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Israeli Chief of CIA's Investment Group Mysteriously Resigns - AGAIN!

The new chief of the CIA's venture capital organization, In-Q-Tel, has resigned after just four months on the job. [!!!]
I didn't know the CIA had a venture capital group.
Amit Yoran, who was the government's cybersecurity chief until he left that job in 2004, said Monday he stepped down for personal reasons.

The role of In-Q-Tel's chief executive requires significant travel, and Yoran and his wife - a U.S. government lawyer - have three young daughters.
Yeah, right. And no one told him before he started that this was part of the job description? Maybe he and his wife just recently adopted their daughters wholesale. Or maybe, just maybe, something more sinister is going on.
The man making sure US computer networks are safe and secure has resigned after only a year in his post.

Amit Yoran was director of the National Cyber Security Division within the US Department of Homeland Security created following the 9/11 attacks.

The division was tasked with improving US defences against malicious hackers, viruses and other net-based threats.

Reports suggest he left because his division was not given enough clout within the larger organisation.

[His] division was charged with thinking up and carrying out action to make US networks more impervious to attack and disruption by the viruses, worms and hack attacks that have become commonplace.

In the last 12 months Mr Yoran oversaw the creation of a cyber alert system that sends out warnings about big hitting viruses and net attacks as they occur.

The warnings also contained information about how firms and organisations could protect themselves against these attacks.

The Cyber Security Division also audited US government networks to discover exactly what was sitting on which network.

The next step was to be the creation of a scanning system to identify vulnerabilities that made federal networks and machines susceptible to attack by malicious hackers and virus writers.

Mr Yoran's division was also doing work to identify the networks and machines that had been broken into by cyber criminals.

Despite this success Mr Yoran left his post abruptly at the end of last week, reportedly only giving one day's notice to bosses at the Department of Homeland Security.
ONE DAY'S NOTICE?!! And he subsequently gets appointed CHIEF of the CIA's capital venture group?!! That's insane!

Even now, after twice bailing on the government, Yoran remains on the payroll.
Yoran said he agreed with In-Q-Tel's board to continue working as a consultant and adviser.

In-Q-Tel - named for "Q," the fictional inventor of spy tools and toys for James Bond - makes about a dozen such investments annually with roughly $60 million it receives from the CIA's Directorate of Science and Technology, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the FBI and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.
Something's VERY fishy about this.

Perhaps, this has something to do with the recent effort to hand an intelligence security contract to an Israeli company.

Or maybe, the Mrs. 'senses' that something's about to happen in the Justice Department.

UPDATE: Comments about this post at the Rigorous Intuition message board are ESSENTIAL -repeat 'ESSENTIAL'- reading.


At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Gerald Buckley said...

Mr. Yoran's a standup guy and nothing screwy is afoot.

ONE day's notice is actually generous in a post like that. Considering all the exposure he has personally. I'd say immediate notice would be a better route to take. "Here's my badge now show me out the door please."

It *IS* a tough gig and he probably didn't have as good an understanding of the demands or how his family would react to his absence.

Whether the DOJ has anything underway or not... when DON'T they have something in the works?!

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...

Let me sum up the general outlook of this blog re: anything that Israel does...

*Israel evil*
*Israel out to get America*
*Mossad has agents that infiltrate America*
*Israel eeeeeevil*

This entry only shows that a man resigned from his post. Do we know why he resigned? No. It could be for a myriad of reasons. But the only reason that this blog picks at this is because the man is Israeli. Because Israel is eeeeevil!!!


At Monday, April 24, 2006, Blogger Stephen Francis said...

"But the only reason that this blog picks at this is because the man is Israeli."

An Israeli shouldn't be running anything to do with the CIA. As a matter of fact, no foreign national should be anywhere near another government's operations.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Israel IS evil.

How many times do you have to be burned by them to accept this as truth.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...


Maybe. But that doesn't change the fact that this blog only picked up on this story because the man is ISRAELI, not a "foreigner."


Get a life and learn to actually read FACTS and not LIES or EXAGGERATIONS, some of which are perpetuated by this blog.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Blogger Tracy V said...

Great Post, Great Blog!!

There is definately something going on between the US government and Israel's government and the people that deny it are fools living in a bubble so they do not have to think about anything outside of their own little bubble.



At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

great blog... keep up the good work. many are waking up... it is time to put israel and our relationship with the country under a microscope.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Blogger Stephen Francis said...

Miss R:

"But that doesn't change the fact that this blog only picked up on this story because the man is ISRAELI, not a "foreigner.""

Good. Israelis in the US government need exposing. Had the man been a citizen of Saudi Arabia, the Zionist-heavy press would have exposed him. As it is, the Zionist-heavy press protects Jews and Israelis that work against American interests.

Rabbi Dov Zakheim is a perfect example.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Miss R, if you are so offended, I'm sure you can go start a blog where Israel is always good and never tries to infiltrate, spy on, steal from or terrorize another country. Considering all the money the United States has given Israel over the years, I think we should expect better treatment.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have ye all forgotten -- We are a ZOG. Hundreds of Mossad Agents have been caught running wild in America - see http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hundreds.html.
Good bye Yoran -- you will surely be missed -- NOT!! I don't think he resigned of his own volition -- but was put on notice by CIA to resign and spare the agency another embarassment. He is really a Mossad mole -- and more than likely asked to resign using the lame excuse that he did not realize how much travel his job required. Piss off Israeli spy -- and good riddence! By the way -- Israel is the definition of "evil" in every respect.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well there's definetly SOMETHING fishy going on. Take all the vetoes the US has made in defense of Israel. Why?

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...

Other than paranoid ramblings by this blog and much of the internet, where is the evidence that Israel actually is doing ANYTHING against America? Yes, of course there are Mossad agents in America.

La dee freaking da.

We operate in an international environment where every major nation's intelligence network infilitrates into as many places as possible.

Mossad in America. So? There are many secret agents from MANY nations in America, and across the world! Hell, the CIA has agents in Israel, and across the world. It's not some one way street.

Yet there is the selective and continual focus on Israel. As EEEEEVIL!

Watch your back! Israel is coming!

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Alan Cuntington said...

The atrocities of 11 September 2001 were committed by the Israeli state and its agents to create a pretext that would enable the USA to wage unprovoked war on Israel's enemies.

The writing's on the wall and, sooner rather than later, ignoramuses such as "Miss R" shall reap a whirlwind many times more horrifying than 11 September 2001.

Let it be sooner, rather that later.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Blogger crusader bunnypants said...


cui bono

Israel or Iraq?

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...


Does this mean you wish death on me?

GREAT! *smiles*

Lest there be any mistake, this is what Alan said:

The writing's on the wall and, sooner rather than later, ignoramuses such as "Miss R" shall reap a whirlwind many times more horrifying than 11 September 2001.

Realllly makes your case legitimate. *rolls eyes*

Then Alan had this "brilliant" thing he said.

The atrocities of 11 September 2001 were committed by the Israeli state and its agents to create a pretext that would enable the USA to wage unprovoked war on Israel's enemies.

Oh, and you are bringing the tired old "Israel is behind 9/11" spiel. *yawns* Predictable.

