Hitler and fascism while the Arabs supported Hitler, that was Zionism. When Jews fought against British colonialism in 'Palestine,' that was Zionism.

'Zionism is an unparalleled Jewish epic of centuries of resistance to force and bondage.' (Yosef Tekoah)

Zionism is the life blood of Judaism. Zionism is our promise of security. Zionism is self-defense. Zionism is love of Zion.


At Thursday, August 24, 2006, Blogger GODDESS4U said...

The Fracturing Thinking of BIGOTS

You see these bigots ALREADY hate Jews. Probably for a variety of personal reasons. Whenever he'd post under a Jewish name. I'd mention something like that "Jew" got in to the advanced program and he didn't. Or its Bible Belt residue that "Jews killed Christ" ignoring that fact Jesus died a Jew and Roman domination.
To these White supremacists the Jews are "the Man". The man who impedes there happiness. The one who prevents them from getting something better or becoming something better.The Jewish people become the "blame" tool. Its psychological pathology is very old but still strong. To explain their inability to shake their "bad luck" they invent vast conspiracies regarding Jewish intent. Since the impetus is emotional with little logical thinking inconsistancies arise when bigots apply logic to their emotions of hatred and envy.


At Saturday, August 26, 2006, Blogger GODDESSFORU said...

Norman G. Finkelstein

Holocaust denier and author of "The Holocaust Industry," who once famously asked, "If all these people survived the Holocaust, who actually died?" He has also referred to Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel as the "clown in the Holocaust circus." Further, he claimed that the Holocaust is being used by racist Jews to justify their presence in Palestine and to oppress Arabs. He agrees that the use of the Holocaust as "extortion" to extract money from Germans and others is a crime and, according to Finkelstein, just more proof of the fact that Jews care for nothing but money. Israel is not immune from his castigation either. In a December 200l speech in Beirut, Lebanon, Finkelstein compared Israeli behavior to "Nazi practices" during World War II. Finkelstein refers to the six million Jews murdered by the Nazis as the "Six Million" in quotation marks, and says that nearly every Holocaust survivor is a fraud, a thief and a liar. (Finkelstein's own parents are Holocaust survivors and Finkelstein has long tried to capitalize on this as a way to legitimize his own anti-Semitism.)

It’s inconceivable to me that Finkelstein might achieve tenure at De Paul University in Chicago, where he presently teaches his bizarre theories. That he is an assistant professor there is, in my view, a badge of shame for De Paul.

His true occupation is as a member of a traveling circus, a freak show of anti-Semites who promote anti-Israel propaganda from campus to campus. He openly admits to having high regard for Hezbollah on his Web site, and he promotes the false notion that "scholars widely agree that Israel ethnically cleansed the Palestinian people in 1948."

Finkelstein is almost universally regarded as a Jewish traitor and anti-Semite, and at the very least a fraud and pseudo-scholar. Commentary Magazine's Gabriel Schoenfeld has labeled Finkelstein's views as crackpot ideas, some of them mirrored almost verbatim in the propaganda put out by neo-Nazis around the world.. "Finkelsteins" books do not sell in America, but they are best-sellers among the growing number of neo-Nazis in Germany. Finkelstein has been endorsed by anti-Semites of all stripes, including Israeli Jewish anti-Semites like Neve Gordon from Ben Gurion University.

Has he EVER said a kind word about the Israel or the Jewish people? Sadly, we know of none. Even if Norman Finkelstein did not really exist, we'd have to invent him as a Self-Hating Israel-Threatening Jew.


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