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Do unto OTHERS...

...as you would have THEM do unto you.

Apparently, speech is free for some, but not for others.

This is why cries of 'free speech' by western governments are not taken seriously.


At Sunday, February 05, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe the quote is actually:

Do UNTO others as you would have them do unto you.

At Sunday, February 05, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...


At Sunday, February 05, 2006, Blogger tomtom said...

What is more damaging to the perception of islam or muslims: the Danish cartoons (you can actually only judge if you have seen them, which I did) or the video of the beheading of a hostage, by muslim fundamentalists. I have not seen any middle eastern consulate or embassy in the west being torched, there were no large demonstrations in the west to protest the cruel islamist.

How about respect then?

I doubt that people that urge for respect want a serious discussion (if ever possible) but are more busy avoiding a conflict which will not solve the problem. Fear plays a big role here and fear is a bad counselor. As most large religions (Christianity, Islam) using fear to control their believers. We should not give in an give up the freedom of speech, regardless. Theo van Gogh was murdered because he critisized islam.

Can we solve this? Maybe.

It is inevitable that we have to make a virtue out of need, we claim in an unambiguous way the right of freedom of faith of muslims and we have to link that with the right of freedom of speech for the critics of islam. That reciprocity is the core of an open society.

Personally I doubt that Islam and democracy and/or open society are things that can be linked for some time.

Know where to go

At Sunday, February 05, 2006, Blogger Jeff G said...

I think it is important to make the distinction between moderate Muslims and the fanatics of radical Islam. The cartoons are clearly offensive, but fall within the purview of free speech. While moderate Muslims restrict themselves to protest voices, radical Muslims issue threats, demands, and engage in violence and arson. It is also important to remember that moderate Muslims have suffered at the hands of Muslim fanatics--the ideological inheritors of extremists like Sayyid Qutb and Ayman al Zawahiri--as much or more than westerners.

If we over-generalize we permit radicals like the Taliban to represent Islam as a whole, which I think is a mistake. That would be akin to considering the religious right in America as the representative of Christianity as a whole.

At Monday, February 06, 2006, Blogger tomtom said...


You are absolutely right, but (in Europe) many muslims are dragged into (staged) demonstrations. Also the events in the middle east seem to be organized.

There are three things that do not help here:
the rise of violent political Islam
America's war on terror
modern transnational media

A good sign is that a very few middle eastern news papers have published the cartoons with appropritate comment. But the editors have been arrested.

If you feel offended you can take the offender to court would have been the way to go.

The demonstrations are serving a complete other goal. There are the radicals that want confontration.
Do not underestimate the power of stupid people especially in large groups

So the last alinea of my post is a solution for Muslims living in the modern world, link freedom of faith to freedom of speech. Othgerwis we are going to give up what we have fought for, for such a long time unless you are a masochist.

The news just broke that two people died in cartoon-protests staged in Afganistan. Was it worth it?

Never get lost

At Monday, February 06, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...

You forget that this is the European governments we are speaking of. I believe the KKK and Fundamentalist Muslims should have the right to proclaim the Holocaust never happened. I do have a problem with a government leader saying it - as we discussed. But let these people have their say, and let them be exposed as the ignorant and hateful beings they are.

My position requires guts and a thick skin - the European position is to shut their eyes and ears and shout "NANANANANA."

Which position leads to less violence?

Well, barring 9/11...when was the last time NYC was on fire the way Paris was?

At Monday, February 06, 2006, Blogger Neil Shakespeare said...

A tempest in a teapot. In this case a big teapot, many thousands of miles in diameter. Astoundingly stupid people, I must say. Religious nuts on all sides seemed determined to destroy the world.

At Monday, February 06, 2006, Blogger RedEyeJedi said...

I believe this is a deliberate provocation and reports are being exaggerated for a 'clash of civilizations'. The demonstrations make me think back to the news reports of Saddams statue coming down, where the media made it seem as if thousands upon thousands of people were there celebrating in the streets when in actual fact it was more like 100.

