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Popular Mechanics crank can't admit defeat

What a loser.

Rather than admit that he's wrong and we're right, the man who thinks he 'debunked' the Truth, with his empty commentary in Popular Mechanics last year, wails and whines about being compared to a Nazi.

ON Feb. 7, 2005, I became a member of the Bush/ Halliburton/ Zionist/ CIA/ New World Order/ Illuminati conspiracy for world domination. That day, Popular Mechanics, the magazine I edit, hit newsstands with a story debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories. Within hours, the online community of 9/11 conspiracy buffs - which calls itself the "9/11 Truth Movement" - was aflame with wild fantasies about me, my staff and the article we had published. Conspiracy Web sites labeled Popular Mechanics a "CIA front organization" and compared us to Nazis and war criminals.

For a 104-year-old magazine about science, technology, home improvement and car maintenance, this was pretty extreme stuff.

Boo-hoo. Where's the beef? There is none.

Unable to admit that he was discredited because his piece lacked substance, he wants readers to believe that he was persecuted because he conducted 'research.' The man is in absolute denial and suffers from paranoid delusions. Instead of accepting the fact that 9/11 Truth theories are now mainstream, he insists we 'inflitrated the mainstream' as if through some voo-doo powers and not simply through logic and reason.

"Conspiracy theorists want to pick and choose which facts to believe," he cries. Yeah, so what? Judges do it all the time. Witnesses present evidence, the Judge decides which facts to believe and which to discard as incredible.

Then he has the nerve to characterize the mickey mouse evidence upon which the official version relies as 'a huge preponderance of evidence' and the glaring gaps that could fit a herd of elephants as 'a small handful of anomolies.' What a joke.

These anomalies include the claim that the hole in the Pentagon was too small to have been made by a commercial jet (but just right for a cruise missile); that the Twin Towers were too robustly built to have been destroyed by the jet impacts and fires (so they must have been felled by explosives), and more. If true, these and similar assertions would cast serious doubt on the mainstream account of 9/11.

"But they're not true," he cries. And to prove it, he attacks two inconsequential quotes, which even if false, only discredit the quotes, not necessarily the underlying facts. More importantly, he doesn't come any where near the gaping holes and impossibilities in the official story that prove it's a LIE.
The American public has every right to ask hard questions about 9/11. And informed skepticism about government and media can be healthy. But skepticism needs to be based on facts, not fallacies. Unfortunately, for all too many, conspiratorial fantasies offer a seductive alternative to grappling with the hard realities of a post-9/11 world.
I couldn't agree more - the most seductive (and absurd) of which is the conspiracy theory that 19 hijackers with box-cutters collapsed three colossal buildings into their footprints by hitting them with two planes.

Give it up, Meigs - like it or not, the Truth will prevail.


At Wednesday, September 13, 2006, Blogger The Great Revealer said...

This article on rense.com is a little (quite) long, but it is VERY ARTICULATE, and definitely worth saving into your collection, should the situation that some Zionist Parrot wants to debate with you. It's an excellent review of the EVIDENCE and background of the attack. Enjoy!


Who Did 911 - OBL, Bush
Or Mossad? The Evidence
By Nashid Abdul-Khaaliq

Another year has passed by since the September 11, 2001 attacks on the U.S. What has been gradually happening is that more and more the initial mainstream media version of what happened on that gruesome day is proving to be less true. Increasing credible and respected people such as scientists, ex-governmental officials, religious leaders, journalists and others are PUBLICLY coming out with information that refutes the mainstream media version of events. What is more interesting is that besides being called "kooks" and the information presented being called "conspiracy theories", the substance of the new information debunking mainstream media is going unchallenged! The new information about 911 and the ones presenting it are being called all kinds of names but the information being presented is not being challenged or proven in anyway to be false.

Furthermore, after all these years after 911 the FBI has not uncovered any Al Qaeda cells in the United States nor has it found any paper trail. Although thousands of Muslims have been arrested not one has been convicted of acts of terrorism. The London Times reported the following one year after 911 and it is still true today:

"Thousands of FBI agents have rounded up more than 1,300 suspects across America since September 11, but they have failed to find a single Al-Qaeda cell operating in the United States...Tom Ridge, Director of Homeland Security could not explain why none had been caught."

Curiously though, according to FOX news, throughout late 2000 and 2001, a total of 200 Israeli spies were arrested. It was the largest spy ring to be uncovered in the history of the US. The Washington Post also reported that some of these Israelis were arrested in connection with the 9-11 investigation. Carl Cameron of FOX News Channel did an excellent four part, nationally televised, series of investigations into this blockbuster scandal. But FOX pulled the investigative series after Zionist groups complained to FOX executives. FOX even went so far as to remove the written transcripts of the series from its website.

The question that each individual needs to answer is what should we do as thinking, rational and reasonable people? Should we give into the herd mentality and continue to blindly believe the mainstream media version of events or should we act like truly reasonable, rational and thinking people and examine the evidence on both sides in order to ascertain the truth? After all someone had to question and and break from the herd perception and look at evidence to ascertain that the world was not flat.