Keep wishing death on me. It really will make those who disagree with your case want to change sides. *said sarcastically*

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

Please. No threats, or comments that can be interpreted as threats.

We're reporting facts and positing theories to consider.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Frank Ucksworth said...

Hear, hear, at last some intelligent debate coming in far and away above the juvenile dribbling of the likes of "Miss R".

Of COURSE there's a clear connection between Israel, AIPAC (The American Israeli Public Affairs Committee), The Dod (Pentagon), The White House and Congress.

George W Bush's ex-personal assistant, Israel Hernandez, what yet another senior US Government official or tame Republican lobbyist forced to resign recently in the wake of shame and disgrace along with Ari Fleisher, Scott McClelland, Andy Card, Scooter Libby, Jack Abramowitz, Larry Franklin, Douglas Feith and Richard Perle once their hideous and criminal dovotion to the Zionist cause (Project for a New American Century) became too embarrassing and untenable even for the average American to tolerate.

Watch the approval polls and take a joyful look at the way the Republican movement is about to be broken into smithereens on the rocks of its lack of humanity and independence.

Look at the disaster in Iraq, read about the nightmare in Afghanistan - do some research into the way the Iranian and Venezuelan governments are running humiliating rings around America for all the world to see: if you cannot see the ovious you are a complete IMBECILE.

If you think America's phoney Israelcentric wars were such a great idea, why not join the Marines?

I am repulsed by the pigs and spammers that lamely attempt to detract from the far-sighted clarity of this blog.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Phil Reamer said...

Yes indeed and I must just say great blog! and thanks a lot to Frank and Alan for trouncing "Miss R" into a trash can back there!

I would just like to say that individuals such as "Miss R" consistently write TOTAL GASH that adds little or no value to this or other forums.

What is required is the thoughtful, fact-based analysis of differing insights - not snide, puerile wanging.

The useless spammers that plague this blog must not be allowed to derail the processes of exposure and reflection for which this blog has become world famous.

I would also like to take this opportunity to wish you all an extremely good night.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...

Do I deny that there is any connection between Israel and America? No. It would be ignorant to do so.

I also never advocated the war in Iraq and would not advocate a war in Iran. In fact, if you were to poll American Jews, you would find most were AGAINST the Iraq war. So much for "The Jewish lobby."

It is just ignorant, pig headed, and plain retarded to pin EVERYTHING on Israel. There are some hard-right pro-Israel people within the Bush administration, such as Richard Perle. But he did not act alone, and I could point to scores of other individuals within the White House who have their own special interests who ALSO advocated the war in Iraq.

Comments such as "America went to war for Israel." And "Israel determines American foreign policy" is not only ignorant, stupid, and WRONG, it is also offensive and anti-Jewish. To single out an ethnic group, or the nation of a particular ethnic group, and blame THEM without ANY sort of proof is a perfect example of a bias/prejudice against Jews and Israel.

Was AIPAC and Perle and INFLUENCE? Sure. But so were Big Oil, Christian Evangelicals, Karl Rove, the "let's GIT EM" mentality of Bush, Halliburton, Bush's need to change the Middle East to his liking, and scores of other corporations.

If you analyze each interest based on the monetary or social influence on Bush, in fact AIPAC is one of the lesser influences. It has neither the money, nor shares the religion, of Bush or his base.

I want to conclude that this monolithic idea of ISRAEL has somehow pro-war is a completely ignorant perspective of how the Israeli government and people operate. It is a diverse and pluralistic society, with people who have MANY perspectives. It is only the HARD RIGHT perspective which even has any allies in the White House - Likud - and yet, Likud is now a marginal party.

I know that people like you really hate to use REASON and hate to actually use your BRAINS, but even using the SMALLEST AMOUNT of logic shows how painfully obvious it is that Israel does NOT dictate American foreign policy.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous The Wizard's Sleeve said...

You are falling into exactly the same trap as the other idiotic talking heads and apologists who attempt to dissemble and apologise on behalf of the political psychopaths in the Knesset, IDF and Mossad.

To criticise Israel is not anti-Jewish - this conniving "anti-semitism defence" holds no water and reaks of cowardice.

The manner in which the Israeli state has treated its Palestinian hosts since 1948 is violent, inhumane and DISGUSTING. Do some proper research and try also to avoid being tricked into such tedious, one-sided and smug hypocricies.


At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous B said...

Amit Yoran stepped down but he will be working for In-Q-Tel as a consultant and adviser. I bet he got a salary raise and a nice work station in Israel so the Department of Justice can't grab him and put him in jail like Abramhoff.
Nice to see the Isreali cheerleaders mucking up the comment page. Hey cheerleaders-game over-- go home--to Isreal. Or renounce your Isreali citizenship by Joining the Marine Corps and become a true american.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Clown's Pocket said...

Israel's behaviour and its position are completely indefensible.

The Israeli government blackmails and bribes its way through the American political system.

Israel is known to use a network of commercial organisations and quasi non-governmental organisations to further its aims in a covert, underhand manner - like sewer roaches.

Israel uses 'the holocaust' as a gold card on which to dine out, yet more and more the world is questioning the consensus view and the myth is being squashed.

The Israelis and Americans should keep their hands off other countries and watch the benefits flow in.

Surely it stands to reason in anyone's language that if you do not attack another person (country), they are less likely to attack you?

THINK about it before you begin another of your dime-a-dozen, confused and meaningless diatribes.

Pip pip.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...

The wizard's sleeve,

Let me quote myself, so that what I said is not taken out of context.

To single out an ethnic group, or the nation of a particular ethnic group, and blame THEM without ANY sort of proof is a perfect example of a bias/prejudice against Jews and Israel.

A reasoned and contextual critique of Israel is NOT anti-Jewish. It is not anti-Jewish to rationally discuss the strengths and weaknesses of the Jewish state. It is quite another thing to hysterically claim Israel planned 9/11, or that Israel is behind all of the major American foreign policy. Both statements are irrational, lunatical, and clearly stemming from a place of hate.

I have done "proper research" on Israel. I know of some of the wrongs Israel has committed. But then again, the Arab nations and Palestinians have also done wrong, which is usually swept under the rug by the Arab press or hard left who unequivocably disparage Israel. Actually, Israel is comparatively far BETTER than Arab nations, and Arab Israelis have more rights and opportunities within Israel than they can hope for in any Arab nation.

Israel is not perfect, but it is great considering the hell it is put through. (and I know what happened in 1948 - the year Palestinians refused to have their own state (which they were offered) and went to war with Israel on the very day Israel was formed as a nation)

Why don't you do your research and then come back and make an intelligent point?

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...

clown's pocket,

Let me quote you.

Israel uses 'the holocaust' as a gold card on which to dine out, yet more and more the world is questioning the consensus view and the myth is being squashed.

Okay, so you openly deny or dispute that the Holocaust happened.

Nice. It's good to know who frequents this blog and which people are anti-Israel.

I give you props for your honesty.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous The Undertaker said...

The USA is getting *reamed* in Iraq - this scandalous misadventure in Iraq has broken the back of Bush's Third Reich and opened up his stinking backside exactly like a wizards sleeve.

Afghanistan is an opium den, a yawning and unhealing crater of deprivation and violence that is yet another gaping wound for the USG and seeps open like a clowns pocket - a seething morass of anti-western sentiment and aggression.