Obviously, there are hardcore fundamentalists that want to do nothing more than cause trouble, but this is a minority and not representative of believers of the faith.

Most comments are also ignoring the actual point the post was originally making - hypocrisy. The slightest charge of Anti-semitism gets a magazine closed down. An economics magazine at that!

At Monday, February 06, 2006, Anonymous Apollonian said...

Excellent note, RedEyeJedi, and I'll point out the Jews who've commented above, "Morpheus" and "MISS R," do nothing but slandering the Musselmen who are much put upon by the West pushed by the Judeo-"Sadducean" conspiracy, these Jews hoping no doubt to continue stoking the Orwellian "perpetual war for perp. peace."

"MISS R's" solipsism is merely typical of the (insanely) fanatical Jew, as the point to holohoax is whether there's any proof--a concept which seems quite foreign to Jews who consider proof to merely consist of their rabbis saying so and their Jews-media constantly repeating. Again, who do u Jews think u're really kidding? Ur constant lies wear ever thinner.

A great site to check is Judicial-inc.biz whence Jews are shown to be by far the foremost terrorists, specializing in "false flags"--committing the murders, then making it look like someone else did it.

It's incredible the things which can be done when one controls the counterfeiting racket like the US Federal Reserve Bank--the Judeo-"Sadducean" conspiracy in accord with New Testament. Apollonian

At Monday, February 06, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...

Appollonian - You use freedom of speech to constantly advocate hatred. Funny you proclaim such freedom of speech when it suits you, and censorship against those who have viewpoints you disagree with. Pretty amusing and typical.

At Monday, February 06, 2006, Anonymous Apollonian said...

Yes, u lying Jew, and now pls tell me where I advocated censorship of those who disagree--do u have a citation? U are so pathetic.

Look Jew, hatred is mere emotion. The thing to be advocated is truth, one of the greatest being Jews like u are such enemies of God and truth, both of which u hate, but which hatred is upheld by u Jews as okay.

Hey, I thought Jews were supposed to be smart--if so, why can't u even spell "Apollonian" when u got the word in front of ur hook-nosed face? Apollonian

At Monday, February 06, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

Again, personal attacks using stereotypical characterizations.

Apollonian, it's useless and offensive.

At Monday, February 06, 2006, Anonymous Apollonian said...

(1) What about the great majority of us who find Jew lies offensive?

(2) Whether it's "useless" as u say is ur own opinion, isn't it? I'm willing to find out on my own without ur wishful thinking.

(3) Tell me qrswave, are u aware of any preaching on my part for censorship? What side of the truth are u on, anyway? Apollonian

At Tuesday, February 07, 2006, Blogger RedEyeJedi said...

Hey! I just thought I should make it clear that I am not prejudice in any way. Apollian seems to have jumped on my post as an excuse for spouting bigotted views.

Since I believe in the eternity of the soul and reincarnation, in which we are not restricted by faith or even race regarding the bodies which we are reborn - it seems pretty pointless to me, to hate anyone on religious/race grounds. Divisions by race/religion/sex etc.... are all part of the plan of the powers that be (Illuminati) to divide and rule us and distract from the real issue - We are their slaves.

We are all the same - the only difference is some people forget that.

At Tuesday, February 07, 2006, Anonymous Apollonian said...

Hey RedEyeJedi get this straight: I don't need u for any reason whatever, and I don't use a twerp like u or anything u say as "excuse." It's great u believe all that stupid crap--I don't care either, and I don't care what u find "pointless." Believe me, twerp-brains, I'm certainly not the same as u. So stick all this foregoing into ur little pipe, eh? U forgot ur brain. Apollonian

At Tuesday, February 07, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...


why must you take every disagreement with you personally?

At Tuesday, February 07, 2006, Anonymous Apollonian said...

