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San Diego: Crucified in Court for Erecting A Cross

The city of San Diego could erect a giant statue in memory of say, Adam Smith or The Beach Boys. But, if it tries to erect a cross in memory of the religious figure of greatest importance to a majority of its residents, it'll get flogged - at $5000 a day. And they call it religious freedom.
After a 17-year legal battle between the city and a self-described atheist, a judge has ordered San Diego officials to remove a giant cross from a hilltop park or start paying $5,000 a day in fines.

Defying the order is something cash-strapped San Diego can ill afford. Its pension fund is more than $1 billion in debt, the federal government is investigating, and there's been talk of bankruptcy.
Boy, they really know how to torture a city.
U.S. District Judge Gordon Thompson Jr. on Wednesday gave the city 90 days to comply with a 1991 injunction forbidding the cross on public property.

"It is now time, and perhaps long overdue," the judge wrote.

The 29-foot-high cross was dedicated as a memorial to Korean War veterans in 1954 on a hilltop that towers over seaside La Jolla.

Philip Paulson, an atheist and Vietnam veteran, has been challenging its placement on city-owned parkland since 1989. He declined comment on the ruling Wednesday, but his attorney, James McElroy, said he hoped city officials would finally back down.
I don't know the figures. But, I am absolutely certain that the majority of soldiers that died in that war were Christian. So, why deprive the city's residents an opportunity to honor their memory the way they see fit? Because a handful of people 'feel left out' by the majority? That's not freedom. That's minority dictatorship. And it's bound to cause far more resentment than majority rule - even if majority rule is not ideal.

The city has tried to sell the half-acre beneath the cross to a nonprofit association that maintains the surrounding memorial walls. But federal judges have repeatedly blocked the sale, saying the transactions were designed to favor a buyer who would keep the cross in place. The U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear the city's appeal in 2003.

This is akin to saying it's okay for a Jew or an Atheist or a Muslim, any of whom might take down the cross, to buy the land. But, it's not okay for a Christian, who is likely to keep it in place, to buy it. That's religious discrimination - there's NO WAY around that logical conclusion.

I've taken Religion and the Constitution in law school and the Establishment clause cases are a hopeless array of hodge podge decisions that don't even come close to being principled. This is simply because it is IMPOSSIBLE to have your cake and eat it, too.

To be clear, I'm not saying that the Establishment clause can never be applied. It can and should be applied, but not in this extreme and absolutist manner. The notion that there can be an absolute separation between religion and state may sound equitable and fair IN THEORY, but it can only be implemented through a DICTATORIAL policy of oppression. It's a classic case of be careful what you wish for.
A city-sponsored referendum asking permission from residents to sell the property failed in 2004. The next year, 75 percent of the voters approved a referendum to transfer the land to the federal government, but a Superior Court judge ruled that measure to be an "unconstitutional aid to religion." The ruling has been appealed.

I'll agree with them on that one. Transferring the land to the federal government would be like paying tribute to Mammon.

For the record - I am Muslim.


At Saturday, May 06, 2006, Anonymous Mighty Thor said...

Nature Of Judaic Christo-Phobia: Deadly Cultural Antithesis
(Mighty Thor, 6 May 06)

Jews working through ACLU want to de-establish Christianity much as possible leaving only Jew-compatible "Christians," like "Judeo-Christians" (JCs), as led by Jew shills and mouth-pieces like Falwell, Robertson, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, et al.

Reason Jews hate Christianity is obvious: Christianity comemmorates an objective reality ("God-given") which serves as standard for truth. Jews insist whatever they say is truth and necessary standard for any other truth (SUBJECTIVISM).

American legal-religious tradition follows fm England's whence an establishment church persecuted dissidents which Americans sought to prevent by preventing an official establishment at Fed. national gov. level.

But now as we enter the "New Jerusalem" age in American history and Spenglerian "Decline of the West," we see Jews (and gentile co-conspirators) dominant for subjectivism now explicitly controlling a degenerate gentile culture. Thus fraud and conspiracy naturally thrive within such subjectivistic, hedonist, Mammonist heretical cultural, mental, psychologic circumstances.

Thus Jews conspire furiously, intensively, and so successfully as gentile dupes and degenerates allow themselves to be lulled and diverted by MAMMON, built upon heresy and hubris, so tragic.

CONCLUSION: Christianity was once before in history the vehicle and cultural symbol which defeated Judaism, as back in 4th cent. Roman Empire and St. Constantine the Great. Jews are desperate to see Christianity does not betray them once again. Little do these Jews know they defy God, reality, truth, and human hence reason itself, Christianity a mere aesthetic. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Thor

At Saturday, May 06, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

From what I understand, and I am no historian, but Christians also butchered a vast number of Muslims in the Holy Land for no reason at all.

At Saturday, May 06, 2006, Anonymous Mighty Thor said...

Heed To Antisemitic Fundamental, Not Distractions
(Mighty Thor, 6 May 06)

But what's ur point, qrswave? U seem to think u have luxury to choose to side with oligarchs and Jews against us Christians, the native people of this land--u don't. U can choose, yes, but not have luxury.

Funny thing is u pretend to being American (presumably) when American necessarily implies Christian--whether u pretend it's true or not. Subjectivism manifests in strange ways sometimes, the human tragedy--in this case clouding ur otherwise keen analysis so pathetically.