Into the breach step Iran, Venezuela, North Korea and the others, whose taunts are as hilarious as they are audacious and viciously timed to exploit the rudderless folly of Bush's recent enterprises.

And so, a big 'well done' to the US Government for paralysing a perfecly healthy domestic economy and 'congratulations' for destroying the nation's reputation around the world. 'Way to go' for destroying the lives of thousands of servicemen and women and their families - not to mention HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT FOREIGN CIVILIANS.

And for what? Who REALLY benefits from this mass orgy of torture, mass murder, profligacy, fraud and deception?

You know who.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...

The undertaker,

Given you wrote your comment on a post about an Israeli, I will assume "you know who" is Israel.

In fact, Israel has NOT benefitted from a destablized Middle East. There are more suicide bombers in the region than ever before. It is exactly AGAINST the interests of Israel for a war to be fought against Iraq.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Blogger Tate said...

Until I had Internet access, I had no idea of the things Israel has done to destroy America.

The Washington Post would, every few years, have an article on the attack of the USS Liberty. I don't know if certain elements in the Pentagon were involved in this horrific attack on America to justify the bombing of Cairo and were stopped by the fact that many of the victims of this attack by Israel survived.

I don't know about the dancing Israelis on 911 and I am not a Houlecoust denier but the AIPAC and Condi leaking classified secrets to Israel must be investigated but since so many of our Congressperson's are indebted to AIPAC, like the Senate investigation of the USS Liberty atrocity that never took place, we need to find some way to investigate the Congress for their refusal to do their job and that includes the Niger forgeries and other evidence that bush manipulated the data to go to war on Iraq and now they are doing the same thing with IraN.

There are other evil groups pushing for this and not just Israel but the anti-semitism card that is played despite several Israel players being prosecuted has to stop.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...

The USS Liberty was a case of mistaken identity. The incident has been thoroughly investigated, and that was the conclusion that was reached.

LOGICALLY, Israel has no motive to attack the US.

So let's cut the crap and start dealing with REALITY.

Here's a Jerusalem Post article on the incident.


At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Ariel "Flatline" Sharon said...

Miss R, how about I build a blockade wall that denies you free passage through your neighbourhood purely on the grounds of your colour and creed.

And then how about I bulldoze your stinking hovel into the turf purely on the grounds of your colour and creed? And how about I cut off funding, food, water, communications, freight, fuel and electricity from your stinking neighbourhood purely on the grounds of your colour and creed?

And how about I finish off by firing Hellfire missiles into your stinking apartment block purely on the grounds of your colour and creed... Yes Israel is a helluva lot 'better than Arab nations', better at murder and destruction in an unfair fight using the tools of war it pilfered and weadled and blackmailed out of the USA.

You should take your one-eyed myopia back to the drawing board and give further consideration to this careless ranting of yours.

Israelis assassinated Harari in attempt to frame Syria.

Thus again beware the false flag of Israel.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Fox News said...

The Jerusalem Post is a child's propaganda comic and Haaretz... is toilet paper.

Don't! Don't believe what you read!

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

Well said, Undertaker. But, I have to differ with you on one thing, and this is going a bit off topic.

"'well done' to the US Government for paralysing a perfecly healthy domestic economy"

Our economy has been totally shot for at least 15 years, or more.

So, you can't rightly blame the current fiscal-economic crisis entirely on the current administration. Successive administrations - and Congresses - are responsible for it.

And we ain't seen nothing yet! Unless some congressmen muster up the courage to demand a radical change in our monetary system, our economy is toast.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since Mr Yaron found himself managing inside a highly sensitive and secretive is enough of an indication that Tel Aviv appoint whoever she wishes including the presidents of USA
see what Bush has done so far for Israel He even declared to commit US troops and money to defend Israel,,,,

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For everyone's sake, can't you see that this whole business is a manufactured war so that the US don't piss off the Israealis, and that the planned Iran oil bourse could bring America to its knees within 6 months? Bush wants to kick Iran ass for the same reasons that he tried to kick Iraq ass when Saddam declared that the petrodollar was worthless, and he'd rather use the euro. Sweden has moved this way. In a couple of months China and Iran will move the same way and then the US will be either bankrupt or in hyperinflationary meltdown. Forget 4$ a gallon. Look at 40$ a gallon.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Dove said...

Miss R,
Please see the difference between extreme right pro-israel or even zionists and people who see themselfs as "jew" , otherwise you're just like a neo-nazi, blurring the difference!

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Mighty Thor said...

"Miss R"--If She Didn't Exist, We'd Have To Invent
(Mighty Thor, 24 Apr 06)

Hey "Phil Reamer" and comrades, I think "Miss R" is actually brilliant and perfectly demonstrates the very kind and sort of Israeli traitors and disinfo agents pretending to be American here in this nation, once a bastion and haven for Christianity, now mere imperialist cesspool seething with bacterium and vermin like "Miss R" who actually, nonetheless, does a brilliant job in her inimitable way.

I especially like her above statement (6:12 PM) to effect that to blame Jews is antisemitic--duh, yeah--no shit, u hook-nosed moron, I think it was the very point, Dick Tracy. "No proof whatsoever"?--what's Larry Franklin, Jack, the Jew, Abramoff; "Scooter" the kike, Libby; and the indicted AIPAC zhids who collaborated w. Franklin, u incredibly stupid ass?--just coincidences? "Miss R" u insult people's intelligence and u do it deliberately and in-the-face. I'm glad u think u're comedienne--one otherwise might conclude u actually work against Jews too well, eh? Thank God for the internet so anyone can see ur incredible insanity and chutzpah, "Miss R," chutzpah, effrontery, presumption your very religion, eh "Miss R"?--I thought u said u weren't religious Jew?--u amazing, utterly brainless charicature of a Jew's Jew.

Keep up ur outstanding work, "Miss R"--I think people are finally beginning to conclude Israel and Jews have been getting a bum rap by "antisemites." Thor

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jews who equate criticism of the Israeli government with anti-semitism do Jews around the world a PROFOUND disservice. It is absurd as saying that to criticize George Bush is to be anti-Christian. Both countries are ruled by right-wing wackos. Jews in the US should be hollering from the roof-tops that this is the case and that they disapprove of it. It is madness that Jews in the US are pressured to support "Israel" at any cost because it makes them defacto accessories to the crimes of a small minority of that country... the ruling right-wing wackos.

Criticizing Israel is not anti-semitism. But calling criticism of Israel anti-semitic INVITES anti-semitism, for better or worse. Because Israel is run by people who INVITE criticism by their actions. In that regard Israel is quite similar to the US.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Mighty Thor said...

Antisemitism: Obedience To God!
(Mighty Thor, 24 Apr 06)

Oh balderdash, thou blithering, brainless boob, "anon" at 9:48 PM. Zionism is natural expression of Judaism-Talmudism, just as is communism; admit the truth, and heed to the logic. What's wrong with antisemitism anyway, u cowardly curmudgeon of corruption? Antisemitism is obedience to God. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Thor

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Mighty Thor" and his ilk are no better than the most murderous and racist Zionist ever to set foot on the face of the earth. The fact of the matter is that US Jews voted OVERWELMINGLY against Bush in both elections. US Jews OVERWHELMINGLY oppose the Iraq War. Perhaps a small faction of Israelis assisted with the 9-11 operation, but only at bequest of the US military-industrial cabal that commandeered it. The fact is that Israel WARNED the US that the shit was going to hit the fan in August 2001. Repeatedly.

