Oprah still sucks, although a little bit of improvement
Disclaimer: I don't usually watch Oprah or have much/any respect for her. I don't endorse the watching of Oprah on a regular basis. I only watch certain select episodes to find out where idiot America "is".
So today Oprah did a show about class. Nothing new or shocking to us, but I am sure to a lot of idiot america they will be shocked to learn that the rich/poor divide is growing (no really!).
Anyway why as usual it sucked. Some stupid white man proclaiming Oprah as some symbol to be admired. Oprah stating that she believes in the American dream, you know the one where you are a fake empty asshole and think you look really cool being one while I laugh my ass of at you. And then the blatant obvious lie that success and being a good person is making a lot of money. Oh, bull you choose between being a greedy self centered rich asshole (live davybaby for those who know that looser from the blog/joke called kos) or actually being like citisucks and helping people (and society)and making less money a year than you owe in student loans. But I don't care because guess what, I am not a self centered asshole like davybaby.
But anyway, if the stupid white man and stupid Oprah wasn't enough. The rich white people were disproportionality shown and even more so disproprotionality given opportunities to speak on camera. In other disproprotionates, they were also disproportionally stupid and annoying. They can all kiss ass, but I am sure they won't due this until the revolution when I hold up a pair of scissors to their 200 dollar jeans made by some 12 year old paid 2 dollars a day.
The little bit of improvement basically focuses around 3 adults and 1 child, although if you are a rich white monster it only focused around 1 person because the 2 black adults and 1 black child don't exist to you. First off to piss of all you rich white people one cool person was James (a black man). James told it like it is. I forgot exactly what he said but he called rich people out on the scum they are.
The second was a black man and his child. Of course the stupid rich*&^%% at Oprah didn't even think it was worth mentioning his name. He was asked do you believe in American dream and stated "Hell No". By giving this response he showed he was smarter than any of the rich people on the show. The thing about rich white people is they go to their prestigious colleges and they are still as dumb as ever. Admit it you dumb ass rich people, the people you look down on are far smarter than you. He also showed his child who was being impacted by the corporate terrorist takeover of their government subsidized housing that was being turned into condos.
Third they showed Ralph Nadar. They hardly even let him say enough to make it worthwhile, but just showing that their are alternatives to the 2 good old boy's clubs makes it worth it in my eyes. I wonder how all the good old boy's at kos are going to react when they see Ralph Nadar a true liberal, on their beloved idol of sell out SUV "liberalism's" show.
Improvement is always a good sign though, it shows people are starting to wake-up.
posted by Citisucks @ Friday, April 21, 2006
18 Comments:
Hey, was this episode today?
I don't watch Oprah. I see enough of her on the magazine rack at the supermarket, while I pay for groceries.
It's sad that people are so attached to the personalities on their tvs. This world would be a whole lot kinder, if people realized that WE are the ones who make these personalities special.
Arrogance is a curse on humanity. It should be shunned, not applauded.
Wait, I am sorry...
"Good old boys like kos."
Sorry, but dailykos is NOT a "good old boys" sort of place. I would call it pretty progressive, actually. I don't always agree with everything on the main page, but they fight the good fight. Even if you hate them...they ARE NOT "good old boys." They are hardly a massive institution. I mean, they are considered "fringe" at this point in time, in terms of their influence. How is that "good old boys????"
I get that you dislike certain people on DKos. That doesn't mean that the community as a whole is as you say it is. I am bored with the place at the moment, as they discuss bland electoral politics, but I have learned some pretty important things through that site. The site champions Randi Rhodes for godsakes...how is it "good old boys"????
Yes, good old boy's. Davybaby compared all woman to Ann Coulter and yet somehow they ban me from posting? Like all Democraps they are willing to sell out every progressive it means pleasing one kinda repug voter. But even if their goal is to recruit Democraps it is a total joke. By behaving like jerks and assholes they run more people away from the Democrap party than they attract to it. In fact, they ran me out of the Democrap party and I am proud to say I am now a hardcore green who will never again vote for a Democrap. That is when I realized the truth: that there are two good old boys clubs. Just look at the following: http://www.therealdifference.org/print.html
Where do you stand? Who shares your values?
So I guess you could say in a way I like kos because they are good for the Green Party and other real progressive parites and groups such as the Black Panthers.
I think it can be frustrating to go Green because it would mean starting from stratch and it means acknowledging that we have failed to put anyone worthwhile in Congress. Come on miss r, you know your one of us! Join the Green's and Help enact change.
Revolution,
Citisucks
Qrswave,
This episode was today. I don't like Oprah, but I just had to watch just to see how bad and ignorant it would be.
While I still haven't hit the send key one more daily kos though. I believe at some point they were quoting Larry Sabato on the front page in a positive lite. This was the same asshat professor who banned by favorite teaching assistant in undergraduate school. This teaching assistant was the first person to teach me about the rich/poor divide. But that is the kind of people they idealize there, people who coverup and sellout when it comes to the truth.