I have written this essay to present both views -- the mainstream media version that led us to believe that OBL and Al-Qaeda did 911 versus the version based on uncovering facts surrounding Israeli and American government involvement. I want you to objectively look at both and think deeply about what is being presented. Go to the links and investigate further. Then make a decision for yourself regarding which is more credible. You will find the facts I present to be unquestionably true but my comments biased. I hope that won't bother you. I am definitely of the opinion that it was Israelis along with corrupt elements in our government who were responsible for doing 911 as most of you reading this essay may believe about OBL and Al-Qaeda doing it.

1. The Mainstream Version

Let me share with you mainstream media "evidences" used to link 19 Arabs to doing 911. Besides this, there is the "so-called" proof that President Bush claim to have that was never shown to the American people but supposedly shown to Musharraf in Pakistan, who now publicly states that he has doubts. Here is a list of the evidences we were made to believe was sufficient proof linking OBL and Al-Qaeda to 911:


Like assailants who, in their preparations, leave tracks behind them like a herd of stampeding elephants?

The 911 hijackers made payments with credit cards with their own names; they reported to their flight instructors with their own names.

They left behind rented cars with flight manuals in Arabic for jumbo jets. They took with them, on their suicide trip, wills and farewell letters, which fall into the hands of the FBI, because they were stored in the wrong place and wrongly addressed.

Clues were left like behind like in a child's game of hide-and-seek, which were to be followed!

One writer wrote the following about the discovery of Mohammed Atta's passport for a domestic flight for which a passport was not necessary.

The Magic Passport Theory

We can now add Mohamed Atta's reality-defying passport to the Arlen Specter Gallery of Improbable Projectiles. This incriminating item was thrown intact from a cataclysmic fireball and miraculously plucked from 1.6 million tons of debris in a matter of hours. The corporate media rarely mention the unlikelihood of this. Many in the alternative press, though, are unafraid to draw an obvious, albeit taboo, inference: that the Atta passport is planted evidence. According to Washington, DC, peace activist John Judge, other potential plants include the Arabic-language flight manuals left in one of the hijackers' cars (with note: The discussion of the flight manuals begins at around 13:30). These manuals could serve no useful purpose at such a late stage unless the hijackers planned to finish learning how to fly during a half-hour ride to the airport. But as deliberately placed articles, they are as if a signed diary called "My Plan to Kill the President" had been unearthed in Lee Harvey Oswald's flat. Also high on the possible planted evidence list is a spiritual manifesto for the Al Qaeda kamikaze pilots, which, to journalist Robert Fisk, sounds an awful lot like it was written by a God-fearing Christian.

Wow!!! I guess somehow Mohammed Atta was able to open a window on the plane and throw out his passport at the right time so that it won't be destroyed as the plane's black boxes were. Such accuracy and precision to let the world know of his guilt is truly amazing.

Then there are the Bin Laden videos. How convenient! We happen to be living in a video-centric world. Most of what people are exposed to and believe comes from watching TV. How wonderful and convenient it must be to find out that Bin Laden left proof of his guilt on video for consumption by a video-centric world. I guess if we were living in a world where smoke signals was the primary means of communication we would have found the correct smoke signals left by Bin Laden to correctly identify him as the perpetrator of 911.

But alas the Bin Laden videos were proven to be fake! But our honest media that made such a big fuss about showing the false videos never went back and told the American public that they had shown the world fake videos. Nawww, they did not want to because it did not serve their purpose. Here is what some Professionals who examined the videos wrote about them:
Professor Gernot Rotter, scholar of Islamic and Arabic Studies, Asia-Africa Institute, University of Hamburg: "Regardless of the question if bin Laden personally was actively involved in the organization of the attacks or not: This tape is of such poor quality that many passages are unintelligible. And those that are intelligible have often been taken out of context, so that you can't use that as evidence. The American translators who listened to the tape and transcribed it obviously added things that they wanted to hear in many places. Things that can't be heard - never mind how often you listen to it.

"Guilty or not guilty? If the US government wants to find bin Laden guilty of the deed, they have to come up with better evidence.

"And look: the English translation that the US government presented to the world is not only manipulated in parts, but even contains mistakes. A report from Ekkehard Sieker and Georg Restle."

Dr. Abdel El M. Husseini, scholar in Arabic culture/language: "I carefully checked the Pentagon translation. The translation is very problematic. The passages that are the most important, the ones that are supposed to prove bin Laden's guilt, are not identical to the Arabic sound."


Never mind also that in Bin Laden's last interview for the BBC with Carol Valentine, he denounced the attacks and stated that he had nothing to do with the killing of innocent people on 911. But since this was a story that had to be read most people don't know about that because it did not come in the form of "smoke signals" -- sorry I mean videos. I elaborate more about this below.

All of what is stated above was reported in mainstream media as "evidences" linking the 19 Arabs to 911. This is what most people were told and from this type of evidence most people believe OBL and Al-Qaeda did 911. I welcome anyone reading this article who have more to go on than what was presented above that causes them to believe that 911 was done by OBL and 19 Arabs to please share it with us?

Now let's compare this to the mountain of evidence below implicating the Israelis and corrupt elements in our government. After doing so ask yourself seriously which is more believable. Again, I have references from main stream media sources to everything listed below. If you question anything please let me know and I will point you to the source.