Knuckle-draggers like Thor make hate a sport, not something to be buried in the backyard. Thor, the guys who pull the levers here wear whale pants and drink gin and tonics. Rumfeld. Cheney. Bush. Meyers. Perhaps you are so obsessed with race and religion that you can't face the fact that it was YOUR people that really got us into this fucking mess. So you need to find someone else to blame.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

Thanks, Anon 9:48pm

A large number of Jewish people in America who abhor Israeli policies and actively oppose Zionist philosphy.

As you can see, there are people (like thor) who disagree. But, decide for yourself. Logic and experience will guide you.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Mighty Thor said...

Poor Qrswave Continues To Falter
(Mighty Thor, 24 Apr 06)

Qrswave, u poor, hard-working gentile whose brain obviously, occasionally, but hopefully not too often, gets too overworked, ZIONISM IS NOT necessarily THE POINT--MERELY A DETAIL. The point is the TALMUD! It is the Talmud which commemorates Jews' execution of Christ, the incredibly presumptuous casting and portrayal of God as mere servant of Jews, etc.

Can't u see these scummy Talmudists merely condemn Zionism as failed tactic, fully intending to carry forward the putrid Talmudic strategy? Look how easily the scum fool u--for which u'll get no points fm God, I assure u. If Muslims like u don't start getting smart, u'll ever be victims of these satanic Talmudic puke. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Thor

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Mighty Thor said...

Iraq War Just Part Of Spenglerian "Decline..."
(Mighty Thor, 24 Apr 06)

Regarding "anon" at 9:58 PM: hey, ck out my masterpieces on previous blog, this site, "Damning Evidence Of Big Oil Conspiracy...," of 20 Apr. By golly but I said a mouthful several times. Also I got another neat essay on blog just after this (time-wise), "Israelis Warned...." I also got essays saved up on NewNation.org under "commentary" heading, though presently dear editor there is reconstructing.

Otherwise, u're the one who needs getting a serious clue, comrade. So what Jews voted against Bush?--only to vote for Jew Kerry?--who admitted he'd essentially have done same thing as Bush. I can tell u're just a stupid Jew urself (or one of their suckalongs).

The people to be "blamed" are the Judeo-oligarchal conspiracy like the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR--see JBS.org), as I've noted; again ck references. I don't make hate a sport as I'm dead serious about antisemitism--necessary to save our gentile lives, comrade.

So before u condemn me as mere dabbler ck into what I seriously propound, exposit, demonstrate, and prove comrade. I serve the volk with most serious truth, information, and logical analysis--unlike u who simply likes to call names ("knuckle-dragger").

CONCLUSION: The "mess" we're in is generally known as Spengler's "Decline of the West," and Jews play absolutely integral part, Bush I & II, Rumsfeld, Cheney, et al., mere players and pawns, I assure u. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Thor

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...

I bolded what I stated earlier, and it was still twisted around.

Wow, what a shock!

Criticism of Israel in and of itself is not anti-Jewish. It is the hysterical, nonsensical, and blatantly biased criticism of Israel that is seen on this blog which is anti-Jewish.

I have frequently read comments to the contrary - "Nooo! I am only anti-Israel, not anti-Jewish! I love Jews!"

Bullshit. Then why the complete hysterical, lying, manipulative, paranoid fantasies about the ONE Jewish state in the world?

There is no other conclusion to draw other than the fact that Israel is particularly targeted because it is a Jewish state.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

So, are you saying that the Jewish members of Neturei Karta are anti-Jewish? That's absurd.

And since when am I anti-Jewish? You've known me for three years now and know that that is NOT true.

Your accusation is thoroughly flawed and supported neither by logic nor experience.

Israel is criticized for its CONDUCT, not its Jewish character. You just can't accept it and I can't understand why.

At Monday, April 24, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...


I honestly am beginning to think you do have an anti-Jewish bias.

This hysterical belief that somehow Israel bombs its own people, that it is behind 9/11, that somehow Israel is always the aggressor and Palestinians are always the victims...

Where does it come from? Certainly it is not based in fact.

The group you mention, Neturei Karta, based their beliefs upon their interpretation of the Jewish faith. You are not Jewish and that has nothing to do with your objections to Israel.

You glorify Iran, a nation with a horrendous human rights record, and yet you vilify Israel.

This double standard against the one Jewish state in the world has caused me to question your motivations for the constant vilification of Israel. Either you are a patsy who buys into everything the hard left and Arab media says, or you honestly believe what you say. I am not sure which one is better.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

"The group you mention, Neturei Karta, based their beliefs upon their interpretation of the Jewish faith. You are not Jewish and that has nothing to do with your objections to Israel."

What are you smoking? The reasons why they object to Israel is NOT JUST a matter of religious interpretation. It is also a normative stance, based on the same universal logic I apply in all my writing.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...

Let me add that a balanced criticism of Israel for leveling homes and using too much force against Palestinians in retaliation for suicide bombing attacks, as well as obvious discrimination against Arab Israelis within Israel is a fair criticism of Israel. I do NOT see that as inherently anti-Jewish. Those are fair criticisms.

However, to blame Israel, to the exclusion of other nations, for a plethora of human rights violations and to say somehow Israel is the WORST offender - it is irrational, biased, and does make one think it comes from an anti-Jewish perspective. To blame Israel for 9/11 and for bombing its own people is not only irrational, it is offensive and nonsensical, with no basis in fact, and smacks of a pathology that sees conspiracy theories in everything and blames it on Israel. Same can be said for blaming the Iraq War squarely on Israel.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...


The group in question has two main problems with Israel.

1) There is the issue of bibical interpretation and whether Jews should have a Jewish state at all.

2) As Jews, they hold Jews up to a higher human rights standard than the rest of the world, and think Israel is failing that higher standard.

You are neither Jewish, nor do you have the right to hold Jews up to any higher standard of anything. So this particular group you cite does NOT justify targetting Israel in the particular way you repeatedly do.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

That is preposterous. I do not hold Israelis to a higher human rights standard than I hold other human beings.

But, I am very curious to learn why you think that Jews from Neturei Karta are justified in holding other Jews to a "human rights standard" higher than what's expected of other human beings?

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...


I never said I hold Jews out to any higher standard, though I did say that that group does. Their reasoning is that, as a Jew, they hold their faith and their culture to extraordinary esteem, and expect a great deal out of those who share the faith and culture.

I do not necessarily hold Jews out to a higher standard, so I cannot say I necessarily agree with their reasoning, but I can understand it.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

To say that you "can understand it" necessarily implies that you consider it logical.

So, either you think it's a logical approach, i.e., you agree with its premise, or you think it's an illogical approach and you reject its premise.

You can't have it both ways.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...


I want to add that I never thought you held Israel out to a higher standard. Instead, I think you hold it out to a DOUBLE standard.