Citisucks.
I have not had the same experience with Daily Kos.
I also do NOT endorse the Black Panthers, a terrorist group.
Nonetheless even accepting your reality, Daily Kos does NOT have the influence you say it has. It may in the future, but it does not right now. In order to be a "good old boy," you have to actually have the influence of a good old boy!
I also wholly dispute the notion that there is no Democrat who is worthwhile in Congress. I spent time going through many Dems who in fact are progressive and stand up for what I believe in.
You are simply utterly wrong. There are problems with the Democrat party, to be sure. There are problems with the the DLC in particular. But there are many Dems who stand up for progressive politics, and it is a mistake to cast them all away.
I did vote Green before, and I vote Green when there is a good candidate, but I am not joining a fringe party that has no chance in hell of winning anytime soon, when there are good values to be had within the Democratic party. I should know - I have relatives who are active in the party and have attended Dem functions. There are many good Democrats out there.
I also disagree with some of the Green Party stances.
I think Kosovo was a good war - to prevent genocide. I support Israel. I also dispute many of the stances of Bill Clinton as "Democrat." He is emblematic of what is wrong with the Democratic party. He is "Republican lite." However, there are many Dems who actually stand for something. I opposed Bill for reasons that had nothing to do with his getting a blow job.
Well, I am glad to here that you do vote for the Green Party sometimes. The problem is that if everybody keeps repeating the lie that the Green Party has no chance and selling out to the Democraps, then the Green Party won't have a chance. But if people accept the lies about the Green Party having no chance as lies, than the Green Party will have a chance and in some areas especially when it comes to the house easily win. This is of course if we stop having fraudulent elections.
What both the Green Party and Black Panther Party (http://www.blackpanther.org/TenPoint.htm) stand for has been extremely twisted. I encourage you to go to the blank panther website. There issues match thoses of real progressives probably even better than the Green Party. I have heard Bobby Seale speak-he is not a terrorist, he is a hero. He is a victim of the rich white people who label any dark skinned person who opposses them a terrorist.
As I stated previously I was at one time a Democrap. I bought the lies. But what I ultimately came to realize is that their are ultimately just as many lies floating around the Democratic party and their are floating around the Republican party. I have come to learn that what the Republicans say about the Democrats is true and what the Democrats say about the Republicans is also true.
The bottom line is though without a Green Party for progressive liberal choice I would not even waste the gas/bus fare and my time to go vote.
However, I can not and will not support a party that would allow one of its members to compare all woman to Ann Coulter.
Citisucks,
Your quote makes no sense.
However, I can not and will not support a party that would allow one of its members to compare all woman to Ann Coulter.
The Democratic party does not have control over a single poster on a website. One poster, DavyBoy, does not speak for the entire Democratic party!
Mighty Thor is a hater and wannabe mass murderer who happens to think the monetary system in America is fucked. By your logic, because he coicidently believes something you believe, your belief should not be supported.
Loons will coincidently support anything. It doesn't mean the underlying belief system is wrong. Democrats have not endorsed DavyBoy for political office - he is just one man. One very misguided and wrong man, but one man, nonetheless.
But daily kos banned me from posting because davybaby ( a good old boy) didn't like me and yet they endorse davybaby in continuing to most comments stating that all women are like Ann Coulter. I'm not basing this solely on davybaby's comments, I am basing this more so on the administrators endorsment of such comments as that. Why would I waste my time with the Democrap party that doesn't even think that I deserve a voice and is to Dim to figure out that me and qrswave aren't the same person?
Citisucks,
Why would they think you and QRS are the same person?
And Daily Kos is not the "Democratic Party" - they do not have enough influence to be "good old boys," as I have repeatedly said. Also, what you said occurred doesn't prove that DavyBoy is necessarily emblematic of the party.
That all said, if the Greens put forward a candidate worth voting for, I am willing to consider them.
I wholeheartedly agree with Miss r, issues should not be blurred. People do not agree on everything. Guilt by association with someone misguided is never helpful.
Having said that, banning citisucks from the site and allowing him to remain does demonstrate their endorsement of his views over hers, so much so that they would silence her.
And I wonder why they would silence her. What are they afraid of? If her views are so whacky, then no one will listen. Their behavior betrays their fear of its force.
Also, there is a critical issue - central to a functioning democracy and free market - that is non-negotiable. That issue is the federal reserve system - it must be abolished or nationalized and monetary reform is crucial.
Any candidate that does not recognize that as crucial does not represent the people, but indeed represents the banks.
And citisucks, you're right: "what the Republicans say about the Democrats is true and what the Democrats say about the Republicans is also true." This is why each is so effective at distracting well meaning people - they give them some truth to believe in, but together (repubs and dems) protect the most egregious lie.