Gosh, but I knew u'd have something to say. So I'll continue my commentary this way: weaklings like "RedEyeJedi" haven't got a chance of stopping the Bush-"neo-con" Judeo-"Sadducean" conspiracy--I mean the guy doesn't know his behind fm the proverbial "hole in the ground." Neither, I'm afraid, do u qrswave, though u are gainfully employed in ur blogging efforts, undoubtedly a positive pt. But u're going to have to grow and develop and, like, leave off with this unreal moralism u like to display--it's only dragging u down for ur thought-processes, and will only serve as ur undoing at a critical moment. For that's what's going on right now, I fear, we still gotta lose a lot of weaklings against the Judeo-"Sadduceans"--who will then only start to fail when there's no one left but for the uncompromising sort like myself, unlike u and the "Jedi" with a "RedEye."

We need absolutely committed antisemites--but who have enough wit to understand it's not just the chosenites, who absolutely need the traitorous "Sadduceans" of modern-day (Falwell, Robertson, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, et al.) as necessary co-conspirators to lead their goons like the "Judeo-Christians" and elders, this all in accord with New Testament Conspiracy theory-template.

We need Christians who mean business, who are serious, who are rationalist and antisemitic--this is the only thing which will defeat this putrid conspiratorial juggernaut we're presently up against. Right now u seem only partly serious, more interested in displaying what a "moral" person u are, utterly ignorant of the incredible hubris and smugness u thus display, for there is no "good-evil," no perfectly free human free will--this is ur rather brainless conceit u somehow have to lose.

Middle class smugness is emblem of present Spenglerian "Decline of the West," and moralism is the very essence of this putrid smugness and hubris, the very cause of our sufferings, by which, for example, u insist upon tolerating those monsters, that disease, the Jews.

U and "RedEyeJedi" most desperately need to understand what the Talmud is and preaches, but u're too stupid, evidently, to get a clue. If u did cover the Talmud and ck the sources I've given, u'd surely think a lot more and a lot better. Talmud is truly an amazing document--the Zohar (Kabala) is yet another.

U wonder why we patriots can't get anything going against the Judeo-"Sadducean" conspiratorial juggernaut? Look in the mirror. We're not gonna get anything going till we lose the weaklings and that stupid smugness which only saps our strength. We have to fight like our very lives depend on it, with grimmest determination, not the flowery idiocy we get fm such as "RedEyeJedi" who doesn't really care about winning or surviving, just that he says something he imagines is sublime; what a moron; what a LOSER.

But meantime I do hope u keep up ur blogging activity--we sure caught "Miss R" yesterday red-handed in the typical Jew lying, eh?--as when she insisted the Danish guy who published the cartoons had "no affiliation" with Jews or whatever. That's typical of these Jews, qrswave, u need to note this as u'll come upon it again and again--lying is their Jew religion well noted in Talmud and their most solemn prayer, the "Kol Nidre," wherein they absolve themselves in advance for any strategic lies they have to tell in the coming year. Thanks for ur attention.

At Tuesday, February 07, 2006, Blogger RedEyeJedi said...

Damn! You're really confused.

At Tuesday, February 07, 2006, Anonymous Apollonian said...

Well, so why don't u analyze and instruct me as to my "confusion"? Think of it--it might even help other patriots. Apollonian

At Tuesday, February 07, 2006, Blogger RedEyeJedi said...

I would say part of the problem is calling yourself a patriot. It's divide and rule. Why people feel the need to swear allegiance to the piece of land that happened to have been under their mothers ass when she popped 'em out - I will never understand.

Well actually, that's a lie - I do understand - It's (not so) subtle brainwashing from the time we are born.

The Powers That Be do not swear any such allegiances. They all work together for the enslavement of mankind. Bush, Bin Laden, Saddam - they are all on the same team.

At Wednesday, February 08, 2006, Anonymous Apollonian said...