Things Israel do which other nations do and have done times twenty are lambasted as the "Big Bad." You blast Israel while praising IRAN, of all nations. And lastly, you ALWAYS assume the worst of Israel, no matter what, and still believe somehow Israel was involved with or planned 9/11.

That is not indicative of a "higher" standard that you hold out for Israel, instead, it is indicative of a DOUBLE standard, and a PARANOID standard. It troubles me, as I think you are one of the smartest people I have ever met, AND you are in law school - a school which should at the very LEAST foster the ability to see two sides of every story.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...


I understand why ANY group of people would hold those of similar faith/belief/culture to a higher standard because that is the nature of how most people in the world thinks.

Most people in the world think "my religion/culture/nation is the best stuff since sliced bread." Hell, why do people ascribe to any religion in particular, instead of Unitarian Universalism? (which is a belief in ALL religions) They believe their religion is correct and others are wrong.

This particular group's holding Jews up to a higher standard is not necessarily JUSTIFIED, but it is UNDERSTANDABLE within the context of understanding how human beings think.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

My standards DO NOT vary. I am principled.

Iran does not occupy someone else's land nor does it have inordinate influence over America's foreign policy. So, I have no reason to scrutinize its every move.

Yes, there are two perspectives to each situation, but even in the courtroom there is only ONE judgment.

And finally, let me ask you this, can a person convert to Judaism?

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...


I am not sure how or why it is relevant if someone can convert to Judaism. The answer to your question is yes and no.

Some branches of Judaism hold that the only way to be Jewish is to be BORN Jewish - there is no conversion.

MOST branches of Judaism hold that you can convert to Judaism, HOWEVER, there is a policy even among those branches to not seek converts, and to deny the ability to convert until the person in question shows they are very serious about converting.

You speak about occupying land, when in fact EVERY NATION IN THE WORLD "OCCUPIES" THE LAND OF SOMEONE ELSE. Every nation in the world was founded by war. Every nation in the world has various forms of discrimination. So I fail to see the focus on Israel. Iran itself occupies the land that was previously inhabited by other people.

Moreover, the question of "occupation" is a loaded one. The main part of Israel was founded in two ways: buying up the land lawfully from abstentee landlords, and the 1948 war, (which the Muslims did start), in which, when Israel responded to the war, there were Palestinians chased off their land. Since then, those Palestinians who remained became full citizens of Israel, complete with a political party, and consare generally called Arab Israelis. I have read documented discrimination against Arab Israelis, HOWEVER, what I have read certainly is no more (and in my opinion less) than the sort of discrimination against minority groups that is seen in most of the world. I never condone discrimination and do not say this behavior is right, but it certainly is not a call to alarm that this blog and you in particular seem to constantly be ringing - not when there are far worse cases of discrimination across the world and even in America. I would say that according to ANY definition, the main part of Israel is legitimate and NOT occupying other people's land. It should be noted that also in 1948, Jews who had been living in Arab nations since recorded history were kicked out by corrupt Arab regimes, even though many of those Jews who were kicked out in fact did not even believe in the State of Israel.

Then there is the issue of the Palestinians. The 1967 war was a preemptive war, but it was one in which there war troops lined up at the borders of Israel, ready to strike. The radio programs within the Arab nations themselves spoke of war. It was the sort of preemptive strike that was such a war of necessity, I would call it a defensive war. This war, which the Arab nations expected would be a clean up job, turned out to be just the opposite. In fact, Israel won the West Bank and Sinai Peninsula. After winning both areas, Israel was in an uncomfortable position. What were they to do with it? At the time (and to this day), Israel operated in an environment of constant fear for their very existence. They had a justified fear of attack from Arab nations. The nation of Israel, in my opinion, committed a grave oversight, in that their justified fear of attack by Arab nations led them to think that they needed these terrorties as a sort of "buffer zone" from attack. I do not think that the leaders of Israel particularly contemplated the problem of the Palestinians when they first won the West Bank and Sinai Peninsula. However, over time, the leaders of Israel came to realize the problem of both regions, and so started the policy of "land for peace." The 1979 Camp David Agreements was a very successful example of this, whereby Israel gave back the entire Sinai Peninsula to Egypt in exchange for peace. Thus, where assured peace can be had, it is Israel's policy of giving up land.

I do not see Israel as some brutal occupying force when they have showed they ARE willing to give up land when there is to be an assured peace. However, they have been dealing with the corrupt and feckless Arafat for decades - a man who died with $20 billion - money and aid meant to go to the Palestinians he "represented." This selfish man only believed in himself, not in the Palestinian people, and never was a real bargaining partner.

Until the Palestinians have a bargaining partner that recognizes Israel's right to exist, there is no reason for Israel to bargain with Palestinians. And yet, recently Ehud Olmert decided to simply give up land without a bargain - recognizing there is no effective bargaining power. He does this admist suicide bombs and a Hamas regime which wishes to deny Israel's base right to exist.

Some cruel "occupier!"

And as far as Israel's supposed hegemony over American foreign policy, it is simply untrue. Israel has an influence, but nothing more. In fact, Israel had a very strained relationship with Clinton, the man who had Arafat over to the White House more times than Israeli leaders. It is patently absurd to say somehow Israel dictates American foreign policy, as I have demonstrated multiple times.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...


The more I read, the more convinced I am that in fact you are simply buying into the hard-left and Arab press propoganda of Israel, and have ZERO beef with Jews. I am sorry for ever implying otherwise.

I want to state this again. Of course there is honest criticism of Israel - which is not a perfect nation. It is stupid and offensive to say HONEST CRITICISM of Israel is anti-Jewish, and I never said that. I simply do not think this blog actually does honestly criticize Israel, though the reason I believe for it to be so is that QRS is religious (and so will be loathe to necessarily blame Evangelicals - also religious), and a leftist. So who's left to blame? Big corporations and Israel, which is a secular state.

The world is more complicated. I have yet to see a truly critical post about Evangelicals or Christians in America - you know, the people who actually hold the BIGGEST influence on Bush, other than corporations.

But thinking it over, I understand why this is so.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Erosoplier said...

miss R, your history of Israel starts halfway through the story.

The year after the US Fed got a licence to print money (1913), the world went to war (you guessed it - 1914). In a perfect world, we would be given enough time and thinking space to come (correctly)to the conclusion that these two events were intimately related. The US funded Britain to such an extent that a 1935 Congressional investigation came to the conclusion that the US entered WW1 in order to protect its loans.

The ultimate cause of WW1 was to do with oil - everyone knew it was the way of the future by this stage. Britain, economically dominant though it was, was geographically a little island on the outskirts - and there was fast growing Germany busy building a railway all the way to Bagdhad!England let the French flounder on the Western Front while it sent more resources than could ever be justified to places like Turkey and Suez - places much closer to the prize. And at the end of the war Britain was camped on all of what it thought were the best spots in the Middle East.

Anyhoo, the Jews in Germany at this time weren't an underclass - they were as a group significantly wealthier than the average German, and with the Balfour declaration (1917 - ie mid-war) - where Britain pledged support in principle for the founding of a state of Israel in Palestine, their loyalties, in Germany and world-wide, shifted decisively towards Britain. Germany, harshly treated by the Versailles treaty (1919) and taking stock after the war came to the conclusion that they'd been betrayed by the Jews. Thus began the rot, because the German Jews didn't leave for the new Israel after the war - it didn't exist - they stayed in Germany.