2. Israelis and Corrupt Elements in the US Government Guilty Version

Here is a partial listing and involvement with events surrounding 911 that Israelis were involved with that no other country or organization in the world including the U.S. can match. Not only numerous but each involvement is quite significant in importance:

1. It was Israelis who were caught watching the WTC burn and crumble and celebrating it with joy. When the Lakers beat Sacramento for the NBA crown they celebrated. Why? Because their efforts were successful! The event, which was the championship game, they won. The Israelis, according to eye witnesses who saw them on top of the van were ecstatic. They were joyful and why you ask? Because of America's misery, America's lost and thousands of innocent lives perishing. But to the Israelis this was success. They were ecstatic with joy because they too won the championship game!

Even when these Israelis were in FBI custody they failed numerous lie detector tests. In fact they did not pass a single one.

To show that this joy was not local only to the 5 Israelis, look at what was said by and about their leaders:

Reactions from the Israeli side to the September attack:

Ehud Sprinzak, terrorism expert at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said "From the perspective of Israelis, it is the most important public relations act ever committed in our favor."

The attack "was good for the Israelis," "It is very good", said Benjamin Netanyahu...before he caught himself and amended his statement.

In an interview with Le Monde, Ami Ayalon, former Head of the Israeli Militia for Israel, stated: "Since September 11, our leaders have been euphoric."

The reason why the Israelis failed lie detector tests is because the truth that they could not admit was we planned this. We pulled it off. We successfully created a Pearl Harbor incident to get the stupid goyim fully in bed with us. And just like we did in the time of Christ we are going to do today. We will get our media fully in bed with us to blame someone else for the crime. Yeah we were caught in the Lavon Affair, USS Liberty, etc. But we are ready now. The stakes are too high.

2. It was Israelis whose van was stopped and maps and other paraphernalia were found leading the FBI to believe that they had definite involvement with 911.

3. It was the Israeli owner of the Moving van company that immediately shutdown his business, put his house up for sale and fled to Israel when his employees were caught. Aren't these drastic actions and shouldn't we want to know why the owner behaved that way?

4. It was Israelis who were caught spying on the US and lived in the same vicinity as the supposed "hijackers".

5. It was Israelis who were about 200 spies in a spy ring that Carl Cameron reported about in FOX News saying that government officials stated that they had "tie-ins" to 911. By the way this news was suppressed and the story taken off the Foxx News website. The people responsible for that were JINSA (the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs). JINSA President and CEO David Steinmann is also a director of CAMERA (Committee for Accurate Middle East Reporting in America), the group that actually staged the e-mail, fax, letter, and phone call mobilization that squeezed Fox TV, to the point that they removed the transcripts of the four Carl Cameron segments from their own web site. I wonder why these American Israelis were interested in doing such a thing?

The FOX series and other mainstream news media sources revealed that many of these Israelis were army veterans with electronics and explosives expertise. Many of them failed lie detector tests. Dr. Steven E. Jones, professor of physics at BYU and Kevin Ryan, former lab manager and scientist at Underwriters Labs -- the company that tested the steel used in the World Trade Center buildings, and fired Kevin Ryan when he went public with information about a cover-up ­ have shown conclusive proofs that the collapsed of the WTC buildings were due to thermite and explosives and NOT as a result of the planes crashing into them. Could it be that these scientists have uncovered in later years one of the real purposes for the Israeli spy network presence in the US in 2001?

6. It was Israelis who the following was reported about by U.S. government authorities when the Israeli spies were found: "An Israeli government spokesman reported a few days ago the news of arresting a number of Israelis by the US intelligence bodies in Florida. This might seem strange but what is more significant is the deliberate ignorance by the Israeli government of the reason for the arrests. The Israelis did not even mention the reason or the case for which their subjects were detained. The point is that a big quantity of the Anthrax germ was held with the Israelis when they were arrested. Moreover, the detainees had 15 charts of the New York Trade Center and eight charts of the Pentagon building which were attacked on September 11th. This is in addition to other six charts of the White House, which was among the would-be targets of the September 11th attacks. According to discreet US reports, the charts found with the Israelis had accurately drawn the Pentagon building and the World Trade Center and defined their geometric projections, as well as, precisely depicted the many floors. Further, some data included in the charts define the itineraries of civil passenger planes and their destinations!!!..."

7. It was Israelis who the Jerusalem Post on September 12, 2001 reported 4000 missing or expected to be dead as a result of doing business and working at the WTC on 911.

8. It was the Israeli general counsel Alon Pinkas who reported that out of the 4000 Israelis dead or missing actually only one was killed, a visitor. The statistics of this happening is IMPOSSIBLE. The only reason this could happen is if somehow Israelis were warned ahead of time about the planes crashing into the WTC. The natural question to ask is, are there any evidence of prior warnings of the impending WTC attacks given to anyone in the world? If there is let's narrow the list down to see if any warnings happen to be given to Israelis. Well it just so happens that there were prior warnings and the only people in the world to receive them were Israelis!!!!

9. It was Israelis who received Odigo warnings two hours before the planes struck the WTC buildings. This was reported both in the Ha'aertz and Washington Post newspapers. This is proof positive that someone who cares for the lives of Israelis knew that planes were going to be crashed into the WTC ahead of time and wanted to make sure Israelis were not killed. I am sure the identity of that person was not Bin laden. This succinctly explains why only one Israeli got killed on 911 although the number was expected to be as much as 4000.