Regardless of those, historically, calling themselves Christian "butchering" Muslims, the significance for present cultural situation in USA is (white Christian) OBJECTIVE VS. SUBJECTIVE (Jew and conspiratorial accomplices). How can u deny this basic, metaphysical conflict?

CONCLUSION: This philosophical issue (objective vs. subjective) is what then underlies the Judaic attempts to expunge Christianity--u seem to underestimate and mis-interpret the real, and truly deep implications with ur too superficial observations, including historical. Christian-Moslem at least share a common objective reality given by God--ABSOLUTELY ANTITHETICAL TO THE JUDAIC. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Thor

At Sunday, May 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait a second buddy..U.S.A. is the leader of the free world,the west, which became free because it "freed" itself from all the religious restraints that the church had on the human mind. The fact that there is a significant number of self proclaimed followers of a certain religion, in this case christianity, who reside in USA does not make this country does not make this country exclusively christian. Because if this became the case or had been the case, then we will be back 300-400 years ago!. This country's ideas and principles are not something that is exclusively "American" as some narrow minded right winger christians think. These are the same principles that all the west and every rational civilized person in any country share. Because this is the ultimate product of the human mind. Religion failed and will fail again and again .The only reason why someone like you enjoy praying in a church or a muslim like qrswave pray in a mosque on american land is because a bunch of athiest liberal democratic free thinkers philosophers in europe 300 years like Roussou and Voltaire and Kant contributed so much to the Enlightment and formulated the basis of what will become the french revolution and the American founding fathers ideas. If you wanna see what religion do to a country, please go back in time 800 years ago and enlist in a crusader army to butcher your fellow christians from a different sect or just move to Saudi arabia

At Sunday, May 07, 2006, Anonymous romunov said...

I must be missing something, but how does "separation of church and state" fit into this one?

At Sunday, May 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon at 12:49 pm:

YOU SAID IT! I was thinking the same thing.

QRS is off her rocker if she somehow thinks that this does not implicate the seperation of church and state. I find this amusing, because she is a Muslim and enjoys the benefits that the "heathen ACLU" has procured to her through their tireless fight for freedom of religion.

A big giant cross on PUBLIC PROPERTY? I would say that DEFINITELY implicates the seperation of church and state.

What is funny is that the founding fathers were enlightenment thinkers who actually were deists - not Christians. They would be rolling over in their graves if they saw what America has become.

Thor clearly wants to live in a nation more akin to Saudi Arabia than to America. America was founded on the notions of religious pluralism and acceptance. If he wants to preach his hate - feel free to move! No one's stopping him! And I have news for you - NO ONE WILL MISS HIM WHEN HE LEAVES.

As a side note, I find the name "Thor" to be rather comical. It originally had a norse implication, but since has taken on the popular culture meaning associated with the Marvel comics -written by Stan Lee (Jew), and Larry Leiber. (Jew)


At Sunday, May 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me add that the name "Mighty Thor" exclusively is linked to the comic named "Mighty Thor," which is penned by Jews.

I find this very comical, as it merely demonstrates the depths of Thor's ignorance. He calls himself a name that was dreamed up by a team of Jews! You have to admit it is quite amusing.

This only demonstrates how his hatred and sheer lack of knowledge or common sense is itself seeped in utter stupidity.

At Sunday, May 07, 2006, Anonymous Mighty Thor said...

Internet Crushes Jews Again:
Jews Rear Head W. Typical Disinfo
(Mighty Thor, 7 May 06)

Thanks for commentary fm stupid Jews--note u have facts miserably wrong (as usual): AMERICAN FOUNDERS WERE CHRISTIANS indubitably, and record verifies, though I have no specific cites at moment. Only "deist" I know was Tom Paine who wasn't actually too significant. Franklin was noted "freethinker"--but he wasn't anti-Christ, and would have deplored the Jew ACLU.

All the rest of American founders were strong Christians, like Jefferson, Washington, and Madison.

"Anon" at 12:49, US rebelled fm mercantilist English empire (NOT religion) swarming w. Jews who were let back into England by Cromwell who was encouraged to engage Dutch Navy for empire in East.

This USA is Christian country built by Christians for Christians according to Christian US Constitution--and it means Christian security for this nation and people above all others, including non-Christians, esp. Jews (anti-Christs and liars) who really must be deported, disfranchised, and totally confiscated, without a doubt, enemies of humanity according to their own Talmud. (See Michael A Hoffman II's "Judaism's Strange Gods.")

Note "hatred" of Jews is yet quite rational, Jews anti-Christs, collectivists, conspirators, hysterics, narcissists, frauds, criminals, etc.

American political philosophy follows John Locke, Montesquieu, and suchlike rationalists who analyzed English history esp. fm English Civil War period of 1640's.

CONCLUSION: Jews have always been deplored and hated quite justifiably by all gentile peoples especially in their more rationalist periods whence Jew frauds, criminals, and "bankers" were deported and banished. Jews are best exposited by Jew Bernard Lazare in his "Antisemitism" published in 1894. And sorry about stealing the "Thor" moniker, so sue me, Judaic puke. The mighty InterNet Crushes u lying Jew scum yet again, eh? Honest elections and death to the Fed. Thor


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