Why would they think qrswave and I are the same person? I have no idea-all they would have to have done is check the ISP(?) addresses or whatever it is called to find out that we are not the same person. Basically though I can only assume that it had nothing to do with that and more of that they wanted to get rid of me, because they know deep down that Democrap=Repug/Rethug and that if I exposed that truth people would leave their fake opposition party.
It hasn't just been davybaby that has shown me the anti-female good old boy's side of the Democrap party. HID called me a whore, a term used to degrade females. And as qrswave said by banning me and allowing davybaby and HID to stay they have shown who they really support and what they really are. Kos has also stated that it is a Democrap website. I will not support, vote for, or be a member of a party that denies me my voice, verbally abuses me, and states that don't even want me as a member. This is where the Republicans are so correct about the Democrats when they call them Dims. They cuss you out, deny you a voice, tell you to go join red state or free repubic, and then say oh by the way your still going to vote for us right???
What exactly did you say? Did you say "America had it coming on 9/11?"
You have yet to say what you said that caused such a reaction.
I do not advocate censorship, but I do know that Kos's fear is that the Democratic party will be seen as far left, and he wants to attract moderates to the party. I do not believe in censorship, BUT, it is his privately owned website, and so if he decides he wants a certain perspective on there, it is certainly within the law for him to decide that.
Again - let me reiterate - that was merely a legal defense of Kos, not an ethical one. I have no idea what you wrote.
Let me give you an example of who QRS would be perfectly within her writes to ban. Unmighty Thor is advocating the destruction of all Jews, and for America to be a White Christian, hate-ful country. If she banned him from speaking, she would NOT be violating the first amendment, as she is not a government body, and private entities have the right to ban such speech.
I do not know what you said. I will not say you said anything close to what Thor said. But if you stated something along the lines of "America had it coming on 9/11," then I can understand why Kos, someone who is hoping to expand the base of the Democratic party, would be fearful that your voice would be conflated with THE voice of the party.
Again, I am not saying you said that America had it coming on 9/11. What did you say?
I said a lot of things on daily kos, if you want to know what I wrote there you can check my profile. But I feel no need to defend myself as I am a victim of the stupid Democrap anti-speech nazi's over there.
If kos wants to attrach "moderates" to the Democrap party and kick out all the real progressives, then he should not expect any of the real progressives to stay or vote for Democraps. This is why kos is a Dim, he will attempt to attract one former repug and loose 10 former democraps doing it and calls this progress. If they want to be a moderate party full of blathering rich white good old boys they can count be out of that party and they can't count a lot of other people out of that party as well. This is why the green party is constantly gaining momentum.
Yes, America espeically the corporate terrorists did have it coming. Through corporate terrorism and greed, they have cheated millions of children and there parents out of basic needs such as food, clean water, and medical needs causing there deaths. All so they could have a little extra money.
Citisucks,
That is a complete exaggeration as to the ills that America or corporations have caused in the world.
As I stated before, corporations and America would not be able to accomplish anything without the complicity of local governments.
As far as whether those in the WTC "had it coming," which you just said they did...well...if that is what you said, I can understand why Kos would not want you to represent the voice of DailyKos - which is NOT the Democratic party, and which in fact is fighting for a voice WITHIN the Democratic party.
It is not "anti free speech" to not want you to represent the voice of Daily Kos - the site is privately owned and is free to air the voices it wants to air. Anti free speech would entail trying to shut you up in general. You are free to say what you want on other sites - as you do.
Anyway, you still did not answer the question. WHAT did you say? I searched "citisucks" on Daily Kos and did not come up with anything. Please tell me exactly what comments were at issue.
My user name over there is tri. I have no *&^*(* clue what comments were at issue as the demonazi's never told me what comments were at issue, nor responded to my reply when I asked them. But's its there loss though because I am a hardworker and now instead of working hard for them, I will be working hard for the Green Party.
If you would like more info I suggest my new blog: http://progressivesagainstdemocrats.blogspot.com
Citisucks,
I have searched for comments from tri, and I have found reasons why Daily Kos (which is NOT the Democratic party) would seek to exclude you from posting.
You have repeatedly stated that the WTC was planned by Bush and faked. You and QRS have said vitriolic things about Israel, without much proof backing anything up.
Daily Kos wants to have credibility within the Democratic party. You and QRS, frankly, discredit the Democratic party, and as a private entity, Daily Kos is free to ban who it wants.
Given your extremist views, I do not see you as in any way helpful or to be desired within the Democratic party. In fact, Democrats are better off without those who engage in disinfo, if they hope to reach out to new voters.
What new voters? Everyone I know is leaving the Democraps and going Green!
I always get a good laugh when I see the posts about how the Democraps are going to win on the recommended list. What tinfoil, do they even look at the statistics, which show they will likely win, one and only one Senate seat?
P.S. trying telling lando that daily kos is not the Democrap party. I dare you.
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