A book recommendation: 'A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order' (1992, 2004) by William Engdahl.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Miss R,

So you understand criticism of Israel, and you understand certain groups that "hold their own to a higher standard" than others. Do you understand your own bias toward Israel? It is quite apparent that you longingly cling to the hope that there is a resolute purpose for Her existence (for different reasons, I too hope for the same). Your apologetic and biased apathy at holding the Israeli government to ANY standard leaves little doubt to where your national allegiance lies (and your own principles, btw).

And the subject matter for discussion is certainly not all about Israel or how they are so all-powerful as to come get us all -- that is your own projection of their power. Your defensive bias continues to focus the attention on your own lack of comprehension and awareness that Israel's shortcomings represent a sliver of what is wrong in the world. No more, no less -- but it is certainly doing wrong and should be called out for it.

Anyway, on to the topic at hand. We have two agencies possibly at work, each with interestig mottos:

"And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free."

"By Way of Deception, thou shalt do War"

So ... I can understand the CIA investigating the truth, but it draws into question whether Israeli intelligence is at WAR with the USA (and others) and is merely conducting their war against us by way of deception when they spy & perform covert ops on us?

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...


Your comment implies the Holocaust was justified. It also implies that somehow anti-Jewish sentiment was justified.

I also fail to see how it has anything to do with the history of Israel per se.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...

I want it to be clear I was referring to Anon 5:29 am.

Anon 5:44 am:

You are simply wrong about Mossad's motto. It is a common mistranslation. Taken from wikipedia, the following is Mossad's motto:

Mossad's original motto: be-tahbūlōt ta`aseh lekhā milkhamāh (Hebrew: בתחבולות תעשה לך מלחמה, "For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war." - Proverbs XXIV, 6 or the more recognised translation "By way of deception thou shalt make war") was changed recently as part of the Mossad's public 'coming out' to another Proverbs passage: be-'éyn tahbūlōt yīpōl `ām; ū-teshū`āh be-rōv yo'éts (Hebrew: באין תחבולות יפול עם, ותשועה ברוב יועץ, "Where no counsel is, the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." - Proverbs XI, 14)


I see common disinfo and half truths about Israel and Mossad spread all over the internet.

Otherwise, I fail to see how my account of history is wrong. I acknowledge when I feel Israel has done wrong. I do not see QRS, this blog, or those who frequent it, doing the same re: Palestinians or Muslims.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Um, are you reading the same page? This is not an Israeli history board. I made no comment about the justification of killing anybody, in WWII or otherwise.

But if that is all you care to discuss when we are on a board regarding potential infiltration of our CIA, in a war obviously waged at extracting as much capital $$ toward Israel... sure I'll play.

The method of death means little to me, so I regret the 25 million Russian lives lost fighting hard to restrain a German juggernaut. The German government at the time thought that some forms of people were dogs (ironically, much like I've heard Israelis on messageboards call Palestinians -- but I realize you will focus too heavily on this minor correlation). In any case, though I can "understand" those that held their populace to a "higher standard" I strongly disagree with their means of achieving this. Also, I don't think I would find it much more palatable if the Germans had armed the Holocaust/starvation victims with rocks outside the city walls to allow them to fight for justice.

The Israeli government does not appear to represent nor reflect the views of Jewish people. Therefore, I do not ascribe their actions to Jewish people. You seem to be bent on making such a connection, however. In some way trying to share in their actions where it serves your identity/argument, but too often get the meat/weight of the opposing view.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oops, thanks for clarifying which Anon. I looked in vain for context. (my fault for not logging in)

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So you meant Erosoplier (I think). :)

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...

Anon 6:04 am:

Oops, yes, I meant Eros, not you.

Anon 6:00 am:

I never said Israel represents the views of all Jews, but it IS a Jewish state.

And your analogy is a false one, simply because the Palestinians are not being elliminated as Jews were in the Holocaust, are not in concentration camps, and in fact are in the position through a complicated assortment of factors, including the hatred that Arab governments have for Palestinians (see - Jordan's killing of thousands of Palestinians on "Black September" in 1971), the Palestinian leader's own continual rejections of any compromise to form a state, and of course Arafat's blatant pilfering of aid meant to set up schools, hospitals, and various infrastructure for Palestinians. Let me repeat: he died with $20 BILLION in Swiss bank accounts - money sent to him from nations around the world - meant to go to the Palestinians. All this exists on top of the terror that the Palestinians inflict upon Israelis, often stoked by their poverty (which is/was related to Arafat's laundering of money meant for them), and propoganda given to them.

That said, of course Israel has demolished homes and shot the wrong people. I never said I condoned that. But that is hardly existing in a vacuum - it is existing in a state of war, and during a war, mistakes will be made.

I pity the Palestinians, I really do. I realize it must suck horribly to be an ordinary Palestinian. There is no way I could endure such an existence. But to pen this all on Israel, or to even BEGIN to imply that Israel is enacting a "Holocaust" upon the Palestinians is blatantly incorrect.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Erosoplier said...

He whose vision cannot cover history's 3000 years,
Must, in outer darkness hover,
live within the day's frontiers.


And I'm not talking 3000 years even - I only want to include 50 more than the last 50...

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...


First of all, in my analysis, I examined the State of Israel from the Settlors moving to Israel into the modern day. I am not sure what you are looking for. An analysis since the beginning of time?

Let's do that, then.

Let's examine the fact that Jews have lived in the Middle East, and in Israel, since recorded history. The only reason they did't STILL live in Israel in large numbers as of the late 1800's was due to the diaspora - forced upon Jews by the Romans. In fact, Jews have been persecuted and slaughtered en masse for the mere fact of their Jewish identity for thousands of years - thus dwindling their numbers.

The group that QRS cited basically believes that the Talmud mandates Jews to suffer from the diaspora until the Messiach will come. There is much dispute regarding that interpretation, but there is no dispute that much of why many Jews around the world have an emotional connection to Israel is due to the knowledge of thousands of years of persecution, and the general sense of relief at the knowledge that there is a place run by Jews where Jews will not be persecuted merely for having a certain belief.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Miss R said: "But to pen this all on Israel, or to even BEGIN to imply that Israel is enacting a "Holocaust" upon the Palestinians is blatantly incorrect."

That is fair. I was attempting to draw some correlations to the earlier statement of anyone being held to a higher standard (racist? antagonistic?); and relating to holding oneself to any standard when we defend the impropriety of others (or fail to question their motives). Those Israelis that mimic the Nazis by calling Pali's derogatory terms do not seem to have learned the lessons and are themselves repeating the process of demonization if not [yet] a Holocaust.

Rachel Corrie was not "mistakenly" killed, nor was the lack of due process into the murder a "mistake" or due to the imperfections of a Jewish state.

That said, every nation has their skeletons and Israel is no different. I appreciate your stipulations, explaining your position too.

But in past posts you seem to:
1) deflect much of the true wrongs Israel directly commits,
2) dissuade against the likely possibility of involvement of a few bad apples in clandestine activities, and
3) it governs too much of the topic.