10. It was Israelis who were armed with 9mm pistols, nine grenades, C-4 explosives, three detonators and 58 bullets and caught in Mexico in an attempt to blow the Mexican Congress up on October 10, 2001, one month after 911. Curiously these Israelis were found with Pakistani passports in their possession. The Israelis were booked for conspiracy to destroy a building by means of an explosive by the Mexican police. If they were successful in blowing up the Mexican Congress -- leaving the Pakistani passports where they could be found by the authorities -- would like 911, have been blamed on Muslim terrorists. They got caught red-handed here and only G-d knows how many other incidents innocent Muslims are being blamed for that were really done by Israelis.

11. Pakistani General Gul, who at one time was a close ally of the U.S. and a staunch supporter of Western values -- who could have blamed 911 on his Russian or Indian enemies -- instead chose to blame 911 on Israelis. This former director of the Pakistani Intelligence Service said un-categorically about 911 that "The Israeli Mossad and its American associates are the obvious culprits." Why did he just happen to also blame Israelis? Why didn't he blame India or Russia who were far worse enemies to Pakistan than Israelis? This was a man who was close to the American Secret Service leaders and their ally. How come he seems to know what Vreeland and other CIA operatives worldwide knew about 911?

12. The news about the impending attacks was known by even low ranking CIA agents like Delmart Vreeland. To prove it he wrote what was going to happen in August, 2001 in a sealed envelope while in prison in Canada and had his guards open the envelope on September 14th. Lo and behold he accurately predicted the attacks of 911. If he knew about this I am certain that many others in the CIA especially at higher levels knew about it also. As such this was a deliberate planned action set up to create a Pearl Harbor type event to cause the American government to take actions that the planners of this event wanted. With the complicity of the Israeli controlled news media the finger was solidly pointed on OBL, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. They did not allow any suspicion to be pointed anywhere else. How convenient!!!

As an example of the many reports throughout the world implicating Israeli involvement in 911, here is a partial text of one from Canada's Stern-Intel on September 17, 2001:

"A US military intelligence source revealed details of an internal intelligence memo that points to the Israeli Mossad intelligence service having links to the World Trade Centre and Pentagon attacks."

13. A report from the German external intelligence agency, the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND) states the following: German intelligence detected plans for an attack on the United States, to take place on September 10 or 11, 2001. Israel was aware of the plans and wished the attack to take place without hindrance. The German ambassador informed the President of the US of the impending attacks. He thanked the ambassador and said that he already knew. Subsequently, his administration urgently requested the suppression of information on this warning.

14. The U.S. Army School for Advanced Military Studies (SAMS), wrote this about the Israeli Mossad which was reported about on September 10, 2001 one day before 911:

"Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act."

BINGO! The very next day an "Arab act" took place against the U.S. and no suspicion or investigation was done based on this credible report from SAMS. As I said the finger was so firmly pointed against Bin Laden that even intelligent people were so suffocated by the Israeli controlled press that no other questions were entertained.

15. It was a Zionist owned company, Metals Management, and a life time Zionist Mayor of N.Y. who was responsible for so quickly removing the steel evidence from the WTC such that no investigation could be done on whether or not the WTC steel beams melted from heat or due to bombs going off that caused the WTC to crash. Dr. Frederick W. Mowrer from the Fire Engineering department at the University of Maryland told the New York Times: "I find the speed with which important evidence has been removed and recycled to be appalling."

16. Although the planes used to crash into the WTC could have flown from La Guardia, Kennedy, or some nearer airport, they chose to fly from Boston's Logan airport which was much further away from the WTC. Doing this lengthened the time to the destination making it easier for NORAD to intercept the planes. Why this was done? It was because an Israeli company, ICTS International, controlled airport security at Boston Logan airport.

17. An abnormal amount of put stock options were purchased against United and American Airlines right before 911. Gee whiz I wonder why British Airways, Southwest Airlines, Continental or other Airlines did not have abnormally large amounts of put stock options purchases also? Why did it just so happen to be from the two airlines that were involved with the 911 incident? It was reported that many Israelis and even an ex-CIA director from Deutsche bank made huge profits on the purchase. One person made as much as $2,500,000.00 on the deal and when last reported did not come to pick up his money. How did all these people know that American and United Airlines stocks will drop so dramatically in value the next day???

Not only airline stocks but according to the Barnes Review, " Between August 26 and September 11, 2001, a group of speculators, identified by the American Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) as Israeli citizens, sold "short" a list of 38 stocks that could reasonably be expected to fall in value as a result of the pending attacks. These speculators operated out of the Toronto, Canada and Frankfurt, Germany, stock exchanges and their profits were specifically stated to be "in the millions of dollars."


I ask the same question as Michael Shore does in the following paragraph, Why? Also why did this story just drop from the media and no follow up was done? Another example of the media in cahoots with the planners of 911 to deflect attention from the obvious and keep the Americans firmly fixated on OBL/Al-Qaeda as the only possibility for 911.

"It would seem easy enough for the FBI and CIA to go to the stockbrokers where these trades were made and find out who made them. This is probably the closest link that can be established to someone who was involved in 911 but neither the FBI nor CIA is, apparently, pursuing this. Why?"