Well "RedEyeJedi," if that (above) is ur "analysis," I gotta say it rather leaves something to be desired. U don't impress me as one who really knows a whole heck of a lot, actually. U seem to just like to babble some abstract-sounding sooth-saying, thinking u sound all wise for doing so, if u want to know my real opinion.

For one thing, what is ur problem w my calling myself "patriot," eh?--why is that such a great mystery for the likes of aliens like u? This is our white Christian land, and we intend to defend it to the death--but preferably to the death of our enemies (probably like u) first--so what's so mysterious for such as u?

But then u do admit u "will never understand"--and that's the real clue right there, eh? YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND.

I'd say u're probably not a white person, and so I have to wonder who u think u are lecturing us real patriots. U should just keep ur mouth shut, eh? We don't need such as u--who do u think u are?

But thanks anyway for ur notes, as I like to draw people out for what and how they think. I guess u are fairly honest. Apollonian

At Wednesday, February 08, 2006, Blogger RedEyeJedi said...

OK. I see it's pointless talking to you. My 'analysis' was not very in-depth, as it is obvious you are beyond help.

At least you show some signs of intelligence - being able to deduce from my photo that I am probably not white.

You should broaden your topics of interst and research. You ever heard of:
Nimrod, Semiramis & Tammuz?
Osiris, Isis & Horus?
Zeus, Semele & Dionysus?
Zarathustra, Anahita & Mithras?

Maybe you should start there. I'll give you a clue: the Father (God), Virgin Mother & Son of God. They are just some of the mythical figures that were worshipped at various periods over thousands of years to subdue the masses into obedience, before the current myth of the Jesus character. They all share the same birthday, 25th December as well as too many other shared attributes to mention.

Sorry - good luck.

At Wednesday, February 08, 2006, Anonymous Apollonian said...

Hey thanks for the compliment(s), such as they were/are. Gee it's thrilling to be thought "intelligent" by our good "RedEyeJedi" who knows so much, and so eloquent for his expressions thereof, eh?

To answer, yes, I have heard of the names u list--but u give no conclusion for ur premises but for the same brainless presumptions--for urs is just same brainless Jew-communist propaganda (regarding Christianity).

New Testament (NT) is outstanding Western literature--Greek in substance and tradition, no less than Illiad and Oddysey by HOMER, ever heard of him?

NT is meant as HEGELIAN ANTITHESIS TO the "Pharisees" whose descendents (in race and religion) now call themselves Jews and hold as their controlling document, the Talmud--ever heard of it. The Talmud preaches it is okay to lie to gentiles as long as it is approved by rabbis for the hegemony and dominance of Jews--it says other neat stuff, too.

Hence u see, NT is meant as most magnificent, profound literature, no less than Illiad and Oddysey, as I note--WHICH TEACHES US OF WESTERN CULTURE A TRULY SUBLIME LESSON, far more sublime, evidently, than u're capable, I'm sorry to suggest--though I continue to pray for ur pathetic soul.

If u pretend u're capable of discourse with a patriot like me, I suggest u do me the great honor of reading my blog-entry, this site, for "Truth Does Not Negotiate With Lies." U'll see there's genuine substantial point to my expostulations which I hope to make not too complicated for such as u, a benighted and ignorant being of inferior culture.

Again, u're dumbass comments about Christianity are mere stock Jew-communist propaganda. U should try to increase ur intelligence levels by means of Western research and critical reading--ck, again, my blog-entry, aforementioned.

Otherwise, and Regardless, I do thank u for all ur comments; be assured I do pray for the salvation of souls of even those of inferior race, like u. Apollonian

At Wednesday, February 08, 2006, Anonymous Apollonian said...

Oh sorry, I lied (but unintentionally)--I haven't hrd of the "Anahita," but by all means, tell me all about her or him or it--is there an exciting and thematic Hegelian dialectic involved which is actually, really pertinent? Tell me all about it. Apollonian

At Thursday, February 09, 2006, Blogger tomtom said...

Nurse, nurse, is there a shrink around?

Fearless Navigator


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