For example, I am wanting to discover more about how strategic a job this post might have been for a foreign intelligence operative. Being the chief of an investment group can allow a person to put a great many agents (and technologies) in place at distributed semi-connected business ventures that have little to no appearance of impropriety. This can certainly be for financial gain and/or to insert many additional operatives in key industries and locations.

:) Which could be of interest for you-know-who...

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...

So there is no mistaking what I wrote:

The main part of Israel was founded in two ways: buying up the land lawfully from abstentee landlords, and the 1948 war, (which the Muslims did start), in which, when Israel responded to the war, there were Palestinians chased off their land.

Indeed, the settlors of Israel in fact lawfully purchased their land from absentee landlords prior to the formation of the State of Israel. That said, there was terrorism prior to 1948. Palestinians killed hundreds of innocent Jewish settlors - women and children - in Hebron in the 1920s. In response, the Irgun and Stern gangs formed and terrorized Palestinians, killing innocents.

I do not condone the actions of the Irgun or Stern gangs, but they most certainly did not exist in an vacuum.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...

I want to stipulate that the last post was directed at Eros.

Anon 7:01 am:

I have no idea what you are talking about when you speak of Pali.

Re: Rachel Corrie. In fact there is much dispute over what happened. I tend to believe the account stating that her death was an accident. There was zero motivation to kill an innocent person, and remains zero motivation for Israel to kill an innocent. You believe what you want, but the facts tend to fall on Rachel Corrie's death being an accident.


At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's fine. And I will continue to believe that both Israel and the Palestinian Authority play the victim role to garner sympathy to the tune of billions from charitable [government agents] around the world. Campaigns and quid pro quos can be expensive. :)

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...

Anon 7:16 am:

You know what? I have no problem with your belief. Let me quote you.

I will continue to believe that both Israel and the Palestinian Authority play the victim role to garner sympathy to the tune of billions from charitable [government agents] around the world.

This is the first time I have read anyone on this blog post any blame upon the Palestinian Authority. This is progress!

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Anonymous Confab said...

Miss R - If Mossad, like so many Israeli agencies, is going to rely on whacky biblical justifications for policy -- such as that deity- mandated and state-sanctioned right that "chosen" people have to "return" to where they've never been in the first place -- then I would recommend Deuteronomy 7:6 for the new motto! It would certainly be more in the spirit of glasnost.

A couple of other things:

a) The Arab armies only tried to defend those areas of Palestine that were assigned to them by the anti-democratic and racist UN partition plan. When Count Folke Bernadotte was sent to try and stop the hostilities that erupted on declaration of Der Judenstaat, he discovered that the Zionists were trying to take Arab-assigned territory. He reminded the Zionists that Israel was established by the United Nations, and that it had to comply with UN decisions. For merely proposing a new partition plan, he was assassinated. Count Bernadotte, you might remember, was responsible for the rescue of thousands of Jews from Nazi camps.

b) Israel was proudly founded on terrorism.

c) Israel was responsible for the first ever hijacking of a civilian jet.

d) Israeli leaders have repeatedly admitted that the illegitimate and unprecedented pre-emptive Casus Belli for the 1967 Turkey Shoot was an Israeli confabulation - a lie - and I think it is time you accepted that too.
(eg; Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972)

e) The Israeli military General who described his objective for Palestinian life as "drugged cockroaches in a bottle" - Raphael Eitan - didn't really want to discuss Operation Cyanide in the context of the repeated attack on the U.S.S. Liberty by air and gunboat. This plan to murder a Americans as a pretext for the U.S. attacking Egypt for Israel, was actually hatched in the United States by the 3030 committee. Use google to learn more.

c) Albert Einstein and some of his American Jewish friends wrote a letter to the New York Times in 1948, in which they described Menachim Begin, his collaborators, his colleagues, their policies, practices and intentions as, quote, "Nazis", "the terrorist party" and "the fascist party" who "preach an admixture of ultra-nationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority."
This same letter, signed by Einstein, advised that their main goal was "bringing in more fascist compatriots," and further warned that we could learn from their past actions--such as the Deir Yassin massascre, of which they were all very proud--what may be expected in the future.

You can find a copy of that remarkably prescient letter, here:

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Anonymous Confab said...

corrections -
1) that last point should obviously be f) (!)
2) the 303 Committee hatched or approved Cyanide

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...


1) I do not advocate or justify the action taken in the killing of Count Folke Bernadotte. I did not even know that particular killing took place, to be honest, but when I looked it up, I found out information re: this.


I agree with his proposals which were made in 1948, so it is tragic he was killed.

I never disputed the fact that there was terrorism involved in the foundation of the State of Israel. In fact there was terrorism on both sides - settlors forming the Stern/Irgun gang, and Palestinians.



It is not a clear cut case of "Jews used terrorism and Palestinians did not."

Sure, the history of Irgun may not be pleasant.


However, the history of what the Palestinians did also is not pleasant. For instance, the leader of the Palestinians was an open Nazi supporter and recruited Muslims for the Waffen-SS.


My eyes are open about Israel. I am fully aware of how it was founded. I do not necessarily advocate everything they have done. But then again, there is often no acknowledgement of what the Palestinians have done.

Fair is fair. If you bring up Irgun, then you also acknowledge what happened in Hebron.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...

I want to add that I did research on the attack on the the USS Liberty, and provided a link to a wiki article which has extensive documentation on BOTH sides.

The evidence and simple logic prove that in fact the attack was an accident, and not pre-planned.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Anonymous Confab said...

Miss R:
Please note - I won't read anything about Israel at the sayanim-infested "controversial" and very "contested" wikipedia.
That would be like trying to learn anything at all about URBAN MOVING SYTEMS on the September 11 attack page, Miss R - no thanks!

What do you think of Deuteronomy 7:6?

What does "chosen one" mean to you?

What does "covenented" mean?

What do you think of US television coverage on the day of the arrest in New Jersey of 5 celebrating Israelis in connection with 911?
(note - there was no television coverage!)
Comparing this absence of coverage (jubilant Israeli suspects in NJ) to the ad nuaseum repetition of the video of allegedly "celebrating" Palestinian stooges in the West Bank on 911, what conclusions might you reach about Zionist influence in the western media?

What justified the partition of Palestine against the wishes of its 90% Arab population inthe first place?

When Gandhi said, "Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same way England that belongs to the English," what do you think he meant?

Why can't Palestinians who were born in Palestine return to where they were born, while those Jews who have never set foot in Israel are automaticaly entitled to a state-santioned and deity-mandated oxymoronic "right to return"?

What other nation has a policy like it?

What other nation shoots its ab_original inhabitants from Apache gunship attack helicopters?

Why do you think the former Prime Minister of Israel, Ehud Barak --- the guy who offered Palestinians some generous little bantustans while the Zionist controled media even here in Australia - as in the US - REFUSED TO SHOW US THE GENEROUS MAP) -- why do you think he said:

"If I was a Palestinian I would have joined a terrorist organisation"

Why do you think the media didn't show us the map?

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...


Enjoy your tin foil hats!

I will sum up your bias and hatred with the single phrase:


This is a common derogative used against anyone who is a supporter of Jews and Israel.

Then when you go on to blame Israel for 9/11, citing all sorts of lies - it only highlights exactly the philosophy of those who are virulently and illogically anti-Israel.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...


At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Anonymous Confab said...