18. When Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hizbollah and other Palestinian groups commit acts of freedom against the brutal Israeli regime, no matter how small the numbers they kill of the enemy they take responsibility for it. That has been their pattern for a long time. Now the largest attack killing the most amount of "the enemy" Americans, instead of OBL boasting about it and even cheering like the Israelis did at the WTC he said the following: "I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks....The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. "


This is quite significant because as successful as this act was it would have been something for OBL to boast about but instead he condemns it and distances himself from it. Very unlikely behavior for someone guilty and who would normally gloat at such a major accomplishment. The U.S. government claimed that it had proof which they never showed any of us. They claimed that they showed it to the Pakistani President but he also came out with a statement claiming that he believes that there is no way that OBL could have pulled off 911 alone. What happened to the proof?

19. Financially it was Israelis who profited handsomely from the destruction of the WTC. Larry Silverstein, a Zionist Jew whose company acquired the 99 year lease for the WTC got an insurance payment for more than 4.6 billion dollars for 2 attacks on the WTC on 911. Incidentally he acquired the lease 6 months before the 911 attacks and just "happened" to fully insure it against terrorist attacks.

Another Israeli by the name of Frank Lowy, chairman and founder of Westfield Holdings, had recently acquired the 99-year lease for the 425,000 square foot retail portion of World Trade Center before the WTC attacks of Sept. 11, according to The Jerusalem Post . He too also fully insured his lease against terrorist attacks and will also be paid billions.

So in regards to 911 we find Israelis involved with many things. Strange wouldn't you say that we don't find Russians, Saudis, Italians, Pakistanis or even Africans involved with events related to 911 as Israelis. Isn't it just coincidental that the people involved just happens to be Israelis.

With all this evidence of Israeli involvement, corrupt U.S. government officials involvement and media complicity in covering and even dropping information that should be pursued and thoroughly investigated I ask the question why, why in the hell is any of this not being investigated? This is a mountain of evidence. Other evidence not discussed but also valid is the many reports showing evidence that the WTC was blown up from within explaining how the buildings fell, no video or stills of any of the hijackers at Logan Airport, how did the U.S. government identify so quickly the identities of the hijackers and was able to fix the blame on OBL just a few hours after the event, the fact that 7 of the hijackers identified are still alive today, the many false reports about terrorists identities like the one of a Pakistani man who never left Pakistan in his life having his picture publicly broadcasted in the media, and I could go on and on.

The only logical conclusion that a reasonable person can arrive at is this: The 9-11 attacks, the anthrax murders, and numerous other foiled terror plots, were planned, orchestrated, financed, carried out, and covered up by the forces of Israel. What other logical explanation can there be?

What we have been told officially about 911 has more holes in it than aged cheese. It just does not add up. Yet serious actions are being taken against innocent Muslims and thousands of lives are being lost and even more are being harassed and persecuted. Why isn't our government investigating the huge pile of evidence pointing to the Israelis and why aren't relations between the U.S. and Israel cooled? Why? Why? Why?

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At Wednesday, September 13, 2006, Blogger lesliemai said...

this reminds me of the pod people who claim a missle or such hit pentagon. and perhaps some gov or organizations make a site or 2 that try to prove a theory like this. then one day a tape will surface show a plane hit pentagon, others will stand up and say perhaps all conspiracy theroy people are lunitic types. one thing is certian all Jews are not Zionist but all Zionists are Jewish !

At Wednesday, September 13, 2006, Blogger qrswave said...

I have to disagree with you leslie, all Zionists are not Jewish - many are Evangelical Christians, or at least call themselves that.

The only thing you can say that all Zionists have in common is their racism, their brutality, and their lies.

And regarding what hit the pentagon - the more important question is 'who was behind it?'

At Wednesday, September 13, 2006, Blogger srknl said...

honestly, all this is getting to confusing for me cause each side seems to have its truths and lies and each side seems to be right and wrong. and since the evidence is all gone (ofcourse we know thanks to whom it is all gone before ever being investigated) i think both sides will keep disproving the other about their theories and hypothesis. and since i myself am a lay person in physics, engineering and demolition sciences, i really don't know whose facts to believe. This in reference to only the fall of the WTC towers, nothing else. Though the fall (pull) of WTC 7 leaves no doubt in my mind about that building and how that was all planned so then why not the other 2 towers ??

anyway, thought you guys might enjoy the following link. it is a written version of the programme that was aired but I am sure if u google the programme name, u will get to see the video on youtube or google or somewhere on the net.

EXCLUSIVE...9/11 Debate: Loose Change Filmmakers vs. Popular Mechanics Editors of "Debunking 9/11 Myths"
AMY GOODMAN, Democracy Now!


At Wednesday, September 13, 2006, Blogger Post American said...

'who was behind it?'

Since the Groundbreaking of the Pentagram was on 9/11/41, and the remodel of wedge 1 was completed on 9/11/01, and the Pentagram was rededicated on 9/11/02 I would say some sick fuck Masons did it!

At Wednesday, September 13, 2006, Blogger Michael Price said...


The reason it's confusing, is there are Zionists on both sides of the argument, deliberately trying to confuse you!

Watch the movie JFK. It leads you away from what really happened, to a phony conspiracy theory. The movies producers, writers and director were all Zionists. The purpose was to cover the real conspiracy (read 'Final Judgement' to get a better idea of what really happened).

The same organization was behind 9-11 as the JFK assasination. I'll give a clue to who they are: they're the ones you can't accuse, or it'll get you in trouble. You can say or write it was organized crime that conspired to kill JFK, but criminals won't harm you for doing it. You can say 9-11 was done by Muslims, and not be in trouble for saying it. You can write it was the CIA behind both, but they won't bother you for writing it. You can write it was the communists, you won't get in trouble. You can even say it was Lyndon Johnson who conspired to kill JFK and President Bush who was behind 9-11, no harm will come to you!

But if you write it was the Zionists...not only will SOT give you a strike with his dull wit, but there may be more serious consequences.

Clues to who was behind 9-11:
The world's largest and richest financial company, Goldman Sachs, which has three floors of the WTC, closed down and told their mostly Jewish employees to stay home that day. Of thousands of Jews that worked in the World Trade Center, surprisingly few died that day, (check the list of names). I used to live in NYC and did a lot of business in the WTC and believe me, there were a LOT of Jews working there. Jews don't usually drive cabs, work at hot-dog stands, work as janitors, firemen or labourers - but they were very well represented among all the attorneys, treasurers, and CFO's in the WTC.

And the Zionists have lots of people in high places to make sure their involvement in 9-11 was covered up. We'll never know ALL the details of what happened that day. But remember the video Loose Change was made by two young Jews - mind you, I'm not accusing them of anything, but keep that in mind.

With everything that's written, it's not easy to find the truth, although some of it is there behind the maze of confusing Zionist BS. I'm not saying everything on Loose Change is BS, but the essential part of the story is not being told.

The questions we must always ask are: What was the motive? Who did 9-11 really benefit?

At Wednesday, September 13, 2006, Blogger lesliemai said...

pity people cant focus on charity and helping the needy instead of bombs and bullets. feeding the hungry instead of building walls, and plotting to decieve. focus more on doing good deeds and thinking about the hereafter.

At Wednesday, September 13, 2006, Blogger srknl said...

Thanks MP,

I always appreciate your comments.

Interesting about how Zionists on both sides of the argument, trying to confuse one because believe me they are really succeeding as far as i am concerned ..... :)

Also, i like the questions you have put forward. I can see what motivated the attacks and i also see who benefits from them and it is definately not OBL or the muslims. I guess i was/am trying to look for something more concrete and substantial to show me who was really behind the attacks. But maybe I should just stick to the questions of motive and benefit because the other proof will never get clear for me.

At Wednesday, September 13, 2006, Blogger Michael Price said...

I just saw an interesting article about Alex Jones. According to this:
His wife is Jewish, he's really a Zionist. He came up with a BS theory that Lyndon Johnson was somehow behind the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty in 1967. He leads the public down a confusing path of BS about 9-11 conspiracy theories.

Lots of other interesting information about Alex Jones in this article:


(July 14 2006 edition)

Title: "Alex Jones is controlled opposition and covers for the Khazar/Ashkenazi/Zionist mafia?"

When we're seeking truth, all roads seem to lead to the Zionists.

At Wednesday, September 13, 2006, Blogger Michael Price said...

By the way the best information, the clearest and best written explanation about 9-11 is in our opening comment here by The Great Revealer: the excellent article by Nashid Abdul-Khaaliq. This is the REAL truth about 9-11, if anyone wants to know it. It wasn't really an "inside job", it was more of a Mossad false flag operation.

Thanks, Great Revealer!

At Wednesday, September 13, 2006, Blogger impeachbusholé said...


I held a double feature at the downtown theater in Rapid City, SD on 9/11/06. 82 people paid for tickets. $600 of the $680 cost of holding the event were recuperated in admission fees and donations.

Please see my poster.

Special thanks to Dustin Mugford.

At Wednesday, September 13, 2006, Blogger impeachbusholé said...

While it may be argued by some that W wasn't a knowing participant, I don't think it can be credibly argued that he has not obfuscated 911 investigation; he most certainly is a knowing participant in the 911 cover up.

Is Bush a Mossad president?

At Wednesday, September 13, 2006, Blogger The QuoMan said...

This article has been plagarised and is almost two years old.

The author that Rense credits as writing the article is Nashid Abdul-Khaaliq. Go to http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=87581&sid=9d7afd801b1d091afdea0bed210212e4 and then scroll down to the post made by Bernard on Wednesday December 1st, 2004 at 8:02 pm. You will discover that Abdul-Khaaliq has done a copy and paste job, added a few paragraphs of his own, re-posted on Rense's site, and claimed credit for the work!

There are also several inaccuracies in the article, notably Netyanyahu's quote which was: "It’s very good.....Well, it’s not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy for Israel." The OBL interview that the article refers to was not for the BBC, it was with the Karachi-based Pakistani newspaper, Ummat. Carol Valentine wass not the interviewer - she is a researcher who posted a transcript of this 2001 interview on her website.

Sorry guys but you've been duped. Shame on you Mr. Abdul-Khaaliq.

At Wednesday, September 13, 2006, Blogger Brook said...

the quoman,

I'd like to be excluded from any group of people you consider duped by that article. He copied an article from rense.com. Rense.com is totally invalid. It's a conspiracy site and nothing more. He has articles about aliens and UFOs. That alone completely invalidates his site. He has a story he wrote about a ridiculous tesla device that some nefarious organization uses to control the world. It's a story about BS. It's totally made up but it's there on his site to mislead people.