Miss R:
if it makes you feel better, then by all means continue your deceptive and unethical conflation of all Jews with the terrorist and religio-racist supremacist state of Y'Sra El (wrestle with deity), and keep exploiting those appeals to ridicule, strawmen, red herrings, and other logical fallacies that fail to address the evidence.

I will just sum up your defense of Israel in a single word:


At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...


I never once said all Jews agree with or even believe in the State of Israel.

On the other hand, Israel is a Jewish state - this does not mean it represents all Jews. And selective targeting with lies/disinfo/hatred/paranoia of the one Jewish state smacks of one of two things: flat out ignorance, or anti-Jewish hatred.

Your Holocaust denial, paranoid delusions, and language in general have proven yourself to be a hater of the first order.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...


I want to add something else. I am not sure why you labeled me a racist, when it is quite clear that you glorify racism. Was that meant to be a compliment?

Overall, seeing the link to hate sites being branded as fact by commenters on this board has been very illuminating. It has caused me to read further into history, and to see exactly how far the disinfo has spread against Israel and the the Jews. It is truly mind boggling.

At Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So anyways... can somebody illuminate the possible motivations for infiltrating into a job at this post? How might this provide benefit to foreign intelligence operatives?

Example... Being the chief of an investment group can allow a person to:

a) allow insertion of vast numbers of agents at distributed and "laundered" business ventures (i.e., businesses that have an appearance of legitimacy) on a sliding scale from front-companies to semi-legitimate businesses with little to no appearance of impropriety.

b) allow investment of US taxpayer dollars into connected foreign-headed (e.g., Israeli) companies. Personal friends, etc.

c) strategic entry of foreign national individuals into key technologies as part of an architected plan when taken as a whole. electronics, communications, highway/transportation-related, aircraft guidance ventures, etc.

d) strategic placement of foreign nations at specific physical locations so they have justified reason for being in Toledo, etc.


At Wednesday, April 26, 2006, Blogger Erosoplier said...

Thanks for that link to the RI messageboard qrswave - a new place to spend hundreds of hours sorting the wheat from the chaff - just what I need!

At Wednesday, April 26, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

You're welcome. Some pretty interesting facts and analysis over there.

At Wednesday, April 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Washington DC is Israeli occupied territory. Time to correct it in November.

At Saturday, May 06, 2006, Anonymous Suck Me Off !! said...


A Bush/Neocon/Zionist
Atomic 'Incident' In The US?
Voice of the White House

I have been speaking about some kind of an "October Surprise," i.e. some kind of a spectacular event designed to assist Bush and his Republicans to overcome growing evidence that his party will be obliterated at the November, 2006, mid-term elections. I have seen a number of vague references to something of this sort on various speculative websites but there is certainly strong evidence that such a project is being discussed. When I write articles like this, I always wince because many readers do not read, or understand, my disclaimer which states that although such matters are under discussion at high levels here in Washington, their implementation is by no means a certainty.

As a case in point, the cunningly leaked Pentagon plans for military action against Iran have a basis in fact but their leakage was to frighten Iran into complying with Bush's orders to cease and desist their atomic programs. In fact, the Pentagon knows it could not logistically support any such action and economists have warned the White House that disruption of Iranian oil production would wreak havoc with the world oil market and push the price of light crude oil up to a minimum of $200 a barrel (it is now closing on $100 a barrel and this will be reflected by sharply increasing pump prices within a month.)

Bush is not a normal man in any sense of the word. He is of limited intellect, certainly out of touch with reality, living in a world of fantasy that he will not leave under any circumstances, stubborn, egomaniacal to a degree and certain that he has a mandate from Almighty God to rule. He has antagonized both sides of the aisle in Congress, tried his best to rule by decree, displayed an appalling lack of concern for human life (both in the casualties continuing to be suffered by young soldiers and, even worse, by the obvious suffering of poor blacks during the aftermath of hurricane Katrina) and has become involved in various money-making schemes that would make the Grant Administration look like pikers.

That having been said, there is more to say on the October Surprise.

Every week, three members of the Israeli Mossad go to the CIA headquarters at Langley and there meet with senior CIA officials. During these weekly meetings, mutual needs, requirements and demands are presented by the Mossad to the CIA. Parenthetically, we should note that Israel flies a number of top CIA officials to have a yearly very expensive vacation in Israel. First class accommodations by El Al airline, 5 star hotel accommodations, expensive gifts and the whole nine yards are part and parcel of this agape.

Israel pressed their neocons to induce the Bush people to invade Iraq because Saddam was considered to be a major enemy. Don't forget that during Operation Desert Storm, Saddam launched SCUD missiles at Israel which landed on their targets, completely unimpeded by the utterly useless PATRIOT US counter-missiles. This program of getting a befuddled President to pull Israel's chestnuts out of the fire workedbut only for Israel.

Now, Israel views Iran's atomic program, coupled with an aggressive President, as another disaster in the making. Rather than launch air attacks against suspected research/weapons sites in Iran, they have been pressing Bush and his people to do this for them.

Although there was eager compliance in the matter of the Iraqi attack, now, there is strong and growing resistance to such adventures not only from Republicans in Congress but from the Pentagon as well.

The U.S. White House has put up another scenario, one which Israel is not happy with but Bush certainly is.

This plan, which has been, and is being, discussed in various highly secret forums, deals with an atomic "incident" somewhere in the United States. The usual targets do not include either Washington or New York because of the immediate damage this would do to our governance and economy. Miami was not on the table because of its large Jewish population.

U.S. military and political advisors have put forward either the PRC or North Korea as targets, something not to the Israeli's likings as it would not address their enemies in Iran.

An incident on the West Coast could supply the motivation for the U.S. to choose between some kind of an attack on China or North Korea, the latter being primary.

Seattle as a target was ruled out because of the U.S. Navy presence there and San Diego also because it is a vital port for shipments from Asia.

That leaves San Francisco/Oakland as another major target. This used to be a major trade port and U.S. Naval and Army presence was heavy but now that the Presidio, Mare Island, Hunters Point and other bases have closed, damage in this area would not be as great as it might be elsewhere.

Someone I know in the CIA who is slated to be fired and whose friends have already been sacked by the idiot Goss has been discussing all of this with myself and others.

The President wants to leave office, or be allowed to reign forever, as a military hero; the Republicans want to keep their iron grip (now slipping badly) on the levers of national power and the neo cons want to please their masters in Israel. The latter has no problem with any of this but wants Iran knocked out and has no interest whatsoever in giving us a casus belli to attack North Korea.

In the end, nothing may come of all this horrible chatter but it shows, to me and a few of my associates at least, the type of rabid hyenas we have in the pilot's seat.

The problem with all of this plotting is that some will certainly talk (leaks in Washington at the highest levels are a daily occurrence these days) so the reprise of the game wherein Israeli agents had penetrated the Arab groups that attacked the WTC and Pentagon, knew all about the exact date of the attack and duly notified the Bush people at the highest level. is not possible. In that case, we all had plausible deniability but in this case, someone would blab and that would be the permanent end of Bush and his claque. But remember, while planning for such ruthless atrocities to maintain power is one thing, putting these plans into operation is quite another.

In the end, however it shows very clearly what we are dealing with."



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