First people get a link to a 911 article, or read some article that is accredited to rense.com. Then they go to the main rense.com site and end up falling into a trap. Next thing you know weak minded people are talking about UFOs and 911 in the same conversation making even the benevolent side of the 911 movement look retarded. Then you get videos like this loose change "debate" on democracy now. The popular mechanics guys have to make sure and repeat that dylan is a conspiracy theorist and associating their actions with illogical "conspiracy theorists" and making absurd remarks like "in conspiracy there are no coincidences". Try telling this to the judge the next time you go to court: "in the court room, there are no coincidences".

Rense.com is not a place where you can get good information. It's a place to avoid so as to not be deceived. And it's a place hurting the truth.

For the record I don't support Loose Change or anyone involved in the production. All of the questionable people involved in the 911 movement are pushing Loose Change religiously and almost no other videos. Deborah Simon financed the video. Her family also financed Lee Hamilton from the 911 commission. She's connected to a lot of other totally corrupt people in this movement as well. Anyhow... don't read rense.com with your brain turned off.

At Wednesday, September 13, 2006, Blogger steven andresen said...

It has seemed to me that one of the important puzzles about 9-11 and one of the points that gives the "conspiracy theorists" a lot of credibility to me is the fact that much of the evidence was carted off and the investigations thwarted all before independent investigators could have done much work.

I have thought the difference between vigilantes or a mob armed with pitchforks and torches out after Frankenstein's monster was there being some sort of sanctioned investigation into the "facts of the case." You know, there should be a hanging,...but only if it's done fair and square.

I have thought there's nothing done fair and square here and so the whole thing seems crooked.

The idea that you can't convict them if there's no evidence pointing in their direction is pretty main-stream.

Kennedy's brain was taken. The Towers were removed from ground zero. And, apparently, ballots can be destroyed to cover up the theft, or possible theft, of elections. See here:


for what's happening in Mexico.

At Wednesday, September 13, 2006, Blogger Michael Price said...

The Quoman:
A lot of people have been duped it's true, but not by Mr Abdul-Khaaliq.
It's true that some of his information is taken from the source you mention, but only for the purpose of passing it on to more people, as we have here. The mistake in crediting the article to him was by Jeff Rense, there was no deliberate plagerizing by Mr. Abdul-Khaaliq. If there may be a couple of minor inaccuracies, it doesn't change the fact that most of the article is as close to the truth as you can find.
Although I agree that much that we find on Rense's site is not good information - for example, all the BS about UFO's - this particular article is an excellent one.

Thanks again for posting it, Great Revealer.

Remember: Anyone who writes the truth about Zionists will be discredited. Zionists will attempt to prove that any truthful information about what they've done is inaccurate.
But don't be duped by them.

At Wednesday, September 13, 2006, Blogger lesliemai said...

you made me think qrs and i was able to research abit and found indeed several types of zionism i was ignorant of specifically ,Christian Zionism
General Zionists
Labor Zionism
Reform Zionism aka Progressive Zionism
Religious Zionism aka Mizrachi
Revisionist Zionism.

At Wednesday, September 13, 2006, Blogger Michael Price said...

I just wanted to add: What better place for Zionists to allow the truth about 9-11 to be posted than on Jeff Rense's website? What better way to convince people it's wrong, to make it all seem like something from the minds of the delusional, then have it posted there with all the UFO stories and all the other crackpot stuff?

Sometimes I think nuts like Rense are just actors on the Zionist payroll.

At Thursday, September 14, 2006, Blogger The Great Revealer said...

Michael Price said...

I just wanted to add: What better place for Zionists to allow the truth about 9-11 to be posted than on Jeff Rense's website? What better way to convince people it's wrong, to make it all seem like something from the minds of the delusional, then have it posted there with all the UFO stories and all the other crackpot stuff?

Sometimes I think nuts like Rense are just actors on the Zionist payroll.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MP, I wouldn't be surprised. I tried to give Adolf Hitler the benefit of the doubt, but it's kinda hard to believe he has "such determined hatred" for 'Jews' because he was one. That would not have escaped his attention. It doesn't add to his (Hitler's) credibility that his 'Nazi' (related to AshkeNAZI) party was FINANCED AND SUPPORTED by the Ashkenazis, particularly the most powerful family in the world, the Rothschild (also "Jewish", i.e. Ashkenazi).

Furthermore, MANY (not just a "few", but MANY, MANY) of this top leutenants were "Jewish", of which HITLER HAD NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER WITH --- the most famous of all was Joseph Goebbles.

These facts alone, and especially taken together leaves NO DOUBT that Hitler was their "front man", a figure head. Much like JOSEPH STALIN (the Ashkenazis love the name "Joseph" don't they?!).

Something smells rotten, TERRIBLY ROTTEN. And both you and I know what it is!

At Thursday, September 14, 2006, Blogger beade said...

Maybe Meigs is right -- that every last one of the so-called "conspiracy theories" is a myth.

However, the Kean Commission report is also a conspiracy theory. So why turn a blind eye to that report instead of a jaundiced one?

Watching Meigs in a 5th Anniversary 9/11 Debate with "Loose Change" film producers (aired on Democracy Now!) made Meigs look like the expert medical witness (read: stooge) in a court trial who conveniently backs up the evidence presented by whomever paid him to appear.

Unfortunately for "Loose Change"'s producers, the opportunity to expose Meigs was pissed away by Jason Bermas' "righteous indignation" -- as well as calling Meigs a liar to his face on camera.

Still, as long as Meigs is given an otherwise free ride by the MSM Our Dick will continue to gravel away in his mealy-mouthed scorn for dissent of any kind. We heard Pecker's same fantasies yet gain -- declaring on Sunday's MTP> with Tim Russert...

...that the official conclusions of "Kean" are not only somehow surendipitously true but we should be spending more of our leisure time preparing some kind of Roman triumph for Bush & Cheney -- for no further terrorist attacks occurring on their watch. That is, if we can stop shaking in our boots long enough.

Yep...that's what the Ambassador from Penisylvania said: "no further attacks." That is: unless you count Iraqi insurgents, the Taliban, IEDs, and other munitions killing our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Or simply happen to remember that Pancho Villa and his "Villisto-fascists" have been on the run from the Feds for the last 90 years -- and there's STILL no chance of catching them.

We know all too well that the Federal government has yet to discipline anyone for the lapses of that infamous day. They have, however, prosecuted accused whistleblowers. This despite despite protection assured to Federal whistleblowers spelled out in Federal law. DEspite considerable harrassment and threat
architects and structural engineers, physicists and physicians, seismologists, along with a virtual across-the-board sampler of well-qualified professionals. The same professionals who have more often submitted their findings for peer review than Meigs has. And they are same ones who still ask: how did the attacks happen so quickly and skillfully? It will probably cost some of them their careers.

No one should be persecuted for not accepting the government's version of anything about 9/11. And not just about the events themselves, but also the health problems occurring to rescuers, working people, and inhabitants who returned to lower Manhattan only a few days after the dust started -- but hadn't quite settled. And -- suspiciously -- with the full reassurance of the EPA.

So it's not just about myth de-bunking that makes Meigs smell of foul horseshit. It's Meigs' MSM-approved cherry-picking of the evidence in order to justify every ridiculous scare tactic or act of outright repression made by the Busheviks. The public increasingly sees the Administration as being genuinely as guilty as all Hell -- as well as the hubris in people who get paid to say "so what?"

Inevitably, that's never gonna stop Meigs from lambasting his critics for cherry-picking evidence by -- somewhat ironically -- accusing them of doing the very same thing.

At Friday, September 15, 2006, Blogger ISRAOIL said...

Help ! Just recently, I listened to a radio show from Arizonia (?) and had the two goofs from P.M.
A must hear. Host was fantistic.
Why did WTC fall like pancakes ?
P. M. goofs- stated that they had photos and could not publish them--top secret, of 1/3 of the main floor chunk missing from the debre hitting it.
They made every excuse-- assholes !-one of them is Homehomelands security cousin--Jerk-off
Can someone please post the radio talk show here--? thanks !

At Friday, September 15, 2006, Blogger Poseidon said...

In the above article recently pasted and sent to Rense, there is a quoted paragraph regarding the "magic passport theory", dating back to January 2, 2003 if not earlier.) The original reports held that this was Satam al-Suqami's passport; in later reports it was said to be Mohammed Atta's. It doesn't really matter, since the official theory alleges that both Suqami and Atta were on "Flight AA 11" which was claimed to have hit the North Tower from the north.

If the passport had somehow been ejected from the building and survived relatively unscathed, my analysis concluded that it should have ended up in Liberty Street to the south. Some reports claimed it was found "blocks away", but air resistance would have prevented it from clearing the buildings to the south of Liberty Street.

Vesey Street is the other oft-quoted site of the alleged passport discovery, e.g. as claimed by Wiki. Since the overpressure from the hydrocarbon deflagration would have been insufficient to decelerate the passport from hundreds of miles an hour in a southerly direction to tens of miles an hour in the opposite direction, it would indeed have been necessary for Suqami (or Atta) to have thrown his passport out of the window before they overflew Vesey Street. The scriptwriters had a fifty-fifty chance of correctly matching the hijacker's name with the street where it was supposed to have been found (for any one attempt). It is rather amusing that even after two goes, they blew it both times.

Regarding Jim Meigs and Popular Mechanics, I have corroborating evidence that they are part of a political operation to cover up Zionist crimes. On 6 September 2006 there was a hit on my website from an I.P. address which checks back to Hearst Magazines, New York, the Popular Mechanics publisher. They did a Google search for bollyn + sam + danner, and got on to one of my pages which comes at about tenth position. (That page points out that Sam admitted his story about "witnessing a Global Hawk hitting the Pentagon" was not entirely true - particularly the part about witnessing the object that hit the Pentagon! I have written a more recent page on how Eric Hufschmid, whose half-sister married Rupert Murdoch's son, is a COINTELPRO agent working to split the 911 truth movement. One of his recent tasks was to try to prise Christopher Bollyn away from American Free Press.)

So the next day, Jim Meigs went on the Frank Whalen show to "debunk the conspiracy theorists".

Hence, Popular Mechanics - with its 25-year-old online editor and "senior" researcher Benjamin Chertoff who is the cousin of Michael Chertoff - exhibits this clear tendency not to focus on the science as might be expected for such a magazine. Rather, the staff are actively looking for straw men like the Danner hoax that can easily be debunked.


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